The Positive Brexit Thread

[Bill 1,788]

7 hours ago, paul moy said:

Of course we stick to EU standards when we export. That is normal for any country we export to throughout the world as companies export to the requirements that the importing company/country requires. As long as it does not restrict our ability to export to different standards outside of the EU it is a non-issue. 

Fish become more and more under our control over the next 5.5 years as we reduce the EU's entitlement and grow our decimated industry.  That is fair imo and in theory we could in time take back 100%.  The main thing is that we are now in control and can rebuild our industry.

as clueless as Swindo

it is about how the good is made, not necessarily what it is - as with US unsafe food

if it is simply about "companies export to the requirements that the importing company/country requires." then why does the US not adapt some of it's farming methods to suit EU requirements ?

will now the UK reduce the health standards of some of it's farming methods to be able to export to the US ?

 

the fact is, like handcrank etc. you simply post misrepresentations/lies so as to avoid being shown to be wrong - as your purpose on here is to 'have a bit of sport' * rather than engage in reasoned discussion

hence the contradictory sh it you regularly post on here

* your words

Edited December 26, 2020 by Bill

[littleyellowbirdie 2,546]

21 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

I haven't had time to read the 1000+ page deal agreement, but I've heard it doesn't cover the services industries particularly well?

Hope I'm wrong

Service industries aren't covered, but that's not really a surprise. I have to say that the fact that goods are completely tariff free is a hell of a surprise though. 

As you say, it's a very complicated agreement. We were always going to be losing in our commerce with the EU in this. What remains to be seen is whether the gains we can make elsewhere exceed the losses here. Only time will answer that question.

[Bill 1,788]

10 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Service industries aren't covered, but that's not really a surprise. I have to say that the fact that goods are completely tariff free is a hell of a surprise though. 

As you say, it's a very complicated agreement. We were always going to be losing in our commerce with the EU in this. What remains to be seen is whether the gains we can make elsewhere exceed the losses here. Only time will answer that question. so far unexplained

The EU sells us a helluva lot of physical items - so no restrictions apply

The UK sells the EU a helluva lot of services, so new restrictions now apply

not that difficult really

Save paying for an ST at CR and stand outside...........guess what ?

 

“The result of the deal is that the European Union retains all of its current advantages in trading, particularly with goods, and the U.K. loses all of its current advantages in the trade for services,” said Tom Kibasi, the former director of the Institute for Public Policy Research, a research institute. “The outcome of this trade negotiation is precisely what happens with most trade deals: The larger party gets what it wants and the smaller party rolls over.”

who would have thought that 😂

Edited December 26, 2020 by Bill

[Well b back 3,203]

35 minutes ago, paul moy said:

If I hear or read the words, 'appear',  'should', 'would', 'maybe', then I shut down as most of it is just fearmongering. The mainstream media having been using those words every day for years.  None of us know for sure what will happen, but thankfully, the majority viewpoint WILL be that we are moving in the correct direction for the country to be independent and free of unwelcome interference. 

We can now make our own unilateral decisions if we wish. Previously, we had to refer to EU rules and fear EU punishment. We were previously punished by almost 2 billion pounds for having a good economy and higher GDP under Cameron, if you remember.   The EU is full of crazy rules and we are now out and free !!!! 

As always that avoids a simple question, why every time something does not agree with your views is it fake news ? As soon as you say those words I know you have just lied. All I am simply asking is why is anything you don’t like fake news.

 

[Bill 1,788]

2 minutes ago, Well b back said:

As always that avoids a simple question, why every time something does not agree with your views is it fake news ? As soon as you say those words I know you have just lied. All I am simply asking is why is anything you don’t like fake news.

because this troll* is only here to stir the sh it - it should be obvious by now 🙄

otherwise, elsewhere we have a concise rebuttal of the crap brexiteers have been spouting about tariff free trade

"In promising that there were “no non-tariff barriers” to selling goods after Brexit, he ignored the tens of millions of customs declarations, health assessments and other checks that businesses will now be responsible for."

so as forecast

more cost, more red tape and delay - in a stark contradiction to the lies told by Leave

* irrespective of what name he posts under

 

[paul moy 235]

17 minutes ago, Well b back said:

As always that avoids a simple question, why every time something does not agree with your views is it fake news ? As soon as you say those words I know you have just lied. All I am simply asking is why is anything you don’t like fake news.

