The Positive Brexit Thread

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

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16 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

Just another example of Boris being incompetent 

[SwindonCanary 455]

 

[Herman 9,698]

Jesus Swindo, get off YouTube. It's poisoning your mind. 

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2 minutes ago, Herman said:

Jesus Swindo, get off YouTube. It's poisoning your mind. 

Mind 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[SwindonCanary 455]

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/boris-johnson-repeats-threat-to-walk-away-from-eu-talks-1.4381174

[SwindonCanary 455]

poisoned mind !   🤣

 

 

[Surfer 1,547]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-trade-talks-balance-latest-boris-johnson-end-negotiations-friday-720909?ITO=newsnow

So Boris is about to cave. Because he knows he's totally screwed with Trump trailing in the polls so badly, there will be no US trade agreement to bail him out of the hole he has dug. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

38 minutes ago, Surfer said:

So Boris is about to cave. Because he knows he's totally screwed with Trump trailing in the polls so badly, there will be no US trade agreement to bail him out of the hole he has dug. 

I THINK YOU READ  IT WRONG still I forgive you coz you get a lot more wrong !

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-trade-talks-balance-latest-boris-johnson-end-negotiations-friday-720909?ITO=newsnow

Edited October 14, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[BigFish 1,986]

12 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

I THINK YOU READ  IT WRONG still I forgive you coz you get a lot more wrong !

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-trade-talks-balance-latest-boris-johnson-end-negotiations-friday-720909?ITO=newsnow

That was yesterday, still waiting for Johnson to walk but all the signs are he has folded again

[Surfer 1,547]

Flip Flop Fold, sums him up. Just like he’s just flip flopped over Manchester lock down, he will flip, flop, fold here too. Every time he faces opposition he can’t simply ignore because it’s coming from within his own party, he will eventually fold. 
 

Just like his American mentor. But only after a lot of incoherent hot air, waffle about staying the course, the vital importance of protecting our national sovereignty, maybe some fire up the base words about being stabbed in the back by (insert name), and of course It is all someone else’s fault or nobody could have negotiated a better deal, but fold he will. You can bet on that. 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Surfer

[SwindonCanary 455]

EU leaders are not yet all on the same page when it comes to how much they should give up or give in to get a deal.

Brussels keeps calling on the UK to make concessions but a successful outcome will require compromises on both sides.

Will France's Emmanuel Macron relinquish his hard-line position about keeping current fishing quotas in UK waters? He'll have to, to get a UK deal.

Will Germany's Angela Merkel give way on some demands on competition regulations (aka the level playing field) yet still grant the UK zero tariff, zero quota access to the single market?

EU leaders must agree all this amongst themselves and it won't be straightforward.

[Herman 9,698]

There's still something about Katya Adler.😉

[Herman 9,698]

The Farage Garage.

 

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,180]

More news from Kent, The toilet of England

These won't spread COVID-19, at all, no sir 

If it really does end up taking 2 days to get through Kent, does anyone know if other ports have the capacity to take on more? I'm thinking places like Hull, Immingham, Felixstowe, London Gateway, Southampton. These all have reasonable links to the Midlands and/or the North 

Edited October 16, 2020 by How I Wrote Elastic Man
Spelling error

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,180]

20 minutes ago, Herman said:

The Farage Garage.

 

At least there is now a Public consultation

Even if it is 4 months after work has started 🤣

Some good news, it's my old firm doing the job, at least some of my mates have work

[Jools 584]

6 hours ago, BigFish said:

That was yesterday, still waiting for Johnson to walk but all the signs are he has folded again

Well, smallfry, David Frost's post to Twitter an hour ago suggests that tomorrow, Boris will go with his 7 September statement:

 

Here is the 7 September statement:   https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-words-on-eu-negotiations-7-september-2020

• there needs to be an agreement by the time of the EU Council meeting - a day later is de minimis
• no sense in thinking about timelines beyond that point.
• if no free trade agreement move on.
• we will have full control over our laws, our rules, and our fishing waters - a constant feature since 2016
• we will have the freedom to do trade deals with every country in the world - any EU designed state aid provision is intended to scupper that freedom
• we will be ready to find sensible accommodations on practical issues such as flights, lorry transport, or scientific cooperation, if the EU wants to do that - reciprocal arrangements and obligations should have been at the starting point for any agreement not an alternative in lieu of one .
• we cannot and will not compromise on the fundamentals of what it means to be an independent country

 

 

No evidence of any backtracking there, smallfry.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Jools

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54 minutes ago, Jools said:

Well, smallfry, David Frost's post to Twitter an hour ago suggests that tomorrow, Boris will go with his 7 September statement:

 

Here is the 7 September statement:   https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-words-on-eu-negotiations-7-september-2020

• there needs to be an agreement by the time of the EU Council meeting - a day later is de minimis
• no sense in thinking about timelines beyond that point.
• if no free trade agreement move on.
• we will have full control over our laws, our rules, and our fishing waters - a constant feature since 2016
• we will have the freedom to do trade deals with every country in the world - any EU designed state aid provision is intended to scupper that freedom
• we will be ready to find sensible accommodations on practical issues such as flights, lorry transport, or scientific cooperation, if the EU wants to do that - reciprocal arrangements and obligations should have been at the starting point for any agreement not an alternative in lieu of one .
• we cannot and will not compromise on the fundamentals of what it means to be an independent country

 

 

No evidence of any backtracking there, smallfry.

