The Positive Brexit Thread

[NFN FC 1,123]

So you're saying the leader of the opposition shouldn't be holding the government accountable for their actions? Would you like them silenced? 

[SwindonCanary 455]

35 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

So you're saying the leader of the opposition shouldn't be holding the government accountable for their actions? Would you like them silenced? 

He was for it, before, now he's against it, that's not the way to be opposition !

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

On 12/10/2020 at 08:43, SwindonCanary said:

WE must set the deadlines and STICK TO THEM!!!

 

And another ones gone, and another ones gone, and another one bites the dust.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1347555/Brexit-news-trade-talks-deadline-EU-UK-Michel-Barnier-Boris-Johnson-latest

Brexit deadline SCRAPPED: PM caves on own red line

 

[horsefly 4,296]

16 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

He was for it, before, now he's against it, that's not the way to be opposition !

So foolish! The logic of your position is frankly idiotic. It means that no-one could legitimately change their view on a position irrespective of becoming aware of new information. Starmer came into possession of new information that the SAGE committee had recommended a "circuit-breaker lock-down" back in September. Only a moron would ignore this advice and Starmer has rightly changed his view in light of it. Deal with the arguments.

[NFN FC 1,123]

36 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

He was for it, before, now he's against it, that's not the way to be opposition !

For what? Against what? 

Should the opposition be one dimensional? 

[The Raptor 1,205]

3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

He was for it, before, now he's against it, that's not the way to be opposition !

When the government are constantly changing their mind why is the opposition not allowed to as well?

[Jools 584]

Thanks to Brexit, prices of imported world goods will fall from 01 Jan

EU’s inflated import tariffs will go, replaced by simpler scheme designed to benefit the UK

Consumers can buy more cheaply, companies can source more competitively

From 1 January 2021 consumers and companies will benefit from lower tariffs on imported goods from around the world, as a result of the UK finally leaving the EU’s Customs Union.

Once the UK has left, it will apply a UK-specific tariff to imported goods from day one. This UK Global Tariff (UKGT) will replace the EU’s Common External Tariff which made many goods from around the world more expensive for UK consumers. In a great many cases the EU’s tariffs were there to protect producers in EU27 countries, and the UK had no choice but to apply them.

BREXIT FACTS4EU.ORG SUMMARY

Examples of products which will be tariff free, thanks to Brexit

• Dishwashers and freezers
• Sanitary products and tampons
• LED lamps, paints, screwdrivers, scissors, garden shears
• Cooking products such as baking powder, herbs, cocoa powder
• Even Christmas trees will be tariff free, a year next Christmas

New UK tariff regime simplifies and cuts costs

The new tariff is tailored to the needs of the UK economy and it will make it easier and cheaper for businesses to import goods from overseas. It is a simpler, easier to use, and lower tariff regime than the EU’s Common External Tariff and will be in pounds, not euros. It will scrap red tape and other unnecessary barriers to trade, reduce cost pressures and increase choice for consumers, as well as backing UK industries to compete on the global stage.

The UK’s new tariff schedule will streamline and simplify nearly 6,000 tariff lines, thereby lowering costs for businesses by reducing administrative burdens. The changes include scrapping unnecessary tariff variations, rounding tariffs down to standardised percentages, and getting rid of all “nuisance tariffs” (those below 2%).

The EU’s complex ‘Meursing table’ will go, allowing the UK to scrap over 13,000 unnecessary tariff variations on products such as biscuits, confectionery, pizzas, quiches, and spreads.

60% of import trade will be tariff free

The UKGT also expands tariff free trade by eliminating tariffs on a wide range of products. The UKGT aims to ensure that 60% of trade will come into the UK tariff free on WTO terms or through existing preferential access from January 2021, and successful FTA negotiations will increase this.

This will lower costs for businesses, ensuring they can compete on fair terms with the rest of the world, as well as keeping prices down and increasing choice for consumers.

International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said

“For the first time in 50 years we are able to set our own tariff regime that is tailored to the UK economy. Our new Global Tariff will benefit UK consumers and households by cutting red tape and reducing the cost of thousands of everyday products.

“With this straightforward approach, we are backing UK industry and helping businesses overcome the unprecedented economic challenges posed by Coronavirus.”

OBSERVATIONS

There is a common misconception that tariffs on goods entering the UK will somehow attract higher rates applied by the EU. This is of course not the case. It is the importing country (in this case the UK) which chooses what level of tariff to apply.

The UK Government has its new United Kingdom General Tariff which was the subject of much consultation with British business and consumer groups, and this has now been lodged with the WTO.