 

News is only news if it is fact. Opinion is not news, simples, thus Fake News !!

[Herman 9,756]

Brexit is based purely on people's opinions rather than facts. It was based on bollox spouted by journalists and lapped up by idiots like you. 

[Well b back 3,203]

7 minutes ago, paul moy said:

News is only news if it is fact. Opinion is not news, simples, thus Fake News !!

???

So you are now switching again, anything that fits your opinion is fact, anything that does not fit your opinion is just opinion and fake news ?

 

 

[paul moy 235]

7 minutes ago, Herman said:

Brexit is based purely on people's opinions rather than facts. It was based on bollox spouted by journalists and lapped up by idiots like you. 

Nope.  Brexit is FACT  !!!  😎

[Well b back 3,203]

15 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Nope.  Brexit is FACT  !!!  😎

A no deal was opinion ?

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

To be honest, as a Remainer, I don't know what this will bring for me and my family.

If it is a success then I am only going to retain the status quo. As I have been told we are leaving to regain our independence, make our own laws, etc. Basically, stop immigration.

If it is a failure then I stand to lose financially. Except the architects of Leave are well cushioned not to lose out financially.

If its a failure, the UK will slip further behind Germany and France, two nations within the EU. So is this just a jealousy idea that we are desperate to be the kings of Europe?

I hope to goodness it is a success. I may never see the benefit as a septegenarian if it is. Even the most adamant leavers have said there will be at least short term pain.

But from now on Jools, Moy, RTB, Swindon, you have nobody left to blame. You wanted it. You have it. Don't blame Brown, Barnier, IMF, immigration, Covid for any problems we incur.

Thing is, I have this idea in my head that you will be the first to moan and blame.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

6 hours ago, Well b back said:

Now I am no expert, I just wanted a deal as Sonyc will tell you, and you and your supporters demanded a no deal, however those that do seem to be experts ( the political press ) seem to think that what May had was far better as a deal, so would love to know if they are right and we have just gone round in circles to achieve something worse, purely for somebody’s political aims.

Theresa May was an idiot and yet she still managed to get a much better deal than Johnson.

Let's focus, for example, on one of the Brexiteers' key demands - to 'control  our own borders'. Well whilst we were in the EU we controlled all our own borders except for one - our only land border with the EU which was totally uncontrolled.

Now as result of Johnson deals we still control all our own borders except for one - our only land border with the EU which is still totally uncontroleled and we have signed a second international treaty to the effect that it will remain uncontrolled.

But, and its one absolutely humungous but, we have also accepted that we will implement an internal border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

So the one border that we didn't originally control we still don't control but we are obliged to implement an internal border between NI and the rest of the UK - this is Johnson's version of taking back control - this is how bad this deal is!

Theresa May famously told the British Parliament that "no UK prime minister could ever agree" to a border in the Irish Sea. Boris Johnson later told a Democratic Unionist Party conference that "no British Conservative government could or should sign up to any such arrangement".

Nevertheless Johnson, desperate for a deal, any deal, has done exactly that and followed it up with a trade deal even poorer than the one the EU offered Theresa May and which she rejected as unacceptable - that is how poor Johnson's deal is.

[Bill 1,788]

Control our on borders - absolutely nonsense from the thickos

EU citizens are free to enter the UK and stay for 180 days - though it is only 90 days the other way round for UK citizens. The UK is not applying customs checks for at least another 6 months either, and these naughty foreigners will not even need a passport, a national ID card will be enough to enter the UK,

So what is the UK doing to stop naughty foreigners coming to the UK and staying.........well err, reducing the info the EU previously provided about EU criminals *

Well at least it will be easier to remove refused asylum seekers - err no, again. As the UK has left the Dublin Regulation it will now be harder to send asylum seekers back to the country they came from.

As said elsewhere brexiteers are rather like the man who objected to people climbing over his fence - he burnt it down, so they wouldn't have anything to climb over.

