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It looks as though Purplebellender, Horsesh...fly & other Remainiacs need to go and read John Redwoods Diary site in order to garner clarification on subjects they don't fully understand...

Here, I'll even provide a link for the idle benefit claimants and those still on furlough in non-jobs

👉https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

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50 minutes ago, Jools said:

It looks as though Purplebellender, Horsesh...fly & other Remainiacs need to go and read John Redwoods Diary site in order to garner clarification on subjects they don't fully understand...

Here, I'll even provide a link for the idle benefit claimants and those still on furlough in non-jobs

👉https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

Another RWNJ! 

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

It looks as though Purplebellender, Horsesh...fly & other Remainiacs need to go and read John Redwoods Diary site in order to garner clarification on subjects they don't fully understand...

Here, I'll even provide a link for the idle benefit claimants and those still on furlough in non-jobs

👉https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

Funny how you always provide a link to some has-been or crank but never present an argument yourself. No analysis, no rational criticism, just cut and paste crass flag waving assertions. You haven't addressed on single argument presented here.  Indeed, a typical Brexiteer, uneducated, sour and living in a fantasy world.  The sad thing is you can't see how Farage and co manipulate your ignorance and bile to serve their pathetic egos. They couldn't give a toss about you or the fate of the UK 

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

So currently where do the honest posters think we are going to end up? 

A) Crash out with no deal but with the blame being pushed on to the EU? 

B) Get some terrible deal at the last minute and claim it to be a British blitz spirit win? 

After last night I think A has moved ahead in the liklihood stakes. 

I think that's an impossible question to answer because I don't think anyone - and that includes the man himself - can say with any certainty what Johnson's plan is, or even if he has a plan. And particularly, for example, if he is taking matters to the precipice on the assumption the EU will back down at the last minute, or he is is planning to back down , or if he plans a suicidal lemming Brexit*.

But there is an apposite quote from two or three years ago in an Andrew Rawnsley column in which he asked a senior Tory if the ultra-Brexiters (who of course were powerful then but nowhere near as much as now, when they are in total control of the government) understood just how damaging to the economy would be the hard Brexit they wanted.

And the reply was: ''Oh they know all right. They just don't care.''

*Not a phrase I have seen used before, but it seems increasingly apt...

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12 hours ago, Herman said:

So currently where do the honest posters think we are going to end up? 

A) Crash out with no deal but with the blame being pushed on to the EU? 

B) Get some terrible deal at the last minute and claim it to be a British blitz spirit win? 

After last night I think A has moved ahead in the liklihood stakes. 

I posted a similar question a couple of months ago 

My  thoughts then were that we would get some kind of basic trade agreement with the EU that wasn't the finished article

I still think we will get some kind of arrangement, because I don't believe the government is so stupid as to go for no deal 

I  don't think there is time for a full trade agreement as we all know it takes the EU an age to make those deals, something the leavers seem to have suddenly realised 

So, final agreed deal, 5% chance

Half arsed arrangement, 55% chance 

No deal, 40% chance

Let's remember, Boris Johnson isn't a brexiteer, he's a  chancer 

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3 hours ago, Herman said:

So currently where do the honest posters think we are going to end up? 

A) Crash out with no deal but with the blame being pushed on to the EU? 

B) Get some terrible deal at the last minute and claim it to be a British blitz spirit win? 

After last night I think A has moved ahead in the liklihood stakes. 

Unless Johnson climbs down we are heading for A. The EU will pull the plug end of the month.

The EU are quite rational and not emotional fantasists like many on here and will not budge on their long established red lines. They will make the best economic overall decision for themselves based on cold hard facts.

We as supplicants requesting access to the SM need to understand that

Johnson is well on the way to becoming a PM and governemt that history will wish to forget. All countries have these episodes with hard lessons learnt.

