The Positive Brexit Thread

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9 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

If only we could have done.

Major was trod upon. Campbell humiliated. 

They should've tried harder 🙊

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[BroadstairsR 2,163]

15 minutes ago, Herman said:

Where does this "VAT discount" stuff come from?

It's very complicated.

Suffice to say that currently the UK Governement has to give 80% of the VAT tarrif to the EU and the net total for the Uk for customs duies was £2.64 bn. @ 2019.

Germany pays 50%. I wouldn't know what other countries pay, but it's more than 50%.

There is nothing easy about VAT rulings though.

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

Who is Campbell?

 

[BroadstairsR 2,163]

3 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Who is Campbell?

 

I think you know really who I refer to as he's that chap who got himself killed in his speedboat?

Otherwise: a nonentity of a British Prime Minister who resigned when things got too hot for him. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by BroadstairsR

[SwindonCanary 455]

Stop the arguing !

 

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2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Stop the arguing !

 

I agree with the sentiment from BoJo's conference. However, it's very unlikely he will do all the things he said. The windmills are a good idea but they really aren't enough to really move the country forward to not rely on carbon based energy. 

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LONDON (Reuters) - Britain needs to know by Oct. 15 if there is going to be a deal with the European Union because businesses need to prepare, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s spokesman said on Tuesday.

“We do need to be in a position where we’re able to provide certainty to businesses as to what the terms of our future trading relationship with EU are going to be, and we do believe that we need to be able to give clarity on whether or not there’s going to be a deal by the 15th of October.”

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2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain needs to know by Oct. 15 if there is going to be a deal with the European Union because businesses need to prepare, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s spokesman said on Tuesday.

“We do need to be in a position where we’re able to provide certainty to businesses as to what the terms of our future trading relationship with EU are going to be, and we do believe that we need to be able to give clarity on whether or not there’s going to be a deal by the 15th of October.”

Yeah, by October 15th 2019 would've been better 🇬🇧

[Herman 9,756]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-10-06/brexit-news-the-city-of-london-s-banker-exodus-is-gaining-momentum

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[A Load of Squit 5,161]

Lovely use of 'simply'. 😀

 

[BigFish 1,986]

11 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain needs to know by Oct. 15 if there is going to be a deal with the European Union because businesses need to prepare, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s spokesman said on Tuesday.

“We do need to be in a position where we’re able to provide certainty to businesses as to what the terms of our future trading relationship with EU are going to be, and we do believe that we need to be able to give clarity on whether or not there’s going to be a deal by the 15th of October.”

This quote, and @SwindonCanary's quoting of it is typical of this government's handling of the negotiations. All it is, is a bit of fluff thrown out to the true believers to pretend that the UK is taking tough. Johnson & Ursula von der Leyen talked on Saturday, so throwing this out there for the media doesn't really add anything. There are two sides to this negotiation and Frosty the No Man knows that fundamental issues mean that there cannot be confirmation of a deal by the 15th, unless the UK compromises on their red lines.

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13 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

Then that time period will have to be extended, despite what the bumbler says.

A deal of some sort is imperative.

The EU will have to release themselves from their "punish UK" thinking and the (extreme) brexiteers will have to realise the damage just exactly what the full impact of a no deal scenario will do for the UK.

 

I go with Big Fish's answer to this but the additional point is that there is no post-Brexit trade deal that does not significantly damage the UK economy, and this is going by the government's own analysis as well as any number of independent analyses.

Even worse, the red lines laid down by the extreme Brexiters have ruled out the kind of comprehensive trade deal that would have limited the damage as much as possible, leaving only a no-deal or a minimal deal, with the latter being only somewhat better than the former.

If the UK does negotiate a deal at the last minute Johnson will portray it as a triumph but it will be far from that, and far from what he and all the other leading Brexit campaigners promised.

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17 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Stop the arguing !

 

Is Boris going to send the Joe Biden campaign a thank you note for stealing his presidential campaign slogan? 
 

Biut staying on a positive note, what exactly does BBB mean in terms of policies in the UK - or is it going to be used as a tool to divide the country further along the lines of “if you do not support me, and everything I say you stand against the county”? 

[SwindonCanary 455]

thehttps://www.national.scot/news/18777201.brexit-update-michael-gove-david-frost-answer-questions-eu-talks/

Edited October 7, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

Very apt.

https://www.national.scot/news/18777201.brexit-update-michael-gove-david-frost-answer-questions-eu-talks/

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that s(h)ite.

 

[Jools 584]

1 hour ago, Surfer said:

Is Boris going to send the Joe Biden campaign a thank you note for stealing his presidential campaign slogan?

I doubt it as Boris first used the phrase at the end of June. Sleepy used the phrase for the first time over a week later on the 9^th July.

A suggestion -- Don't listen to the likes of the BBC’s Faisal Islam -- Or anyone at the BBC for that matter.

You Lefties never learn.

