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2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

It is a Brexit thing.  We do not have to wait for EU approval which we would have had to without Brexit and that was stated on BBC radio five live this morning.  

You are aware it is manufactured in the EU (Belgium) ?

 

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2 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

You are aware it is manufactured in the EU (Belgium) ?

 

Indeed, but that is irrelevant.  It is ironic that we are approved before any other EU country though due to Brexit and our ability now to bypass EU rules.

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33 minutes ago, paul moy said:

LOL... it is because we would have had to wait for EMHRA approval if we were still in the EU.    Comprendez ??

Due to EU bureaucracy other EU countries have to wait while the EU authority goes through its routines.   

LOL ...You have simply overlooked that there is no proof whatsoever that this is to do with red-tape. Maybe the MHRA have greater expertise, maybe lower standards. The list goes on of possible explanations. The USA is not a part of the EU as far as I know (do you know differently?), nor are huge numbers of other countries in the world, yet we have still become the first country to approve a vaccine. So your putative causal connection to Brexit and the release from "EU bureaucracy" is utterly spurious. Comprendez??

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1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

We're the first country in the WORLD to roll it out. 

Not a Brexit thing.

More ill-informed nonsense from Paul Moy.

It's sad that you have to tarnish such good news with you petty stupidity.

you never waste an opportunity to criticise, one could almost be forgiven for thinking you are a little envious

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20 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

you never waste an opportunity to criticise, one could almost be forgiven for thinking you are a little envious

I'm seriously concerned that you don't have the ability to read and understand what people say. Where does he "criticise" the approval of the vaccine? and where does he display "envy"? Indeed! he does the very opposite.

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Is this really the best our Brexity chums can do - the regulatory approval dates for the various vaccines? I suppose they need to find some almost meaningless straw to clutch at to justify their lack of judgement. If it was a race we already lost to Russia and China. All countries will expedite approvals this month for Pfizer, Moderna and Oxford if possible.

EU will also approve the vaccines this month December.

The real question and not one for churlish comments is when will the vaccine(s) be generally available for the masses.

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

It is a Brexit thing.  We do not have to wait for EU approval which we would have had to without Brexit and that was stated on BBC radio five live this morning.  

Who approves drugs in the UK?
In the UK, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is the body responsible for ensuring that drugs work and are acceptably safe. Although most licence applications are done on a Europe-wide basis through the EMA, the MHRA can consider applications for licences for use in the UK.
 
The MHRA has always been able to independently approve licences for use in the UK.
 
Not a Brexit thing.
 
 
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Not surprised whatsoever with the Brexit cabal on here to read such posts. Yet I ought to be. Put them all together and they may scrape one person's average IQ. This will sound very derogatory I realise but how low does one have to go to support one's world view? Perhaps I'm being far too harsh?

As someone quite willing to be wrong, to be influenced by the good reasoned argument of another, I just don't understand this kind of jingoism, nationalism. It's more akin to a cult or a really restrictive religion. Immature too. 

No......on reflection, my view stands on my comment about IQ.

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2 hours ago, paul moy said:

Indeed, but that is irrelevant.  It is ironic that we are approved before any other EU country though due to Brexit and our ability now to bypass EU rules.

Who to believe? Desperate Brexiteer looking for at least one positive from the Brexsh*ite fiasco? Or the Chief Executive of the MHRA who approved the vaccine? That's a toughie!

Covid vaccine: German ambassador to UK rejects ministers’ claims Pfizer approval is win for Britain (msn.com)

"However, Dr June Raine, chief executive of the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) which approved the vaccine, contradicted Mr Hancock’s claims.

Speaking at a Downing Street press conference, Dr Raine made clear that the MHRA were working under EU rules and procedures and were not able to go any faster because of Brexit."

 

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1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:
Who approves drugs in the UK?
In the UK, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) is the body responsible for ensuring that drugs work and are acceptably safe. Although most licence applications are done on a Europe-wide basis through the EMA, the MHRA can consider applications for licences for use in the UK.
 