In the event of no Free Trade Agreement (FTA) between the UK and the EU, all goods entering the UK from the EU27 will be subject to these new tariffs, as will those from any other country around the world which does not have a specific FTA in place. Under WTO rules this is referred to (confusingly) as ‘Most Favoured Nation’ (MFN) status.

In many cases this will result in lower prices for products sourced from around the non-EU world.

What happens to products imported from the EU next year?

If the UK exits the EU on 31 December 2020 without a free trade agreement in place, then the UK’s new tariff regime will apply to all EU27 imports.

Instantly the Irish beef and dairy industry will be hit, as will many other industries in all other EU countries. Last year (2019) the EU sold €318.7 billion of products to the UK each year – that’s €124.9 billion more than the UK sold to the EU27. (EU Commission figures.)

Some of these imported products from the EU will now attract zero tariffs, as we have explained above. Some will now be subject to UK tariffs for the first time in nearly 50 years.

There will be a period of adjustment as consumers make their choices

Many confirmed Brexiteers have already started buying British in place of EU27 goods, on principle and as a result of the EU’s bullying attitude to the UK since 2016 when the majority of the electorate voted to leave.

When the UK general population is faced with the choice of similar products, one from the EU where a UK tariff has been applied, or a British product with no tariff affecting its price, we suspect that a process known as ‘substitution’ will kick in.

In many cases this will result in increased demand for British products – and for non-EU products which no longer have high EU tariffs applied – and the result will be a fall in sales for EU27 producers.

Will the UK leave on WTO terms?

No-one knows the final outcome of the UK-EU trade talks for certain. Our best guess currently is that a ‘fudge’ is being prepared. This will involve a compromise by the UK government on some of the EU’s outrageous demands. It will also mean that the disastrous Withdrawal Treaty will stay in place 😡

We continue to lobby for the following:-

1. Repudiate the Withdrawal Treaty (including the Northern Ireland Protocol) on the grounds that the EU has acted in bad faith during the entirety of the negotiations, and
2. Stand firm and refuse to compromise on any trade deal involving a watering down of the UK’s sovereignty and independence of action, and
3. Start communicating effectively to the British public and to the rest of the world

 

To all MPs who read our work, as the most prolific researcher and publisher of Brexit facts in the world we stand ready to assist in any way for the achievement of the above objectives.

 

[ Sources: UK Department for International Trade | EU Commission official trade statistics ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Tues 13 Oct 2020

Edited October 14, 2020 by Jools

[SwindonCanary 455]

38 minutes ago, The Raptor said:

When the government are constantly changing their mind why is the opposition not allowed to as well?

He was for the move of the Government 3 times when it did not work he criticized it  !

[SwindonCanary 455]

4 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

And another ones gone, and another ones gone, and another one bites the dust.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1347555/Brexit-news-trade-talks-deadline-EU-UK-Michel-Barnier-Boris-Johnson-latest

Brexit deadline SCRAPPED: PM caves on own red line

 

 

UK spokesman said fisheries were the starkest among lingering differences, and that Johnson would decide only after the EU summit whether to proceed with negotiations.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-boris-johnson-no-deal-eu-update-keir-starmer-today-b1031066.html

Edited October 14, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[Herman 9,750]

38 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

He was for the move of the Government 3 times when it did not work he criticized it  !

It's called evidence. That's what normal people use to back or change their stances. 

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

Just saw this. 

 

(Twitter/@danieldaviesrpl)

Independent  looking a SC's link above 😉

 

Edited October 14, 2020 by Yellow Fever
I can think of three on here as well

[NFN FC 1,123]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

He was for the move of the Government 3 times when it did not work he criticized it  !

Where are they wanting to move it? 

[SwindonCanary 455]

13 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

Where are they wanting to move it? 

don't be stupid !

[Surfer 1,547]

I have my pencil and notebook out again this morning ... is this the positive Brexit news I should be documenting? It does sound like a lot of positive investment in transport and trade infrastructure. 

Edited October 14, 2020 by Surfer

[A Load of Squit 5,160]

26 minutes ago, Surfer said:

I have my pencil and notebook out again this morning ... is this the positive Brexit news I should be documenting? It does sound like a lot of positive investment in transport and trade infrastructure. 

Don't forget the portaloos.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-lorry-drivers-portaloos-kent-queues-transport-b1034479.html

Portaloos will be set up in Kent and potentially in areas “throughout the country” for lorry drivers caught up in ports chaos after Brexit.

Rachel Maclean, the transport minister, revealed the plan – amid predictions of queues of up to 7,000 trucks unable to reach the continent.

“We have detailed plans that we worked up for provision of, not only portaloos, but other facilities for drivers, not only in Kent,” she told MPs.