Edited October 7, 2020 by Jools

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Brexit update: Michael Gove and David Frost answer questions on EU talks

By Xander Richards  @xanderescribeMultimedia Journalist

Michael Gove said some people saw the EU as 'disinterested upholders of virtue'

 

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MICHAEL Gove has accused the EU of aiming to “exercise control” over nations under the guise of pursuing “virtuous goals”.

However, the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster also said that the progress of Brexit talks are a cause for “steady optimism”, despite the increased preparations for a No-Deal situation.

Gove was appearing before a Westminster committee on the progress of the UK-EU Brexit negotiations alongside David Frost, the UK’s chief negotiator.

During the committee hearing, Gove was also pressed on why the UK maintaining the EU’s high standards on matters such as climate, environment, and labour laws post-Brexit is a sticking point in negotiations, if there are no UK plans to lower those standards.

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Baroness Brown said: “We’ve had all sorts of assurances in the UK that we have no intention of reducing our standards in those areas, so is that really still a challenge in negotiations?”

 

Frost answered, saying he thought the EU “might be being a bit overambitious in what they seek to get us to commit to”.

However, he then added that there was “no real argument about the underlying commitments”.

Frost said that the UK was a country with high standards which the UK Government had already outlined, but issues remained around whether that “baseline” may move in the future and create friction in trade.

Michael Gove then interrupted to say that he felt some people view the EU as if they were “Plato’s guardians, disinterested upholders of virtue” and other countries who disagree are “potential rogues”.

He said that the EU would sometimes use “high-sounding claims to advance virtue” to “fetter” both member and neighbour states.

Gove said the EU’s aims were not necessarily to “achieve that virtuous goal, but to exercise control”.

“I think it’s important, when we look at what the EU say, to distinguish between the noble motives they sometimes profess and the rather less noble behaviour that they often exhibit,” he said.

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The Minister for the Cabinet Office also told the committee that there was cause for “steady optimism” from the Brexit talks, but that the UK was making preparations for a No-Deal scenario so that it “is not held hostage”.

He added: “No one would be happier than me if we could conclude an agreement, but we have an absolute obligation to ensure that the country is ready in the event that we don’t.”

Last month Boris Johnson said there was “no sense in thinking about timelines” that go beyond October 15, and that he was ready to walk away from talks if that deadline passed without a deal being reached.

Johnson and the UK have since been accused of “brinkmanship” as a result. Gove and Frost told the committee today that the Prime Minister’s deadline still stands.

As such, and as confirmed by the committee chair Hilary Benn, there will likely be another committee hearing on the progress of the Brexit talks in the near future.

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BoJo's followers can only handle 3 words at a time 

[Herman 9,756]

#BigBag'oBollox. 

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9 minutes ago, Jools said:

I doubt it as Boris first used the phrase at the end of June. Sleepy used the phrase for the first time over a week later on the 9^th July.

A suggestion -- Don't listen to the likes of the BBC’s Faisal Islam -- Or anyone at the BBC for that matter.

You Lefties never learn.

Rather, both politicians (or their speechwriters) might have swiped it from something called the Sendai Framework for Disaster Risk Reduction, adopted in March 2015 at a UN conference in Japan.

The Japanese delegation proposed “Build Back Better” as a concept in chapter seven of the book they presented at the Sendai conference. It was eventually incorporated into the framework and endorsed by the UN General Assembly.

より良く構築する

Yori yoku kōchiku suru.

どういたしまして

Dōitashima****e

 

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

21 minutes ago, Jools said:

I doubt it as Boris first used the phrase at the end of June. Sleepy used the phrase for the first time over a week later on the 9^th July.

A suggestion -- Don't listen to the likes of the BBC’s Faisal Islam -- Or anyone at the BBC for that matter.

You Lefties never learn.

Faisal seems to have all the bases covered.

https://www.indy100.com/article/tories-boris-johnson-joe-biden-build-back-better-slogan-9716246

Another epic fail from Jools, he never learns.

 

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UK/EU border

20 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

A deal of some sort is imperative.

I disagree, Broadstairs -- It's been obvious for nigh on five years that the EU would never give the UK a satisfactory deal.

Establishment Remainiacs are making a mountain out of a worm thread where delays at the UK/EU border are concerned and as you've stated yourself we export minimally to the EU -- In fact, only 0.7% of all UK businesses export goods to the EU:

 

Exclusive: 99.3% of all UK businesses do NOT export to the EU

Brexit Facts4EU.Org reveals what the Establishment’s Remainers don’t want you to know

Project Fear’s continuing doom-and-gloom about a ‘no deal’ Brexit is debunked

Facts4EU.Org has researched and analysed the official HMRC and Government data on all the businesses in the UK, to see just how many of these businesses will be affected if the EU continues to fail to negotiate reasonably and the UK then exits the EU on 31 December on WTO terms.