 

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by Bill

[Bill 1,788]

Oh dear, I know I shouldn't laugh because this is going to fck our country over, but

But he warned that “cooperation will be still be slower/more clunky than now” and raised the alarm over the loss of real-time access to the European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS)

Similarly, the UK will be shut out of the SIS II database, which raises alerts over suspected terrorists and organised criminals, and will have to rely on slower information-sharing after requests.

The UK will also lose the ability to initiate joint investigations through Europol and Eurojust, regressing to “a more arms-length role in these two bodies where UK has been a leader”, Lord Ricketts said.

And, with the loss of the European Arrest Warrant, EU states will no longer have to extradite their nationals to the UK,

probably not the brightest idea when you want to check who is coming into your country

it gets even worse for the thick righties, as what's left will be removed if

"The 1,255-page text of the Brexit deal, published on Saturday, says the security aspects of it would be “terminated on account of the United Kingdom or a member state having denounced the European Convention on Human Rights”.

Lord Ricketts, who chairs the Lords committee that has been investigating the loss of law enforcement and security capability, said: “It all depends on the commission making a positive data adequacy ruling within 4-month window.

“And all this cooperation can be suspended if UK fails to respect fundamental rights as set out in the ECHR.”  😂

I wonder what else will come out in the next few days, beside the fact that so much of this 'deal' is subject to further negotiation. No wonder fat boy delayed this as long as he could so as not to give the UK Parliament the time to study the wording, and it's implications. Perhaps he will try to close down Parliament, as he did before, so as to block the lawful democratic process once again.

 

[sonyc 5,511]

@Bill"wonder what else will come out in the next few days, beside the fact that so much of this 'deal' is subject to further negotiation".

It's "full of holes"......

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-small-print-shows-boris-23224553?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

 

 

[chicken 2,624]

There is also a new piece in the Athletic which is an interview with the NCFC head of recruitment. He explains how much more difficult it will be to find the next Buendia post Brexit.

I said at the time that I'm not sure how you can support modern football as it is and Brexit as the two don't really go hand in hand. Suddenly, players who have enough international caps will have more of a premium to British clubs. The likes of Buendia without any international caps and because we are outside of the EU will be virtually impossible to sign.

It used to be that you could rely on nations more relaxed about immigration and allowing players to move there to play football. There are a number of examples out there, some even becoming citizens and representing the nation they have moved to. Costa for Spain for example.

Our set up's specialist knowledge of German football has been somewhat cut off too. The fear expressed in the piece being that this will result in migration upwards of players further down the football pyramid. Now die hard nationalists will cheer and say "brilliant more British footballers at a higher level". However that will stop at the premier league and any teams with decent finances in the Championship. It'll also potentially mean a drop in quality.

At a time when the EFL is looking into ways of making the rights to game more attractive to find better deals, it's not great.

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

4 hours ago, paul moy said:

News is only news if it is fact. Opinion is not news, simples, thus Fake News !!

I will provide a fact. Harrods contributes as much as to the UK economy as the entire UK fishing industry.

[Bill 1,788]

10 minutes ago, sonyc said:

@Bill"wonder what else will come out in the next few days, beside the fact that so much of this 'deal' is subject to further negotiation".

It's "full of holes"......

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-small-print-shows-boris-23224553?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=shareba

The sad reality is that it was always going to be this way.

The nonsense that there are some great treasures to be found if only the UK could set set sail on the ocean blue with a swashbuckling Errol Flynn type character as it's captain, plundering the Spanish Main was always a nonsensical yarn

The bulk of the UK's trade is with it's neighbours, Just as it is with most other countries around the world. That's why trading blocs are ALL regional. Cars assembled in the UK are sold in the EU. Likewise fresh produce, and live stock.

The idea that 'new' markets the other side of the world could be found was always absurdity taken to its ultimate level.

After four decades of removing barriers, costs, regulation and barriers we are now to see all those put back The easy access for UK holidaymakers, and travellers will be gone. Just as the ability to live and retire in the EU.

There are no other EU countries taking this blindfolded leap off the cliff - as Farage once claimed. The Germans are not wanting to put up the Berlin wall. The Spanish are not wanting to return to the isolationist days of Franco. Nor the Irish to the pre Good Friday days of hostilities.

This dismal and embarrassing surrender will merely lead to greater discontent. not only those who long objected to losing the benefits of being part of the EU, but the thick who will gradually learn what they have lost.