The MHRA has always been able to independently approve licences for use in the UK.
 
Not a Brexit thing.
 
 

The EU will not start checking the vaccine data until January (IDS on Talksport) due to their schlerotic bureaucracy............   Brexit enhances our flexibilty by allowing us to be in control of our own affairs at last. 

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2 minutes ago, paul moy said:

The EU will not start checking the vaccine data until January (IDS on Talksport) due to their schlerotic bureaucracy............   Brexit enhances our flexibilty by allowing us to be in control of our own affairs at last. 

You may not be immune to the virus but you certainly seem immune to the evidence. Could you explain why we should believe you rather than the Chief Executive of the MHRA, Dr June Raine?

"But when she was asked at a 10 Downing Street press conference whether Brexit had made any difference to the speed at which the MHRA was able to work, Dr Raine stressed the fact that the regulator is still working under the terms of EU law.

“We have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January,” she said.

“Our speed, or our progress, has been totally dependent on the availability of data in our rolling review and the rigorous assessment and independent advice we have received.

“So I hope that clarifies the point about the European relationship."

Coronavirus: Regulator rejects Matt Hancock’s claim that UK got vaccine first because of Brexit (msn.com)

 

And I'm afraid you are totally wrong in the preposterous claim that:  "The EU will not start checking the vaccine data until January (IDS on Talksport) due to their schlerotic bureaucracy"

Not only have they been reviewing the data contemporaneously with the on-going research as the MHRA have done, they plan to approve the vaccines on December 29th.

EU plans vaccines as regulator sets approval deadline (medicalxpress.com)

"European countries were on Tuesday given a clear timeframe for the start of their vaccination programmes after the bloc's medicines regulator said it would decide by December 29 whether to grant emergency approval for the first COVID-19 jabs."

According to your claims that means the approval of the vaccines will come at least 3 days before they even begin reviewing the data. A somewhat unusual ordering of the scientific process don't you think?

Perhaps you would be better served getting your news from a respected news site rather than from the rabid Brexiteer IDS speaking on Talksport.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, horsefly said:

You may not be immune to the virus but you certainly seem immune to the evidence. Could you explain why we should believe you rather than the Chief Executive of the MHRA, Dr June Raine?

"But when she was asked at a 10 Downing Street press conference whether Brexit had made any difference to the speed at which the MHRA was able to work, Dr Raine stressed the fact that the regulator is still working under the terms of EU law.

“We have been able to authorise the supply of this vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January,” she said.

“Our speed, or our progress, has been totally dependent on the availability of data in our rolling review and the rigorous assessment and independent advice we have received.

“So I hope that clarifies the point about the European relationship."

Coronavirus: Regulator rejects Matt Hancock’s claim that UK got vaccine first because of Brexit (msn.com)

 

And I'm afraid you are totally wrong in the preposterous claim that:  "The EU will not start checking the vaccine data until January (IDS on Talksport) due to their schlerotic bureaucracy"

Not only have they been reviewing the data contemporaneously with the on-going research as the MHRA have done, they plan to approve the vaccines on December 29th.

EU plans vaccines as regulator sets approval deadline (medicalxpress.com)

"European countries were on Tuesday given a clear timeframe for the start of their vaccination programmes after the bloc's medicines regulator said it would decide by December 29 whether to grant emergency approval for the first COVID-19 jabs."

According to your claims that means the approval of the vaccines will come at least 3 days before they even begin reviewing the data. A somewhat unusual ordering of the scientific process don't you think?

Perhaps you would be better served getting your news from a respected news site rather than from the rabid Brexiteer IDS speaking on Talksport.

 

 

It will be faster than that I expect (the 29th is a 'deadline'' - Germany for instance expects to start actually vaccinating people mid December. BioNtech is after all German.

However all of this is all nonsense for the truly childish - the thing that is important is to do it right and get it physically rolled out.