 

 

We've been here many times before...

But tomorrow looks like the day. If Boris doesn't walk away, we are surely in line for  a fudged up deal, possibly with many aspects (i.e. fishing), being rolled over for a few years with the current arrangements, until something else can be sorted out 

What's it gonna be

1/ a crappy no deal?

2/ a crappy half baked deal that will still take even more time to finalise?

Happy days 😟

[BigFish 1,986]

1 hour ago, Jools said:

Well, smallfry, David Frost's post to Twitter an hour ago suggests that tomorrow, Boris will go with his 7 September statement:

 

Here is the 7 September statement:   https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/prime-ministers-words-on-eu-negotiations-7-september-2020

• there needs to be an agreement by the time of the EU Council meeting - a day later is de minimis
• no sense in thinking about timelines beyond that point.
• if no free trade agreement move on.
• we will have full control over our laws, our rules, and our fishing waters - a constant feature since 2016
• we will have the freedom to do trade deals with every country in the world - any EU designed state aid provision is intended to scupper that freedom
• we will be ready to find sensible accommodations on practical issues such as flights, lorry transport, or scientific cooperation, if the EU wants to do that - reciprocal arrangements and obligations should have been at the starting point for any agreement not an alternative in lieu of one .
• we cannot and will not compromise on the fundamentals of what it means to be an independent country

 

 

No evidence of any backtracking there, smallfry.

 

 

So the UK's chief negotiator is crying like a baby. Not really a good look for the Uk. Seems like Bernier has served the Brexteers their **** on a plate.

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49 minutes ago, BigFish said:

So the UK's chief negotiator is crying like a baby. Not really a good look for the Uk. Seems like Bernier has served the Brexteers their **** on a plate.

I suspect there is some 'panic' in No. 10. It wasn't meant to go like this.

It's a lose lose I'm afraid - Bluff called.

Of course he can jump off the (economic) cliff ......

[Jools 584]

1 hour ago, BigFish said:

So the UK's chief negotiator is crying like a baby. 

Is he? I haven't seen that, do you have a link?

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57 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I suspect there is some 'panic' in No. 10. It wasn't meant to go like this.

Really, panic inside No. 10! How do you know this, do you have inside knowledge? Are you sure 'No Deal' hasn't been the plan for quite some time and that is exactly what Boris & co have been wanting all along?

Whatever the outcome, deal or no deal, I'm pretty certain you know no better than I or anybody else here what that outcome will be, so please spare us the BS Remainiac presumptions that always fail you. 

[Surfer 1,547]

• we will have the freedom to do trade deals with every country in the world - any EU designed state aid provision is intended to scupper that freedom

Translation - well of course the UK does, however let's look at who we'd want to do a trade deal with : # 1global market - EU oh, never mind. # 2 global market - US oh, Trump is obviously losing. #3 global market - China - oh, well I guess we'll have to sell out Hong Kong then.... next Japan, well Liz did already increase the blue cheese quota. 

• we will be ready to find sensible accommodations on practical issues such as flights, lorry transport, or scientific cooperation, if the EU wants to do that - reciprocal arrangements and obligations should have been at the starting point for any agreement not an alternative in lieu of one .

What if the EU says, these are our rules. What then? And geniuses, we DID and until Dec 31 still DO have reciprocal arrangements on all these matters - that is what Brexit is blowing up.

• we cannot and will not compromise on the fundamentals of what it means to be an independent country

The UK Government is about to find out the rest of the world doesn't give a damn what we think about our independent country status. History shows that whoever has the the biggest guns usually wins. 

Edited October 16, 2020 by Surfer

[SwindonCanary 455]

https://globalvisionuk.com/286-reason-why-no-deal-is-still-better-than-a-bad-deal/?fbclid=IwAR2Ehi1c0FUxLq6P5Ka_4TmAmlZ_gTfP7GiRvNhXRooYbkDbUBwj6bN9paE

[Herman 9,698]

Johnson going on about an Australian deal again. 

[Yellow Fever 3,733]

Johnson - The most disastrous and very possibly the last PM the UK has ever had.

[BigFish 1,986]

13 minutes ago, Herman said:

Johnson going on about an Australian deal again. 

......because it sounds better than trying to sell a Mongolian type deal (which of course is the same)

[Icecream Snow 761]

15 minutes ago, Herman said:

Johnson going on about an Australian deal again. 

Someone needs to show him a map and point out that Australia is over 9400 miles from the UK, and France is 20 miles from the UK.

Surely Australia is only shipping high margin or speciality goods over that distance. With our economy of 80% services and 44% of our goods and services going to the EU, and no WTO terms or arrangements on services, I fail to see how our lunatic leader can think that Australia is in a similar situation to us.

[BigFish 1,986]

Johnson & Frosty the No Man stamp their feet, cry a bit and say some empty words.....

Then the talks go on

Johnson folds

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