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On 14/09/2020 at 13:44, horsefly said:

This is total nonsense and utterly despicable sophistry. The EU position is both simple and completely appropriate. The UK has withdrawn from the EU and single market thereby creating a de facto customs border between the EU (Ireland) and UK (Northern Ireland). Quite rightly the EU has to protect the integrity of that border from potential violations (smuggling etc). However, in order to preserve the peace so hard won by the Good Friday Agreement all the parties concerned understand the desperate need to avoid a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. That necessitates some form of checks  between GB and NI, as was admitted by Johnson's own advisors long ago. There really is no other option if a deal cannot be achieved to prevent this. This is a problem the UK has created and needs to resolve. But one thing is for sure, breaking an international treaty would be an utterly ruinous attempt to do this. First, it would inevitably lead to a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Second, It will make a trade deal between the UK and USA impossible to achieve (neither Republicans nor Democrats  will jeopardize their Irish vote). Third, our international reputation will be in tatters, and will compromise all our future dealings with other nations; political, economic or otherwise.  The behaviour of this government is breathtakingly crass, immoral and simply illegal. It is no wonder that many of the more cerebral and astute Tory MPs are outraged by the Government's proposal.

EU flag waving assertions 🙃

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14 minutes ago, Jools said:

EU flag waving assertions 🙃

Oh my God! yet another post lacking any argument or analysis, and no doubt you can't even see how foolish you look.  I have provided arguments about the need for a customs border if there is no deal, about the essential need to preserve the Good Friday agreement meaning that the customs border HAS to be between GB and NI, about why breaking an international treaty imperils future attempts to achieve trade deals. Why don't you actually attempt to answer these arguments or are you really as chronically thick as I suspect you to be?

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On 14/09/2020 at 14:21, horsefly said:

You really need to learn to read a bit more widely, and try something with a bit more sophistication. The EU has not threatened to blockade anyone (please do cite the relevant document if I'm wrong here). They have simply pointed out that to preserve the Good Friday Agreement and prevent a hard border between Ireland and Northern Island checks will have to be made on goods before they reach NI, unless a trade agreement is reached between the EU and UK. That much is obvious to anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of trading between different market areas. It is the UK that is threatening to renege on the international treaty they themselves signed in January (claiming at the time that it was a  a wonderful deal). 

 

 

And now let's have the truth via the good people at the Facts4EU:

 

 

How the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland

Proof : EU has prevented a Northern Ireland border solution for four years

borderline.jpg

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020

For the EU this has always been political – it’s about punishing the UK
For the Irish Government this has always been about pursuing a united Ireland

Part Two of a Facts4EU.Org special on Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement

  1. First we cover the unfolding events overnight regarding the Government’s proposed new actions
  2. Secondly we show how the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland over four years
  3. Finally we briefly cover the EU's latest hostile moves against the UK

1. The beginnings of a belated Brexit Fightback

Boris Johnson, writing in today’s Daily Telegraph, has finally come out fighting and has explained the Government’s stand on the Withdrawal Agreement, the Northern Ireland Protocol, and the threatening behaviour of the EU, as we and a great many readers urged on Thursday and yesterday.

This follows the (in our view deliberately) appalling performance by the Remain-voting Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, the Rt Hon Brandon Lewis MP, in the House of Commons on Tuesday when he said that the action of the Government “does break international law in a very specific and limited way.”

The Prime Minister’s article this morning – albeit produced many days later than it should have been – at least redresses the balance somewhat. We comment further on the political aspects in our ‘Observations’ below this article.

The pro-Remain civil service are at it again

It is now clear that senior civil servants have been complicit in a rear-guard Remainer action. Here is an anonymous non-Remainer civil servant writing in Briefings for Britain yesterday:-

“Let’s not mince our words – the Northern Ireland Protocol is all about politics. It was cooked up by the EU in cahoots with a fervent Remainer May government and civil service to negate the result of the Brexit referendum. It had absolutely nothing to do with protecting the Good Friday Agreement nor with ensuring there was no hard border in Ireland.”

“Ever since [the WA] was ratified, the EU, Remainer officials and judicial activists have been trying to warp its interpretation to include all the unacceptable elements of the old backstop. The role of the civil service in this is deeply troubling (one cannot go into detail here), but Whitehall officials have been fighting a rear-guard action with ministers ever since January in a bid to keep the UK legally subordinate to the EU through the new Northern Ireland Protocol – regardless of the consequences for the Union or the economy and people of Northern Ireland.”