Many readers – including those who voted Remain in 2016 - may find the following information to be shocking.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

From official Government and HMRC figures for 2019

• 99.3% of all UK businesses do NOT export goods to the EU
• Even after excluding sole traders, the picture is similar
• 97.2% of the UK’s 1.4 million employers do NOT export goods to the EU
• Just 39,000 UK employers export goods to the EU
• That’s only 2.8% of all employers – and yet they’re dominating the EU trade deal debate
• More than 5 million UK businesses neither import from, nor export to, the EU

The percentage of all UK businesses exporting goods to the EU

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge

The percentage of all UK employers (excluding sole traders) exporting goods to the EU

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge

The Establishment’s claims are wrong – and misleading

For years the Establishment - including the big businesses represented by the CBI and their political supporters - have sought to frame the debate about Brexit on what they claim would be the ‘cliff edge’ of an exit by the UK from the EU on ‘WTO terms’. This type of exit is what Prime Minister Boris Johnson now refers to as leaving on “Australian terms”.

Almost all of the business information presented to the public by the BBC and other broadcasters has revolved around claims that “nearly 50% of UK exports go to the EU”. Aside from the fact that this claim is false, (the true figure is 43% according to the House of Commons Library in July 2020), the public has been given the impression that half of our business is in peril from a ‘no deal’ Brexit.

This is not the case, as can be seen from the official figures we have uncovered.

This is about actual UK businesses and the real people working in them

Our investigation shows that only a tiny number of the UK’s businesses (39,000 out of a total of 5.9 million) actually sell goods to the EU27. Even stripping out all sole traders from the total number of UK businesses, this still leaves 1,409,950 employers. 39,000 is a very small proportion (2.8%) of these.

Yes, it’s true that the UK businesses selling goods to the EU tend to be larger, and therefore tend to employ more people per business, and to export in higher volumes. Nevertheless, they are relatively small in number and will most certainly have the resources to adapt quickly to a new trading environment. It remains the case that the vast majority of UK businesses will be unaffected by any new EU export arrangements.

There are only 19,800 businesses in the UK employing 100 people or more. This leaves 5,848,000 businesses who employ (or self-employ) the rest of us.

So how much is the UK’s goods export business to the EU worth?

As stated above, Remainers have always sought to frame the Brexit debate around business numbers, which is one of the reasons they lost the UK’s EU Referendum of 2016.

Despite the fact that the Remain side continually cited export numbers, the reality is that the UK is the country which did worst out of all EU countries when it came to the Single Market and Customs Union. (This is according to the EU Commission itself – see our report here.)

In May this year (2020) we published our research showing that the UK’s goods exports to the EU represent only 7.7% of the UK’s total economy.

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org - click to enlarge

Observations

Above we have tried to put the business side of UK PLC into perspective for readers. When the CBI - which represents big business and which campaigned hard for Remain - speaks, the BBC jumps. Rarely did we hear anything from the BBC about the millions of small businesses which make up the backbone of the UK's economy.

In late summer 2018 we were the first Brexit organisation to back a new business group, The Alliance of British Entrepreneurs, representing the interests of businesses with billions of pounds of turnover and who backed Leave. Founded by a brilliant young business lawyer named Tom Bohills, they successfully campaigned for the Brexit business voice to be heard. Nevertheless it has always been an uphill battle to get the pro-Brexit business voice heard when the BBC, Sky News and others seem to be so obsessed with pro-Remain voices.

The Government must stand firm and resolute

In the coming days and weeks we believe that the UK Government will attempt to strike some form of compromise deal with the European Union.

Instead we urge them to do three things immediately:

1. Repudiate the Withdrawal Treaty (including the Northern Ireland Protocol) on the grounds that the EU has acted in bad faith during the entirety of the negotiations, and
2. Stand firm and refuse to compromise on any trade deal involving a watering down of the UK’s sovereignty and independence of action, and
3. Start communicating effectively to the British public and to the rest of the world

To all MPs who read our work, we stand ready to assist in any way for the achievement of the above objectives.

Finally, where is the BBC on the information we have provided above? These are raw, basic facts. As the most prolific researcher and publisher of Brexit facts for almost five years, we urge any BBC journalist to contact us if they would like to report a more balanced view of the background to the UK-EU trade negotiations.

 

[ Sources: HMRC | BEIS (UK Dept for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy) ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Tues 06 Oct 2020

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

That day you got a sh!tty job but tried to make it look good. 😀

[Surfer 1,547]

Oh look. We are crashing out of the EU, so what can we sell to Mongolia? 

 

[Herman 9,756]

I like how Liz and friends are pretending to sit on chairs.😀

[SwindonCanary 455]

looks like Macron is to blame for a no deal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Y4oV_mahU&ab_channel=Westmonster

 

[Jools 584]

7 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Faisal seems to have all the bases covered.

https://www.indy100.com/article/tories-boris-johnson-joe-biden-build-back-better-slogan-9716246

Another epic fail from Jools, he never learns.

 

Boris first used the slogan at the end of June --- Faisal Islam on the 29th of September states Sleepy first used the slogan two months previously in July --- If you check a calendar you'll probably be surprised to see that June comes before July. 

[Jools 584]

8 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Oh look. We are crashing out of the EU, so what can we sell to Mongolia? 

 

Remainiacs 😀