“We don’t want to see them in queues and we want to think about the impact on them,” she added.

Sh!t planning. 😀

[BigFish 1,986]

7 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

And another ones gone, and another ones gone, and another one bites the dust.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1347555/Brexit-news-trade-talks-deadline-EU-UK-Michel-Barnier-Boris-Johnson-latest

Brexit deadline SCRAPPED: PM caves on own red line

 

What a surprise. By accounts Bernier was laughing at Johnson over this with the EU leaders earlier in the week. Plenty of time, he said (afterall this is Johnson's third deadline)

[BigFish 1,986]

Hey @Jools

Retailers warn food prices will soar if the UK and EU fail to agree a zero-tariff trade deal

[Jools 584]

8 hours ago, NFN FC said:

So you're saying the leader of the opposition shouldn't be holding the government accountable for their actions? Would you like them silenced? 

 

He's a prize 🔔🔚

[Jools 584]

17 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Hey @Jools

Retailers warn food prices will soar if the UK and EU fail to agree a zero-tariff trade deal

Never been the sharpest tool in the box have you smallfry.

[PurpleCanary 5,556]

1 minute ago, Jools said:

 

He's a prize 🔔🔚

But he can probably spell the word 'blatant'...

[Jools 584]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

But he can probably spell the word 'blatant'...

That'll win him lots of support 🙃

[horsefly 4,296]

27 minutes ago, Jools said:

That'll win him lots of support 🙃

Well he's far more popular that Brexsh*te Johnson. And only a fool doesn't change his mind when the facts point to a different conclusion. But then I suspect you still think the world is flat.

[Jools 584]

5 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Well he's far more popular that Brexsh*te Johnson. 

😀 He might be more popular among your campus friends, but certainly not generally and I seriously doubt his yearning to shutdown the country will help his cause.

[Jools 584]

The following letter from the European Industry bodes well for us, the cracks are appearing and its not on our side:

https://www.scribd.com/document/480047170/Brexit-Joint-Declaration-Bdi-Medef-Confindustria-20201014#from_embed

[horsefly 4,296]

16 minutes ago, Jools said:

😀 He might be more popular among your campus friends, but certainly not generally and I seriously doubt his yearning to shutdown the country will help his cause.

Take a look at the polls

[Yellow Fever 3,767]

You're struggling tonight Jools. Is Trump a lost cause ?

[NFN FC 1,123]

37 minutes ago, Jools said:

😀 He might be more popular among your campus friends, but certainly not generally and I seriously doubt his yearning to shutdown the country will help his cause.

If you swap out the word socialist (and the name) you could be talking about almost any politician. 

If you replace it with Boris Johnson and llama/gob****e/bumbler Well you get out delightful PM

[PurpleCanary 5,556]

49 minutes ago, Jools said:

The following letter from the European Industry bodes well for us, the cracks are appearing and its not on our side:

https://www.scribd.com/document/480047170/Brexit-Joint-Declaration-Bdi-Medef-Confindustria-20201014#from_embed

I think Jools must mean this key line:

'We call on leaders of both sides to stay committed to the Withdrawal Agreement and to the Political Declaration.'

[PurpleCanary 5,556]

On 12/10/2020 at 19:35, PurpleCanary said:

Yes indeed, time is getting short. I can see some kind of compromise on fishing but the overall question of a level playing-field is directly connected to the integrity of the single market, and the EU has to protect that. If the EU trusted Johnson it would be much easier to do a deal but the EU trusts Johnson about as much as the rest of football trusts the Big Six of the Premier League.

Or as The Guardian is saying today:

The EU has consistently assumed that rationality would prevail, even in an administration led by Mr Johnson. The internal market bill shook that confidence, but not with the effect intended by Mr Johnson. He expected to jolt Europe into a new, more amenable negotiating paradigm. Instead, the bill made Brussels doubly determined to enforce guarantees of compliance in any future treaties. It needlessly poisoned the atmosphere without bringing Brexiters any closer to their fantasy of access to European markets free of obligations to satisfy EU rules.

For what little it is worth, my bad deal or no deal barometer is twitching around the halfway point. Logic points to a (bad) deal but there are two reasons why it could be a no-deal. One is that some Extreme Brexiters want it.  The other is that it could very easily happen by accident.

PS. Just to add, that Johnson could even now so misunderstand the EU, evidenced by how he thought it would react to his internal market bill, bolsters the chance of a no-deal by mistake, by him still believing Merkel and Macron et al will cave in at the last minute.

Edited October 15, 2020 by PurpleCanary

[SwindonCanary 455]

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-trade-talks-balance-latest-boris-johnson-end-negotiations-friday-720909?ITO=newsnow