Briefings for Britain, 11 Sept 2020

Fortunately not all civil servants are anti-democratic Remainers

The highly-respected former British ambassador to the United States and to Germany, Sir Christopher Meyer, posted the following Tweet yesterday:

image.png.69701f45ba9cc0691c7b68902d8e7567.png

 

2. Some of the ways in which the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland

Devastating testimonies condemn Irish Government and EU, over NI and Brexit

For four years the EU and the Irish Government have prevented UK and Irish Customs from agreeing a straightforward solution for the Irish border question.

It was clear from the outset that - as a result of the EU Referendum - UK and Irish customs authorities would have to discuss and agree new arrangements for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Existing border arrangements on the Irish border have always been ‘different’

Given the relatively open border since the 1990s, special arrangements have already existed for many years. There has always been a border in Customs and Revenue terms because of the two countries’ different tax regimes, different excise duties, different VAT rates, and even different currencies.

Here is Mr Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, giving testimony to a Committee of the Irish Parliament in 2017. He was asked about existing arrangements for controlling the border and gave the details for the previous year.

“The vast majority of these checks were carried out in approved warehouses and other premises with a very small number at a port or airport. The low level of import checks is the result of pre-authorisation of traders, advance lodgement of declarations and an extensive system of post-clearance checks, including customs audit, which are carried out at traders' premises.”

“Authorised economic operators, AEOs, have a special status in the system and under agreed protocols are allowed to operate greatly simplified customs procedures. There are currently 133 AEOs, which account for 82% of all imports and 89% of exports. It will be very important that the bulk of trade continues to be through AEOs after Brexit.”

- Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, testimony in 2017

So why didn’t Irish and UK Customs get together to agree to extend existing border arrangements?

It is clear from the testimonies of the most senior Customs officials on both sides of the border – the department heads with the expertise – that they were prevented from talking to each other by the EU and by the Irish government.

“We are not in any form of negotiation or even having any discussion with the UK at this point.”

- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner

Q: “Could Mr. Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us and-----“

Niall Cody (Chairman of Irish Customs): “Yes.”

Q: “-----so we can have discussions but not negotiations?”

Niall Cody : “The European Union will be negotiating with the United Kingdom in regard to Brexit.”

 

- Senior Irish Revenue officials, testimony to the Dáil committee in 2017

And here is what the UK Customs boss said in evidence to a Parliamentary Committee

“There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries.”

"We do not believe we require any infrastructure between Northern Ireland and Ireland under any circumstances."

thompson_2.jpg

- Sir Jon Thompson, former Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, giving evidence to the Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017

Sir Jon went on to say that discussions with the Irish Revenue had started, but were halted – and not by the British.

There is no real quantifiable risk to the EU’s Single Market

Northern Ireland’s goods sales across the border are so small they will amount to a rounding error in the EU’s accounts, post-Brexit.

After Brexit, NI’s cross-border sales will account for just 0.23% of total imports into the EU. [Sources : Eurostat | HMRC | NISRA ]

0.23% is NOT any kind of threat to the integrity of the EU’s Single Market.

Click to enlarge chart - © Brexit Facts4EU.Org

eu_fake_ni_border_issue_200820.jpg

Finally, here are two EU Parliament officials

Two years ago two officials who work for Guy Verhofstadt, then the EU Parliament's Chief Brexit Coordinator, were caught on camera when Mrs May caved in:-

Official One: "We got rid of them! We kicked them out! It took us two years but we managed.”

Official Two: "It's done! On our terms and conditions. We finally turned them into a colony and that was our plan from the first moment.”

 

- Officials working for Guy Verhofstadt, EU Parliament Brexit Coordinator, caught on camera by BBC4 documentary

3. The EU’s latest hostile moves

In a statement issued yesterday, the EU Parliament says it will block any trade agreement with the UK

They have issued this threat before the supposedly sovereign UK Parliament has even had a chance to debate the draft Internal Market Bill, in effect dictating to Parliament what decision it must make on behalf of the British people. Here is an excerpt:

"Should the UK authorities breach – or threaten to breach – the Withdrawal Agreement, through the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill in its current form or in any other way, the European Parliament will, under no circumstances, ratify any agreement between the EU and the UK."

And here is Boris Johnson's response

Writing in the Daily Telegraph today, the Prime Minister was unequivocal about the EU’s latest hostile actions.

Boris Johnson, 12 Sept 2020

“We are now hearing that, unless we agree to the EU's terms, the EU will use an extreme interpretation of the Northern Ireland protocol to impose a full-scale trade border down the Irish Sea.