I did wonder if one side effect was Brexiters singing 'Ode to Joy' after using an EU originated vaccine.......

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3 hours ago, horsefly said:

I'm seriously concerned that you don't have the ability to read and understand what people say. Where does he "criticise" the approval of the vaccine? and where does he display "envy"? Indeed! he does the very opposite.

it goes for you as well !

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1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said:

It will be faster than that I expect (the 29th is a 'deadline'' - Germany for instance expects to start actually vaccinating people mid December. BioNtech is after all German.

However all of this is all nonsense for the truly childish - the thing that is important is to do it right and get it physically rolled out.

I did wonder if one side effect was Brexiters singing 'Ode to Joy' after using an EU originated vaccine.......

Haha! maybe they should ensure that the needle for the vaccine leaves behind a pattern of 12 stars in a circle.

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2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

it goes for you as well !

As usual you don't answer the questions put to you because you're too thick to recognise your own mind-numbingly gross non-sequiturs.

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43 minutes ago, paul moy said:

The EU will not start checking the vaccine data until January (IDS on Talksport) due to their schlerotic bureaucracy............   Brexit enhances our flexibilty by allowing us to be in control of our own affairs at last. 

You're an idiot.

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15 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

You're an idiot.

But will be a vaccinated idiot long before the EU idiots by the look of things😉

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As the inevitable happens and gammons everywhere furiously explode, wondering where it all went wrong and who to blame (this time), here's a useful guide for them from the Daily Mash. 🤣

Five reasons why Brexit chaos will be your fault, Brexiters

WITH Brexit likely to bring hardship and disruption, the obvious people to blame are the EU and Remoaners. But could it actually be the fault of Leave voters? Here’s why.

You didn’t like the idea of Belgian bureaucrats fiddling with our bananas

Which was actually dull legislation for food retailers similar to that which makes the vegetables in Asda look appealing and not like little gnarled goblins. Bananas of any shape will now be available, but don’t plan on buying any because they’ll have rotted in a lorry.

You thought the EU was holding back British **** and enterprise

It’s interesting that typical Brexiters show zero enterprise, but then if you can’t even explain what you DID vote for, your chances of being the next Steve Jobs are small. Oh well, your kids will enjoy the exciting career choices of fruit-picking or remote-working from a call centre in Delhi.

Your brains literally shrank from reading The Daily Mail

This has not been 100 per cent scientifically proven, but it seems likely that too much Mail/Express/Telegraph nonsense causes your brain to atrophy to the size and density of an ossified walnut. 

You thought leaving the EU meant we could immediately deport all of ‘them’

We all know what ‘Taking back control’ means really, don’t we? Droning on about ‘sovereignty’ must be the most complicated way of saying ‘There’s too many foreigns’ in human history.

You looked at Nigel Farage and Mark Francois and alarm bells were not immediately ringing

The likes of Farage, Arron Banks, Francois, Alexander Johnson et al immediately scream ‘dodgy grifters’ to anyone with an IQ above 80. How do you manage to clamber in and out of your trousers and dresses every day?

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To be fair I am not quite sure why certain parties like Mogg are claiming this is due to Brexit. This was all shown on a different thread about 6 weeks ago and our regulations for emergency use ( like any other member ) has nothing to do with EU. With misinformation about vaccines quite rightly being removed from social media a bit naughty to then use the vaccine to put misinformation about something else.

Did Brexit really speed up the vaccine approval?

Health Secretary Matt Hancock earlier said that Brexit allowed the UK to approve a Covid vaccine more quickly than European countries.

“We do all the same safety checks and the same processes, but we have been able to speed up how they’re done because of Brexit," said Matt Hancock.

Meanwhile the Leader of the Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, tweeted to point out: “We could only approve this vaccine so quickly because we have left the EU”.

But the European Medicines Agency (EMA) says any EU country could have done the same thing. 