Part one of a three part tragedy has just ended.

[Well b back 3,203]

1 hour ago, sonyc said:

@Bill"wonder what else will come out in the next few days, beside the fact that so much of this 'deal' is subject to further negotiation".

It's "full of holes"......

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-small-print-shows-boris-23224553?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

 

 

Somebody else saying it’s a 4 year deal.

[Jools 584]

Have any of us opining read the full 1246-page text of the agreement yet? The answer to that is obviously no...

I'm up to 500 pages in..

If any of you would like the a copy please contact us .

[Jools 584]

2 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

I will provide a fact. Harrods contributes as much as to the UK economy as the entire UK fishing industry.

So if the fishing industry is so small to be concerned about, as you Remainacs have previously suggested over and again, why in * name are you using it as an argument against the current UK/EU deal?

Will you Lefty prima donnas ever make sense and/or be contented?

Edited December 27, 2020 by Jools

[Bill 1,788]

17 minutes ago, Well b back said:

Somebody else saying it’s a 4 year deal.

There is

After four years, the whole deal could be terminated if either the UK or the EU believes it is not working

The entire trade deal can also be reopened if the two sides cannot resolve a serious dispute

Individual chapters of the trade agreement can also be reopened if there are disputes

So in four years time the EU can pull the plug - not the best of positions to be in for a supposedly 'free' country.

Rather like a convicted murderer out on licence. One straying from the straight and narrow (EU regs), and back inside you go.

Not the nonsense peddled to the thickos a day or so back

Heavy costs on customs. the need to abide by the Human Rights Act, a non UK arbitration service (ECJ) and the EU still able to fish in UK waters.

I do hope there is nothing else to come out.......................😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Jools 584]

4 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Theresa May was an idiot and yet she still managed to get a much better deal than Johnson.

🤣

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

9 hours ago, Jools said:

So if the fishing industry is so small to be concerned about, as you Remainacs have previously suggested over and again, why in * name are you using it as an argument against the current UK/EU deal?

Will you Lefty prima donnas ever make sense and/or be contented?

I never have. You will not find one post from me over these last four years taking fishing remotely seriously in terms of the negotiations/deal.  If I have ever mentioned fishing it has only been to point out how much of a sideshow it is.

[Herman 9,756]

16 hours ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

I haven't had time to read the 1000+ page deal agreement, but I've heard it doesn't cover the services industries particularly well?

Hope I'm wrong

Judging from what I have read it doesn't seem to cover financial services.

 

[Herman 9,756]

7 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

I never have. You will not find one post from me over these last four years taking fishing remotely seriously in terms of the negotiations/deal.  If I have ever mentioned fishing it has only been to point out how much of a sideshow it is.

I think the fish argument has been raised so many times as it perfectly embodies the ridiculousness of Brexit.😉

[Van wink 2,994]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948093/TCA_SUMMARY_PDF.pdf

30 page summary for those interested

[Herman 9,756]

The Observer gives the deal a thumbs up of approval.😉

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/the-observer-view-on-the-brexit-deal

[paul moy 235]

16 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Service industries aren't covered, but that's not really a surprise. I have to say that the fact that goods are completely tariff free is a hell of a surprise though. 

As you say, it's a very complicated agreement. We were always going to be losing in our commerce with the EU in this. What remains to be seen is whether the gains we can make elsewhere exceed the losses here. Only time will answer that question.

Goods are tariff free as the EU have more interest in that than we have as they sell much more to us. Hardly a surprise as it would have cost them a fortune and would have been a net financial benefit of billions to us.

Also, on the question of export documentation, for similar reasons I can see this streamlined very soon as the EU has a major interest in reducing trade friction and they will have to produce a lot more documentation than we do, and they know themselves that it is not really necessary as we are aligned by default, and nothing but spiteful politicking by them in making us appear to suffer for Brexit. They suffer more.......  🤣

 

[paul moy 235]

13 minutes ago, Herman said:

The Observer gives the deal a thumbs up of approval.😉

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/dec/27/the-observer-view-on-the-brexit-deal

Haha, they don't like to accept they were wrong. The deal was done quickly, in nine months.