“We are being told that the EU will not only impose tariffs on goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, but that they might actually stop the transport of food products from GB to NI.

“I have to say that we never seriously believed that the EU would be willing to use a treaty, negotiated in good faith, to blockade one part of the UK, to cut it off, or that they would actually threaten to destroy the economic and territorial integrity of the UK. This was for the very good reason that any such barrier, any such tariffs or division, would be completely contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.

Observations

If the EU and the Irish Government had been remotely interested in preserving the Good Friday Agreement and peace in Northern Ireland, what would have been more logical than for the civil servants responsible for each side of the border to discuss new arrangements?

Instead, the Irish side has been banned from doing so. This was a deliberate act.

A quick solution to alternative arrangements for the NI border, sorted out by those who know the most about it - the Customs teams on each side - was not in the EU’s interests. The EU wished to use the border as one of their three pre-emptive issues to prevent trade being talked about and to keep at least part of the UK in the Single Market and Customs Union. In this, they have succeeded to this day.

And what of the Irish politicians involved in this?

The EU had a willing partner in this subterfuge in the form of the fiercely nationalist Irish government of Messrs Varadkar and Coveney.

Despite a 'no deal' Brexit being catastrophic for the Irish economy, it is our opinion that they put their own political considerations above the interests of their own people, and effectively weaponised this issue. In so doing, they have been played by Brussels. It remains to be seen if the Irish people will ever forgive them.

What next?

It is not before time that the UK Government is finally fighting back against the tirade of propaganda from the EU which has been played worldwide in the complicit, globalist media in most countries, as well as on our TV screens in the UK. As regular readers know, we have been urging a communications effort from the Government. Finally it seems that these efforts have borne fruit, to some extent.

Far more needs to be done, on a daily basis. The EU's propaganda machine is relentless.

If you can, we need your help right now. Please post links to our articles to your social media contacts, friends and family, or just post a link to our news headlines page from which these links are accessible.

 

[ Sources: NISRA | HMRC | The Dáil (Irish Parliament) | Eurostat | UK Parliament (Hansard) | BBC4 documentary | The Daily Telegraph ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 12 Sept 2020

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4 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

 

And now let's have the truth via the good people at the Facts4EU:

 

 

How the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland

Proof : EU has prevented a Northern Ireland border solution for four years

borderline.jpg

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020

For the EU this has always been political – it’s about punishing the UK
For the Irish Government this has always been about pursuing a united Ireland

Part Two of a Facts4EU.Org special on Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement

  1. First we cover the unfolding events overnight regarding the Government’s proposed new actions
  2. Secondly we show how the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland over four years
  3. Finally we briefly cover the EU's latest hostile moves against the UK

1. The beginnings of a belated Brexit Fightback

Boris Johnson, writing in today’s Daily Telegraph, has finally come out fighting and has explained the Government’s stand on the Withdrawal Agreement, the Northern Ireland Protocol, and the threatening behaviour of the EU, as we and a great many readers urged on Thursday and yesterday.

This follows the (in our view deliberately) appalling performance by the Remain-voting Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, the Rt Hon Brandon Lewis MP, in the House of Commons on Tuesday when he said that the action of the Government “does break international law in a very specific and limited way.”

The Prime Minister’s article this morning – albeit produced many days later than it should have been – at least redresses the balance somewhat. We comment further on the political aspects in our ‘Observations’ below this article.

The pro-Remain civil service are at it again

It is now clear that senior civil servants have been complicit in a rear-guard Remainer action. Here is an anonymous non-Remainer civil servant writing in Briefings for Britain yesterday:-

“Let’s not mince our words – the Northern Ireland Protocol is all about politics. It was cooked up by the EU in cahoots with a fervent Remainer May government and civil service to negate the result of the Brexit referendum. It had absolutely nothing to do with protecting the Good Friday Agreement nor with ensuring there was no hard border in Ireland.”

“Ever since [the WA] was ratified, the EU, Remainer officials and judicial activists have been trying to warp its interpretation to include all the unacceptable elements of the old backstop. The role of the civil service in this is deeply troubling (one cannot go into detail here), but Whitehall officials have been fighting a rear-guard action with ministers ever since January in a bid to keep the UK legally subordinate to the EU through the new Northern Ireland Protocol – regardless of the consequences for the Union or the economy and people of Northern Ireland.”

Briefings for Britain, 11 Sept 2020

Fortunately not all civil servants are anti-democratic Remainers

The highly-respected former British ambassador to the United States and to Germany, Sir Christopher Meyer, posted the following Tweet yesterday:

image.png.69701f45ba9cc0691c7b68902d8e7567.png

 

2. Some of the ways in which the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland

Devastating testimonies condemn Irish Government and EU, over NI and Brexit

For four years the EU and the Irish Government have prevented UK and Irish Customs from agreeing a straightforward solution for the Irish border question.

It was clear from the outset that - as a result of the EU Referendum - UK and Irish customs authorities would have to discuss and agree new arrangements for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Existing border arrangements on the Irish border have always been ‘different’

Given the relatively open border since the 1990s, special arrangements have already existed for many years. There has always been a border in Customs and Revenue terms because of the two countries’ different tax regimes, different excise duties, different VAT rates, and even different currencies.

Here is Mr Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, giving testimony to a Committee of the Irish Parliament in 2017. He was asked about existing arrangements for controlling the border and gave the details for the previous year.

“The vast majority of these checks were carried out in approved warehouses and other premises with a very small number at a port or airport. The low level of import checks is the result of pre-authorisation of traders, advance lodgement of declarations and an extensive system of post-clearance checks, including customs audit, which are carried out at traders' premises.”

“Authorised economic operators, AEOs, have a special status in the system and under agreed protocols are allowed to operate greatly simplified customs procedures. There are currently 133 AEOs, which account for 82% of all imports and 89% of exports. It will be very important that the bulk of trade continues to be through AEOs after Brexit.”

- Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, testimony in 2017

So why didn’t Irish and UK Customs get together to agree to extend existing border arrangements?

It is clear from the testimonies of the most senior Customs officials on both sides of the border – the department heads with the expertise – that they were prevented from talking to each other by the EU and by the Irish government.

“We are not in any form of negotiation or even having any discussion with the UK at this point.”

- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner

Q: “Could Mr. Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us and-----“

Niall Cody (Chairman of Irish Customs): “Yes.”

Q: “-----so we can have discussions but not negotiations?”

Niall Cody : “The European Union will be negotiating with the United Kingdom in regard to Brexit.”

 

- Senior Irish Revenue officials, testimony to the Dáil committee in 2017

And here is what the UK Customs boss said in evidence to a Parliamentary Committee

“There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries.”

"We do not believe we require any infrastructure between Northern Ireland and Ireland under any circumstances."

thompson_2.jpg

- Sir Jon Thompson, former Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, giving evidence to the Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017

Sir Jon went on to say that discussions with the Irish Revenue had started, but were halted – and not by the British.

There is no real quantifiable risk to the EU’s Single Market

Northern Ireland’s goods sales across the border are so small they will amount to a rounding error in the EU’s accounts, post-Brexit.

After Brexit, NI’s cross-border sales will account for just 0.23% of total imports into the EU. [Sources : Eurostat | HMRC | NISRA ]

0.23% is NOT any kind of threat to the integrity of the EU’s Single Market.

Click to enlarge chart - © Brexit Facts4EU.Org

eu_fake_ni_border_issue_200820.jpg

Finally, here are two EU Parliament officials

Two years ago two officials who work for Guy Verhofstadt, then the EU Parliament's Chief Brexit Coordinator, were caught on camera when Mrs May caved in:-

Official One: "We got rid of them! We kicked them out! It took us two years but we managed.”

Official Two: "It's done! On our terms and conditions. We finally turned them into a colony and that was our plan from the first moment.”

 

- Officials working for Guy Verhofstadt, EU Parliament Brexit Coordinator, caught on camera by BBC4 documentary

3. The EU’s latest hostile moves

In a statement issued yesterday, the EU Parliament says it will block any trade agreement with the UK

They have issued this threat before the supposedly sovereign UK Parliament has even had a chance to debate the draft Internal Market Bill, in effect dictating to Parliament what decision it must make on behalf of the British people. Here is an excerpt:

"Should the UK authorities breach – or threaten to breach – the Withdrawal Agreement, through the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill in its current form or in any other way, the European Parliament will, under no circumstances, ratify any agreement between the EU and the UK."

