Bill 1,788 Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: you said 60 ! Name just 10 of them ! Don't forget they have to be free trade deals still want the bet £10 for every one under 40 I will pay PUPS £5 everyone over 40 you pay PUPS Edited August 24, 2020 by Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 24, 2020 It should be astonishing that someone so assertive in his views does not, over fours years after the referendim, have even the most basic knowledge of the EU. Someone who does not know that the EU has even 10 free trade deals never mind 60 plus, Does not even know what deals it has with other countries outside of the above, Does not understand what benefits the UK has enjoyed by being part of this huge trading bloc that has been able to throw its weight about - allowing trade to flourish We, do yourself a favour and for once inform yourself by reading the link below "The European Union has concluded free trade agreements (FTAs)[1] and other agreements with a trade component with many countries worldwide and is negotiating with many others.[2] The European Union negotiates free trade deals on behalf of all of its member states, as the member states have granted the EU has an "exclusive competence" to conclude trade agreements. Even so, member states governments control every step of the process (via the Council of Ministers, whose members are national ministers from each national government)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements 🙈 read it, and know how much you have been lying 🙈 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said: Strewth, this story is a year old Around the same age and mentality as Lefty Remainiacs then 🙃 Edited August 25, 2020 by Jools Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Bill said: read it, and know how much you have been lying 🙈 Read the previous posts I've made in this thread via Facts4EU, Billock -- They're facts not lies --- You obviously need reminding: So how many free trade agreements does the EU actually have in force? According to the Trade Directorate of the EU Commission, only 11 out of the claimed 100 trade agreements are actually in force:- Switzerland - Agreement Faroe Islands - Agreement Turkey - Customs union Iceland - Economic Area Agreement Norway - Economic Area Agreement Liechtenstein - Economic Area Agreement South Korea - Free Trade Agreement Singapore - Free Trade Agreement Vietnam - Free Trade Agreement Mexico - Global Agreement Japan - Global agreement We have excluded “Association”, “Partnership and Cooperation”, and “Stabilisation and Association” Agreements as these are not real trade agreements. We have also excluded Andorra and San Marino as they are both effectively part of the EU. (The French President, Emmanuel Macron, is even the “Co-Prince of Andorra”.) It is possible to make a similar argument about the Faroe Islands in relation to Denmark, but we let that one stand. There are of course trade deals which are not yet in force, but is America, China, or India on the list? No. [ Sources: Daily Express ] Politicians, journalists and deluded Remainiac ***** like Billock, Purplebellender, Herman, BF, Smurfer etc.. can contact us for details, as ever. Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sun 23 Aug 2020 Edited August 25, 2020 by Jools 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 So, some rightwing nut job spouting misinformation from a rightwing nutjob site or https://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/free-trade.asp which explains what a free trade deal is, and what it is not ie Tools is lying .................... yet again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) Billy liar playing up again, if you can't explain what a free trade deal is, how do you expect to bet on it ? https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/existing-free-trade-agreements-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/existing-free-trade-agreements-if-theres-no-brexit-deal Edited August 25, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) You do realize that the link you provided says the guidance offered is out of date - since March 2020 to be precise? Edited August 25, 2020 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 It still stands ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,161 Posted August 25, 2020 This is the latest information. It lists the agreements that have already been agreed. Even though Swindon said that we couldn't agree any deals until we have left and we would have to wait the Government has ignored him and ploughed ahead. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries Even the Government know that Swindon is an idiot. Leaving Swindon as the only person who does not know that Swindon is an idiot. One day he may catch up with the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said: This is the latest information. It lists the agreements that have already been agreed. Even though Swindon said that we couldn't agree any deals until we have left and we would have to wait the Government has ignored him and ploughed ahead. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries Even the Government know that Swindon is an idiot. Leaving Swindon as the only person who does not know that Swindon is an idiot. One day he may catch up with the rest of us. Where EU trade agreements apply, UK and EU content will continue to count toward the rules of origin requirements in EU trade agreements until 31 December 2020, in exactly the same way as now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,161 Posted August 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Where EU trade agreements apply, UK and EU content will continue to count toward the rules of origin requirements in EU trade agreements until 31 December 2020, in exactly the same way as now. Yes, but that does not mean that we cannot agree trade deals now which is what you said yesterday. You're still an idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 oh dear, poor simple minded mouse brain his claim was about free trade deals the EU had with none EU countries, he now claims to be right about that because he posts up an out of date statement regarding the EU and the UK truly an idiot of outstanding levels Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 At least I made the right decision on leaving the EU which you lot missed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 a decision based on complete ignorance of both the EU's workings and structures an ignorance you seem determined to remind us of on an almost daily basis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 25, 2020 We've reached the point with Swindon and Jools and RTB that we'll never convince them their choice, however much they believed in it at the time, was misguided. They will probably go to their graves insisting Brexit was the right policy and everything that happened since then happened because the mission was sabotaged. Like Boers formalizing "living apart" or "apart heid" to preserve their status quo in South Africa, they will never let go. So be it. We'll continue to correct the record and illuminate facts for those who are open minded and the next generation of US and UK voters. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 At least I was not say that it would never happen 🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: At least I was not say that it would never happen 🤣 Do remind us all the exact date when the UK left the Single Market, the Customs union, the ECJ and ended freedom of movement And I remember your lot claiming that the UK would not pay the 'divorce bill, and there was certainly no talk of having an EU border in UK sovereign territory Otherwise perhaps you could update us about all those EU free trade deals that you claimed didn't exist Edited August 25, 2020 by Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) wait and see Japan will complete a deal that goes beyond the EU deal next week ! Edited August 25, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: wait and see so why post your idiot claim if we have to wait and see ? now what about the lies you posted about the EU and free trade deals with other countries ? does the EU already have existing free trade deals, and why will the UK be about the only country not in a trading bloc if it were to leave the EU ? is that a good idea ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Surfer said: We've reached the point with Swindon and Jools and RTB that we'll never convince them their choice, however much they believed in it at the time, was misguided. They will probably go to their graves insisting Brexit was the right policy and everything that happened since then happened because the mission was sabotaged. Like Boers formalizing "living apart" or "apart heid" to preserve their status quo in South Africa, they will never let go. So be it. We'll continue to correct the record and illuminate facts for those who are open minded and the next generation of US and UK voters. It is a belief ststem, so now, reasoned argument will not change their fundementalism 0 much as the nutters in the Missle East who cling to nonsense about some invisible man hiding in the clouds. What is disturbing, and what these extremists have is a blanket refusal to accept what is an obvious fact. There is no more evidence that the UK will be better off outside of the EU, than there is some loon blowing himself up will be 'awarded; 72 virgins in some supposed after life. But there is hard evidence trading under WTO rules will hamstring the UK over tariffs and quotas. That is not opinion, but the known rules of the WTO, but the brexit thickos somehow delude themselves that like the EU is supposed to be able to do, it can make an exception for the UK and change the rules..... just for the UK ..... or perhaps they have not the honesty to admit in public that they were stupid enough to swallow lies from Farage, Johnson and IDS. After all, it is not as if those three are habitual liars is it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,557 Posted August 25, 2020 19 hours ago, Jools said: Politicians, journalists and deluded Remainiac ***** like Billock, Purplebellender, Herman, BF, Smurfer etc.. can contact us for details, as ever. Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sun 23 Aug 2020 Sweet of you to think of me, Jools, as I have hardly been posting on either of the Brexit threads for quite a while now. But since you're plainly missing me I will make your day by reviving something I originally posted nearly three years ago (doesn't time fly when we're all having so much fun?!) on October 7, 2017: That leading Brexiters (and posters here) have begun to accept staying in the single market won’t happen is evidenced by growing reliance on the fallback claim that a deal with the WTO – something that played little or no part in their campaign arguments – will be just as good. I would like to say there is a solution to this, but I have yet to see one put forward. Which is not surprising. The problem is that Brexiters as a whole voted for two contradictory aims. In crude terms, the referendum is forcing the UK to decide between sovereignty (or at least an idea of sovereignty) and economic health. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,330 Posted August 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Surfer said: We've reached the point with Swindon and Jools and RTB that we'll never convince them their choice, however much they believed in it at the time, was misguided. They will probably go to their graves insisting Brexit was the right policy and everything that happened since then happened because the mission was sabotaged. Like Boers formalizing "living apart" or "apart heid" to preserve their status quo in South Africa, they will never let go. So be it. We'll continue to correct the record and illuminate facts for those who are open minded and the next generation of US and UK voters. Brexit was all about returning sovereignty to the UK, from day one and the British people were smart enough to realise that the European journey was a misguided one. The EU still hasn't accepted the legitimacy of our sovereignty and the Remainers never understood (or didn't want to understand) what sovereignty meant, but most of us did and with crossed fingers we may actually achieve it. Those who have tried to deny us our democratic victory still haven't given up and I suppose even after next year they won't give up, so I'm not yet ready to celebrate our victory but each day that passes brings our goal of freedom that little bit nearer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted August 25, 2020 Blah,blah,blah. It's just boring to the extreme Rocky. We know you've been had,.You're intelligent enough to know you've been had. If you had an ounce of the patriotism you say you have then you would be kicking off too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 25, 2020 4 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: wait and see Japan will complete a deal that goes beyond the EU deal next week ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NFN FC 1,123 Posted August 25, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: No Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 On 24/08/2020 at 22:36, SwindonCanary said: So how come we are after trade free deals with other countries ? When the EU never does that ? any update on that ? or should we just chalk it up as another one of your lies ps we will need to build another wall, given how much chalk the current one has listing your lies Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted August 26, 2020 Do Swindo and Jools realise that the EU is the largest and most comprehensive free trade bloc in the world consisting of 27 separate countries? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T 190 Posted August 26, 2020 10 hours ago, Rock The Boat said: Brexit was all about returning sovereignty to the UK, from day one and the British people were smart enough to realise that the European journey was a misguided one. The EU still hasn't accepted the legitimacy of our sovereignty and the Remainers never understood (or didn't want to understand) what sovereignty meant, but most of us did and with crossed fingers we may actually achieve it. Those who have tried to deny us our democratic victory still haven't given up and I suppose even after next year they won't give up, so I'm not yet ready to celebrate our victory but each day that passes brings our goal of freedom that little bit nearer. Ion has always been understood that sovereignty is just a euphemism for racism. If it it is not then please provide practical rational evidence for the benefits of so called sovereignty because it has an often cited argument yet strangely no brexiteer has ever been able to back it up with anything meaningful 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Herman said: Do Swindon and Jools realise that the EU is the largest and most comprehensive free trade bloc in the world consisting of 27 separate countries? How's it free, when you have to pay millions to be in it ? Edited August 26, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites