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16 hours ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

Was that your comment Swindon?

If you've got nothing better to answer, don't bother !

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14 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Is the US free to change its employment and environmental regulations while it trades with the EU?

Why would the UK expect to be treated differently from the US? Or Canada, Australia, Singapore, Japan, China?

Yes, the government "expects" or at least pretends to expect far better terms from the EU than those countries and a far higher volume of trade.

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Trade expert Dr Kazuhito Yama****a offers a Japanese perspective on the UK-EU trade negotiations, and explains why the UK is in an advantageous position over the EU. He questions the EU’s unequal treatment of the ‘level playing field’, and suggests that the EU is making unreasonable demands of Britain which it did not make of Japan and Canada when it reached FTAs with them.

https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/uk-eu-trade-talks-a-view-from-japan/

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36 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If you've got nothing better to answer, don't bother !

Swindo, you could apply that to yourself too mate 😀👍🏻

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7 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Trade expert Dr Kazuhito Yama****a offers a Japanese perspective on the UK-EU trade negotiations, and explains why the UK is in an advantageous position over the EU. He questions the EU’s unequal treatment of the ‘level playing field’, and suggests that the EU is making unreasonable demands of Britain which it did not make of Japan and Canada when it reached FTAs with them.

https://briefingsforbritain.co.uk/uk-eu-trade-talks-a-view-from-japan/

No wonder you're a mess if you read the ridiculous stuff on 'briefings for britain' and you link RWNJ's on youtube.

 

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39 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

No wonder you're a mess if you read the ridiculous stuff on 'briefings for britain' and you link RWNJ's on youtube.

 

it's coming from Trade expert Dr Kazuhito Yama****a !

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's coming from Trade expert Dr Kazuhito Yama****a !

The original article is nearly two months old and his 'opinions' have been widely debunked but you'll lap it up as it comes from some idiots who describe themselves as 'briefing for britain'.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/16/commentary/world-commentary/u-k-advantage-trade-talks-eu/#.XrPsbZl7nIU

 

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3 hours ago, Bagster said:

No he promised free and frictionless trade but not at all costs.

What are you suggesting, agree to all the EU's demands to gain what? A trade deficit!

We see the Germans and the French have again broken rules on state aid!!! One rule for them and another for the rest

These two countries, the currency manipulator and the protectionist.

No thanks

Nope. No mention of a downside.

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1 hour ago, A Load of Squit said:

The original article is nearly two months old and his 'opinions' have been widely debunked but you'll lap it up as it comes from some idiots who describe themselves as 'briefing for britain'.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2020/03/16/commentary/world-commentary/u-k-advantage-trade-talks-eu/#.XrPsbZl7nIU

 

How can you debunk the opinion of The EU is in a weaker position in other areas of regional trade. In goods, Britain had a surplus of £93.5 billion in 2018 against the EU plus Fishermen from France, the Netherlands, Denmark and other EU members catch 40 percent of the entire EU fisheries haul in Britain’s waters

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Here is your clue to why the discussion is so critical to the EU - just like the US, the EU want to make sure its trading partners do not gut their environmental laws and labor laws to undercut the EU equivalent industries - or if they do the EU will impose tariffs to compensate. So this is why the UK reneging on the “free and frictionless trade” promise is so important - what that means for the British population is higher prices and less product choice, reduced wages and social safety net. 

But hey, if this deliberate strategy means expanded profits for the offshore owners of UK based businesses it’s all good right - as that is who funds the Tories after all? 
 

Fishing is a side show - it’s less than .5% of the economy, the fish the other continental coastline countries catch are not ones we eat anyway and we couldn’t catch them ourselves anyway - not enough UK boast or fisherman. 

 

The level playing field argument is a logic that the United States prefers to use in trade negotiations, based on a selfish and arrogant belief that the U.S. industries will not lose in international competition unless its trading partners employ unfair trading methods. But even the U.S. has only gone so far as to insist that other countries must not give their industries a competitive edge over their American rivals by adopting looser labor or environment regulations that deviate from international norms or standards.

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4 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

How can you debunk the opinion of The EU is in a weaker position in other areas of regional trade. In goods, Britain had a surplus of £93.5 billion in 2018 against the EU plus Fishermen from France, the Netherlands, Denmark and other EU members catch 40 percent of the entire EU fisheries haul in Britain’s waters

Does anyone, @SwindonCanary apart,  still believe this guff?

In case you haven't noticed Swindo, despite what you were told, the EU has steadfastly held to its red lines for over three years. Even to the point that Johnson folded on the WA and accepted a border down the Irish Sea.

They have drafted their legal text, but the UK hasn't (in part because there is no deal that satisfies what you were promised).

Also, in case you haven't noticed the UK's economy is on its knees-the last thing it needs is to threaten trade with its largest trade partner.

The UK now has a choice, we ask for an extension to the transition period or we right off another chunk of our economy.

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5 hours ago, BigFish said:

Does anyone, @SwindonCanary apart,  still believe this guff?

In case you haven't noticed Swindo, despite what you were told, the EU has steadfastly held to its red lines for over three years. Even to the point that Johnson folded on the WA and accepted a border down the Irish Sea.

They have drafted their legal text, but the UK hasn't (in part because there is no deal that satisfies what you were promised).

Also, in case you haven't noticed the UK's economy is on its knees-the last thing it needs is to threaten trade with its largest trade partner.

The UK now has a choice, we ask for an extension to the transition period or we right off another chunk of our economy.

The worlds' economy will be on its knees, you silly sod --- Something to do with a virus and lockdowns I think 🤔🤪😄

As of 2018 we had a total trade surplus (goods & services) of £45.4 billion with the US (Our largest customer) 👍 --- In the same year we had a deficit with Germany (Our second largest customer) of minus £22.6 billion 😮👎

The US is our largest market by far, and we are significant market for the US – much more than for any EU country, including Germany.

We and the US are on the receiving end of a massive trade deficit with Germany and the rest of the EU --- In fact US merchandise trade deficit with the 27 EU countries is a staggering $184 billion as of 2019 -- It's been growing every year and continues to do so.

That deficit of $184 billion is down to the other major EU economies, not to the UK --- Now that the EU has started reporting on statistics for previous years as if the UK had never been a part of the EU, these facts are becoming ever starker.

Forget the EU, SmallFry --- There's going to be deals to lift us out of the **** between two old friends 🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿  👍

 

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25 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Give it month Swindon.... 

A month to what? Witness the mainstream media that you like a mug adhere to become even more untrusted than the governing Party? 🙃

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Are you are including the Mail, Borisgraph, Express and S*n in your description of msm? 

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6 hours ago, Jools said:

A month to what? Witness the mainstream media that you like a mug adhere to become even more untrusted than the governing Party? 🙃

Meanwhile, Jools the sheep hangs off every word of Guido and what the right wing propaganda tells him he should think. It is lambing season after all. Baaaaa baaaaaaa 🐑 🐑 

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9 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Believe this ! Britain still supports Boris

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What are your thoughts on the UK having the worst death rate in Europe - do you think the government is doing a good job? 

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It looks like Boris can do no wrong, even Labour with a new leader have dropped 3% and given it to the Conservatives. Can you explain that ? 

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1 hour ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

What are your thoughts on the UK having the worst death rate in Europe - do you think the government is doing a good job? 

I feel it's to do with the population density here

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Jools said:

The worlds' economy will be on its knees, you silly sod --- Something to do with a virus and lockdowns I think 🤔🤪😄

As of 2018 we had a total trade surplus (goods & services) of £45.4 billion with the US (Our largest customer) 👍 --- In the same year we had a deficit with Germany (Our second largest customer) of minus £22.6 billion 😮👎

The US is our largest market by far, and we are significant market for the US – much more than for any EU country, including Germany.

We and the US are on the receiving end of a massive trade deficit with Germany and the rest of the EU --- In fact US merchandise trade deficit with the 27 EU countries is a staggering $184 billion as of 2019 -- It's been growing every year and continues to do so.

That deficit of $184 billion is down to the other major EU economies, not to the UK --- Now that the EU has started reporting on statistics for previous years as if the UK had never been a part of the EU, these facts are becoming ever starker.

Forget the EU, SmallFry --- There's going to be deals to lift us out of the **** between two old friends 🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿  👍

Someone is supposed to have said "When the facts change, I change my mind" but in the Brexiteers lexicon it is more when the facts change I double down on what I thought the first time. The economy is on its knees and the last thing it needs is another hit, what is your plan to avoid this? Oh, yes the imaginary trade deal with the US calculated to improve UK GDP by less than one fifth of one percent.

Furthermore, you strangely think that trade in goods in the be all or end all of the economy when services are the key. That is why UK GDP is dependent on BOTH imports and exports. In simple terms, and using German cars which is a fixation of the Brexiteers as an example, yes we have a deficit with Germany in trade in vehicles. But those imports support UK dealership networks, adevertising, servicing jobs, feed a second hand market and feed tax income.

There is no sign of a trade deal with the EU or the US that will not further damage the UK economy and to pretend otherwise is beyond ridiculous. Really there is no sign of any trade deals at all. Trump is in a world of pain and may well be gone this year. The virus is sucking energy, key staff and time out of the politics. It is a fantasy to think there will be anything achieved in 2020.

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20 hours ago, Surfer said:

Here is your clue to why the discussion is so critical to the EU - just like the US, the EU want to make sure its trading partners do not gut their environmental laws and labor laws to undercut the EU equivalent industries - or if they do the EU will impose tariffs to compensate. So this is why the UK reneging on the “free and frictionless trade” promise is so important - what that means for the British population is higher prices and less product choice, reduced wages and social safety net. 

But hey, if this deliberate strategy means expanded profits for the offshore owners of UK based businesses it’s all good right - as that is who funds the Tories after all? 
 

Fishing is a side show - it’s less than .5% of the economy, the fish the other continental coastline countries catch are not ones we eat anyway and we couldn’t catch them ourselves anyway - not enough UK boast or fisherman. 

 

The level playing field argument is a logic that the United States prefers to use in trade negotiations, based on a selfish and arrogant belief that the U.S. industries will not lose in international competition unless its trading partners employ unfair trading methods. But even the U.S. has only gone so far as to insist that other countries must not give their industries a competitive edge over their American rivals by adopting looser labor or environment regulations that deviate from international norms or standards.

So now we are getting a little nearer to the truth. The EU is fearful that the non-tariff trade barriers that they have created to protect their internal industries will be shattered by a free and independent UK. They are fearful that this trade will rush to Britain and we will benefit to the detriment of the EU members. Hence their desire to lock us into a srraightjacket.of measures that the covid business has shown that they themselves do not adhere to. 

Anyone can see how ridiculous it would.be for us to accept our economy to be enchained like this. 

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1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

So now we are getting a little nearer to the truth. The EU is fearful that the non-tariff trade barriers that they have created to protect their internal industries will be shattered by a free and independent UK.

Possibly although you still manage to completely misconstrue it - many of the non-tariff trade barriers have been created to guarantee safety, quality and protect consumers.

One obvious example being food - you may be quite happy to eat stuff produced to the appallingly low hygiene standards in the US but most of us would rather not. Even more topical would perhaps be whether you would prefer to have the absolute shambles of the US health care system running big chunks of the NHS - if so then you're completely on your own because I don't think many of even the dumbest Brexiteers are going to sign up to that one.

The non-tariff barriers are there for a variety of reasons, and they are mostly good ones as we are going to find out quite soon as this government shreds our consumer, employment and environmental protections which the EU (with the active participation of previous UK governments) have put in place.

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5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

So now we are getting a little nearer to the truth. The EU is fearful that the non-tariff trade barriers that they have created to protect their internal industries will be shattered by a free and independent UK. They are fearful that this trade will rush to Britain and we will benefit to the detriment of the EU members. Hence their desire to lock us into a srraightjacket.of measures that the covid business has shown that they themselves do not adhere to. 

Anyone can see how ridiculous it would.be for us to accept our economy to be enchained like this. 

No, they have said that you either comply with these regulations, or we will have to place tariffs on your goods.

Pretty standard stuff. So if you want to be unchained, feel free, but you don't get unrestricted access in that case. 

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2 hours ago, Surfer said:

No, they have said that you either comply with these regulations, or we will have to place tariffs on your goods.

Pretty standard stuff. So if you want to be unchained, feel free, but you don't get unrestricted access in that case. 

Britain have been saying they want the same deal as Japan & Canada, but the EU say that we are too close, what's that got to do with it ?

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27 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Britain have been saying they want the same deal as Japan & Canada, but the EU say that we are too close, what's that got to do with it ?

No Britain hasn't, that is just fantasy. Britain hasn't actually bothered to say what it wants.

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2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Britain have been saying they want the same deal as Japan & Canada, but the EU say that we are too close, what's that got to do with it ?

Even if your claim that the EU said that is true, which we'll await evidence for, the fact is the UK is fully integrated into a pan-european common marketplace of trade, finance and services. Canada and Japan, because of distance are not. So yes it would be more of a problem if your neighbor decides to convert their back yard into a pig farm than if someone in a different continent does it. You either agree not to do that, or I will have to build a wall around your property to keep your stink in. It's a very simple concept really.

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10 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Possibly although you still manage to completely misconstrue it - many of the non-tariff trade barriers have been created to guarantee safety, quality and protect consumers.

One obvious example being food - you may be quite happy to eat stuff produced to the appallingly low hygiene standards in the US but most of us would rather not. Even more topical would perhaps be whether you would prefer to have the absolute shambles of the US health care system running big chunks of the NHS - if so then you're completely on your own because I don't think many of even the dumbest Brexiteers are going to sign up to that one.

The non-tariff barriers are there for a variety of reasons, and they are mostly good ones as we are going to find out quite soon as this government shreds our consumer, employment and environmental protections which the EU (with the active participation of previous UK governments) have put in place.

And yet with the stroke of a pen Germany can and did ban outright the export of PPE equipment. .Not just to the rest of the world but to other EU member states, in total disregard of EU rules. 

And you think this is honest, respectful behaviour? That they wouldn't squeeze the life out of the UK if we were ever to give up our sovereignty for a deal?

Germany's refusal to underwrite Italian bonds and its courts decision not to accept EU jurisdiction tells us a lot about where that country's game is at. 

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