And here is Boris Johnson's response

Writing in the Daily Telegraph today, the Prime Minister was unequivocal about the EU’s latest hostile actions.

Boris Johnson, 12 Sept 2020

“We are now hearing that, unless we agree to the EU's terms, the EU will use an extreme interpretation of the Northern Ireland protocol to impose a full-scale trade border down the Irish Sea.

“We are being told that the EU will not only impose tariffs on goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, but that they might actually stop the transport of food products from GB to NI.

“I have to say that we never seriously believed that the EU would be willing to use a treaty, negotiated in good faith, to blockade one part of the UK, to cut it off, or that they would actually threaten to destroy the economic and territorial integrity of the UK. This was for the very good reason that any such barrier, any such tariffs or division, would be completely contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.

Observations

If the EU and the Irish Government had been remotely interested in preserving the Good Friday Agreement and peace in Northern Ireland, what would have been more logical than for the civil servants responsible for each side of the border to discuss new arrangements?

Instead, the Irish side has been banned from doing so. This was a deliberate act.

A quick solution to alternative arrangements for the NI border, sorted out by those who know the most about it - the Customs teams on each side - was not in the EU’s interests. The EU wished to use the border as one of their three pre-emptive issues to prevent trade being talked about and to keep at least part of the UK in the Single Market and Customs Union. In this, they have succeeded to this day.

And what of the Irish politicians involved in this?

The EU had a willing partner in this subterfuge in the form of the fiercely nationalist Irish government of Messrs Varadkar and Coveney.

Despite a 'no deal' Brexit being catastrophic for the Irish economy, it is our opinion that they put their own political considerations above the interests of their own people, and effectively weaponised this issue. In so doing, they have been played by Brussels. It remains to be seen if the Irish people will ever forgive them.

What next?

It is not before time that the UK Government is finally fighting back against the tirade of propaganda from the EU which has been played worldwide in the complicit, globalist media in most countries, as well as on our TV screens in the UK. As regular readers know, we have been urging a communications effort from the Government. Finally it seems that these efforts have borne fruit, to some extent.

Far more needs to be done, on a daily basis. The EU's propaganda machine is relentless.

If you can, we need your help right now. Please post links to our articles to your social media contacts, friends and family, or just post a link to our news headlines page from which these links are accessible.

 

[ Sources: NISRA | HMRC | The Dáil (Irish Parliament) | Eurostat | UK Parliament (Hansard) | BBC4 documentary | The Daily Telegraph ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 12 Sept 2020

Oh ffs, yet another cut and paste pile of crud from Fools. You really couldn't make it up

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9 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh my God! yet another post lacking any argument or analysis, and no doubt you can't even see how foolish you look

How foolish I look!

You obviously need a reminder:

Herman and all you other loser, Lefty Remainiacs --- You lost the referendum -- You lost the 2017 election -- You lost the EU parliament elections and you lost the 2019 election --- You lost the red passports, you lost your freedom of movement, you have lost our fish, you lost the argument, you lost the voters but most recently you have lost your minds perusing this for so long...

 

No bigger fool than a Lefty, Remainiac, Hoss 😎

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5 minutes ago, Jools said:

How foolish I look!

You obviously need a reminder:

Herman and all you other loser, Lefty Remainiacs --- You lost the referendum -- You lost the 2017 election -- You lost the EU parliament elections and you lost the 2019 election --- You lost the red passports, you lost your freedom of movement, you have lost our fish, you lost the argument, you lost the voters but most recently you have lost your minds perusing this for so long...

 

No bigger fool than a Lefty, Remainiac, Hoss 😎

So are you claiming that represents an argument? Christ you are in serious need of help. Get yourself an education so you can distinguish between assertion and argument

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10 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh ffs, yet another cut and paste pile of crud from Fools. You really couldn't make it up

There's literally no point in giving Jools any form of debate. All he does is cut and paste or call you a loser because you have a different viewpoint. (Of course you were personally responsible for you losing the referendum as you voted remain. How dare you! Lefty Remainiac blah blah blah). This is his playground tactics learnt from his idols. 