Under EU rules, a vaccine must be authorised by the EMA but individual countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine for temporary use in their domestic market.

Britain is still subject to those EU rules during the post-Brexit transition period which runs until the end of the year.

The UK’s own medicines regulator, the MHRA, confirmed this in a statementlast month.

The MHRA is well-regarded as world leader in the regulation of medicine, and it has certainly chosen to move faster with vaccine approval than the EMA.

But it didn’t have to rely on Brexit to do that.

For example the European Commission confirmed on Monday that Hungary - an EU member - could use a Russian Covid vaccine in its domestic market if it chose to do so.

The EMA says it is using a slightly slower method for licencing than the UK which it considers to be “the most appropriate regulatory mechanism for use in the current pandemic emergency, to grant all EU citizens’ access to a vaccine and to underpin mass vaccination campaigns.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Well b back said:

To be fair I am not quite sure why certain parties like Mogg are claiming this is due to Brexit. This was all shown on a different thread about 6 weeks ago and our regulations for emergency use ( like any other member ) has nothing to do with EU. With misinformation about vaccines quite rightly being removed from social media a bit naughty to then use the vaccine to put misinformation about something else.

Did Brexit really speed up the vaccine approval?

Health Secretary Matt Hancock earlier said that Brexit allowed the UK to approve a Covid vaccine more quickly than European countries.

“We do all the same safety checks and the same processes, but we have been able to speed up how they’re done because of Brexit," said Matt Hancock.

Meanwhile the Leader of the Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, tweeted to point out: “We could only approve this vaccine so quickly because we have left the EU”.

But the European Medicines Agency (EMA) says any EU country could have done the same thing. 

Under EU rules, a vaccine must be authorised by the EMA but individual countries can use an emergency procedure that allows them to distribute a vaccine for temporary use in their domestic market.

Britain is still subject to those EU rules during the post-Brexit transition period which runs until the end of the year.

The UK’s own medicines regulator, the MHRA, confirmed this in a statementlast month.

The MHRA is well-regarded as world leader in the regulation of medicine, and it has certainly chosen to move faster with vaccine approval than the EMA.

But it didn’t have to rely on Brexit to do that.

For example the European Commission confirmed on Monday that Hungary - an EU member - could use a Russian Covid vaccine in its domestic market if it chose to do so.

The EMA says it is using a slightly slower method for licencing than the UK which it considers to be “the most appropriate regulatory mechanism for use in the current pandemic emergency, to grant all EU citizens’ access to a vaccine and to underpin mass vaccination campaigns.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly.

The fact that some think the speed of emergency vaccine approval in any country has anything to do with Brexit only highlights the pure foolishness, shallowness of their position. It bodes extremely badly for all other 'Brexit' decisions.

Perhaps Brexit will make the trains run on time next year, or keep the seasons turning.

 

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this sounds a bit fishy

"Boris Johnson has lowered his Brexit demands on Brussels by asking for up to 60% of catches in UK waters back from EU fishing fleets but the gap between the negotiators remains wide."

" On the “level playing field” provisions, common ground is slowly being found, with the UK offering greater flexibility in recent days over a mechanism to ensure neither side can gain a competitive advantage by deregulating over time."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/02/brexit-uk-has-lowered-demands-on-fish-catches-says-eu

I wonder how the Daily Express will spin that, so it is not another climbdown from the UK ?

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3 minutes ago, Bill said:

this sounds a bit fishy

"Boris Johnson has lowered his Brexit demands on Brussels by asking for up to 60% of catches in UK waters back from EU fishing fleets but the gap between the negotiators remains wide."

" On the “level playing field” provisions, common ground is slowly being found, with the UK offering greater flexibility in recent days over a mechanism to ensure neither side can gain a competitive advantage by deregulating over time."

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/02/brexit-uk-has-lowered-demands-on-fish-catches-says-eu

I wonder how the Daily Express will spin that, so it is not another climbdown from the UK ?

Is the UK capable of catching that amount?

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