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Anyone analysing this whole thread for (say) the last 3  months can quickly identify the utter shallowness of Brexit supporters. It is all here in writing. I think there is a certain enjoyment in winding up posters from the likes of Jools and Swindon because there is literally no thoughtful response to concerned questions

....instead there are often simple one liners which act as distractions or taunts. Or jokes.....or, on another occasion, there are floods of material that aim to swamp. So much like Johnson in the house of commons who makes jokes or rattles off quickly spoken volleys ...or verbal diarrhoea.

This is so shallow. I'm just hopeful some more serious-minded Brexit supporters might join the thread. Broadstairs made some input recently as one example. 

   It doesn't seem to matter what happens or how it happens. Yet, one can see such problems ahead. To deny that problems won't arise is very foolish. To simply blame the EU is of course preposterous. Some folk are very easily taken in, very manipulated. It's difficult to be empathic towards the likes of Jools and Swindon for their opinions... and I suppose they get a lot of banter, grief, insult here. I reckon they know they've actually backed the wrong side of an argument. When you're so deeply entrenched, rather than find middle ground or try and debate, you lash out or make jokes or taunts. Such comedy is merely a massive defence.

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Just now, NFN FC said:

There's literally no point in giving Jools any form of debate. All he does is cut and paste or call you a loser because you have a different viewpoint. (Of course you were personally responsible for you losing the referendum as you voted remain. How dare you! Lefty Remainiac blah blah blah). This is his playground tactics learnt from his idols. 

Spot on NFN! Fools clearly lacks any ability to present an argument so it is pointless to expect his small mind to be able to cope with anything other than the cut and paste function.  

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It's a very concerning time for the country. Not only with the virus messing us up, but with the BoJo and his crew at the reins, it's a crazy time. They don't give 2 sh1ts what happens as they're sorted financially. We are the tw4ts that will live with their decisions on a daily basis for years to come. 

Of course, it will all be Covid and the EU's faults. 

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30 minutes ago, horsefly said:

So are you claiming that represents an argument? Christ you are in serious need of help. Get yourself an education so you can distinguish between assertion and argument

Naaayyyy! 🏇😀 I'm not presenting an argument with that message -- I'm simply reminding you Lefty Remainiacs of your constant failures.

Maybe you should try expanding your mind in order to accept and comprehend different viewpoints than your own --- Work out why it is that you're in a minority that keeps losing -- Try basing your arguments on known truths and known facts...

As to intelligence I'll have you know I have a PhD in common-sense 😎

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16 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Spot on NFN! Fools clearly lacks any ability to present an argument so it is pointless to expect his small mind to be able to cope with anything other than the cut and paste function.  

It's my thread and I'll cut & paste facts that you so despise all I like --- You can always take your vast intellect over to the Lefty echo chamber that is the 'Brexit Reprise' thread -- I swear not to bother you there.

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11 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

It's a very concerning time for the country. Not only with the virus messing us up, but with the BoJo and his crew at the reins, it's a crazy time. They don't give 2 sh1ts what happens as they're sorted financially. We are the tw4ts that will live with their decisions on a daily basis for years to come. 

Of course, it will all be Covid and the EU's faults. 

What are Labour's policies these days?

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9 minutes ago, Jools said:

Naaayyyy! 😀 I'm not presenting an argument with that message -- I'm simply reminding you Lefty Remainiacs of your constant failures.

Maybe you should try expanding your mind in order to accept and comprehend different viewpoints than your own --- Work out why it is that you're in a minority that keeps losing -- Try basing your arguments on known truths and known facts...

As to intelligence I'll have you know I have a PhD in common-sense 😎

PhD in being a tw4t

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1 minute ago, Jools said:

What are Labour's policies these days?

No idea, I've never supported Labour and never will

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7 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

PhD in being a tw4t

Well, your straight talking beats Horsefly's pseudo intellectualism I'll give you that 😀👍

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17 minutes ago, Jools said:

What are Labour's policies these days?

Not to interrupt the Johnson while he is making a mistake........full time job at the moment

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58 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Oh ffs, yet another cut and paste pile of crud from Fools. You really couldn't make it up

Well, obviously one can't make up facts  --- Try reading them -- Be warned mind, they have a strong aversion to fiction 😜

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