The Positive Brexit Thread

[Van wink 2,994]

Do you like a decent pasty Swindon?

[Herman 9,717]

10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I believe it will all be change after Boris has won the election.

Not for the better if you bothered to pay attention. 

[Herman 9,717]

35 minutes ago, Hairy Canary said:

What about chunks?

Nigel don't do chunks. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

9 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Do you like a decent pasty Swindon?

Yes but not a Ginsters a little too much pepper for my taste

[SwindonCanary 455]

6 minutes ago, Herman said:

Not for the better if you bothered to pay attention. 

I am paying attention and we will be out of the god awful EU   👍

[Van wink 2,994]

31 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Yes but not a Ginsters a little too much pepper for my taste

Good man

[Herman 9,717]

34 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

I am paying attention and we will be out of the god awful EU   👍

It would be interesting to know when people like you actually started to hate the EU and what parts seriously affected your life to make you hate the EU.

[Herman 9,717]

 

[Daz Sparks 1,151]

9 hours ago, Herman said:

A rightish tory party?? 

I suppose that's just slightly to the right of National Socialism then?

[Herman 9,717]

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

He was always going to get the student vote, do you know what they plan to do about existing student debt

Probably make tutors work more than three hours a week, thirty eight weeks a year and only 6 years out of seven.

Its like the BBC, They want to save money. So get all their celebrities to do an eight hour day and five day week. Ken Bruce boasting about his eight weeks a year holiday. And he is on for 12 and a half hours a week. And he is a feckin pensioner!

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,181]

5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

sorry CM, but this is complete nonsense. Since the war, the two main parties have dominated the centre ground of politics. It is only since the referendum that these parties have moved away from the centre and that is in response to Brexit which needs a non-centrist, polarising position to resolve it. It is external factors driving the change, it isn't because the system is broken. Parties are moving away from the centre because the voters have moved away from the centre because they see the need to get Brexit done. If you want Brexit - or stop it - then you have to move from the centre ground. There is already a spectrum of smaller parties in between the two main parties, and all those Change UK, Tigers, Tory Remainers sitting in the centre are all going to get wiped out at the next election and we'll end up with a Parliament more closely aligned to what people want. FPTP will deliver that and with a bit of luck the leading party will have an overall majority which will enable them to work. Having to do deals with small factions is what put us into this mess in the first place, we need a majority government to get things done.

I would argue that the SDP/Alliance dominated the centre ground in the early 80's. At one point polling close to 50 per cent in opinion polls, I believe 

At the 1983 election they polled 25%, Labour polled 27% and Labour got something like  x10 the seats

[kick it off 1,948]

3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

Yes but not a Ginsters a little too much pepper for my taste

Too much pepper and not enough imaginary instagram girlfriend

[kick it off 1,948]

Ooooof. De Pfeffel got a right kicking in the leader's questions tonight. Hopefully the people dumb enough to still be listening to him are starting to realise that everytime they do he talks ****. No wonder the Tories are trying to keep him out of the spotlight, he's as bad as the Maybot at this election malarkey.

[Herman 9,717]

29 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Ooooof. De Pfeffel got a right kicking in the leader's questions tonight. Hopefully the people dumb enough to still be listening to him are starting to realise that everytime they do he talks ****. No wonder the Tories are trying to keep him out of the spotlight, he's as bad as the Maybot at this election malarkey.

I missed the "debates" so I thought I'd check twitter. Boy, the Owen Jones's of this world seemed to have taken over it so it's hard to get a non-partisan view, but by all accounts Johnson was as hopeless, lying and evasive as ever.

Also from the more saner twitter reporters it sounds as if Corbyn and Sturgeon did ok, Swinson got a bit of a booting but answered her question and Bruce is not very good as host.

 

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Herman

[kick it off 1,948]

13 minutes ago, Herman said:

I missed the "debates" so I thought I'd check twitter. Boy, the Owen Jones's of this world seemed to have taken over it so it's hard to get a non-partisan view, but by all accounts Johnson was as hopeless, lying and evasive as ever.

Also from the more saner twitter reporters it sounds as if Corbyn and Sturgeon did ok, Swinson got a bit of a booting but answered her question and Bruce is not very good as host.

Bruce not great as host.

Sturgeon was excellent, composed and poised and answered honestly and said it as it is.

Corbyn came across very well, had some tough questions but the audience were willing to hear him out and largely he did a good job of answering them. Also stated he will be neutral if he gets in and takes us to a referendum. Nothing earth-shattering about his performance but solid and direct.

Swinson got a right kicking. To be fair to her, a fair bit of the hostility was directed at the Lib Dems as a whole rather than her but she could not defend her own legacy of voting for austerity and there's no doubt that her revoke policy was/is an absolute disaster. The hardcore remainers were already in the Lib Dem camp so she won nobody new, but she lost an awful lot of the soft remainers. She responded eloquently but I suspect it wasn't enough to stop LD votes bleeding out into other parties after the debate as she really just did not have the answers apart from to say "oops we made some mistakes".

Johnson was an unmitigated disaster. Bumbling over his words, refused to answer questions directly, refused to apologise for various racist comments and for calling gay people "bum boys" and tried to play it down as "I've written lots of words so law of averages suggests some of them would be grossly offensive and discriminatory" which went down like a lead balloon. Audience clearly not buying his **** tonight. Everytime he tried to dodge a question and steer to Brexit the audience shouted him down on it. He got his pants pulled down over the Russia report and called out every time he tried to lie his way out of something. He came across as an out of touch posh-boy **** who falls apart at the hint of scrutiny. Well worth a watch, he was at least as bad as May, if not worse.

Edited November 22, 2019 by kick it off

[kick it off 1,948]

Highlight of the night was the guy who kept the heat on about the Russia report (which Bruce shut down for no obvious reason).

and this woman.

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by kick it off

[Herman 9,717]

Good to see the Russian report isn't being forgotten. It shouldn't be hidden. 

[Rock The Boat 1,326]

11 hours ago, TCCANARY said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/john-mcdonnell-hints-at-legalisation-of-secondary-picketing-and-says-labour-would-give-workers-more-a4293596.html

Shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said his party would allow workers "the right to withdraw their labour" but would not reintroduce secondary picketing.

Secondary picketing - where a picket is set up at a firm not involved in the main strike - was banned in the 1970s under the then Tory Government. 

 

When pushed on whether his pledge meant secondary picketing would be restored under his party, Mr McDonnell told the BBC: "No, no we're not."

RTB remebers the 1970's but does not understand the present.

Another RTB fail.

 

As VW said, on Radio 4 McDonnnell was asked whether secondary picketing would be allowed. He said 'yes'. The full quote is:

 

Asked on BBC Radio 4's Today programme whether Labour would restore secondary picketing, Mr McDonnell said: "We'll make sure that people have the right, as in the ILO (International Labour Organisation) conventions, to withdraw their labour, yes."

[SwindonCanary 455]

Yougov 12-20 Nov

Boris:  43%

Labour: 29%

Libdems 15%

Brexit Party: 4%

Snp: 4%

Green:  3%

Paid: 1%

The leave voters are still in the majority ! Even if you add up all the remainers !

[Herman 9,717]

It will be interesting to see polling after last night's debate.

[BroadstairsR 2,138]

Fodder for the masses. More a television show pony debate than a serious political discussion and it could even have been pre-scripted by anybody who takes the slightest interest in such superficial events. Stereotyping in every sense and therefore quite pointless.

The presenter was too intrusive to the extent that at times it became the Fiona 'What's her name' question time rather than the audience's. However, it didn't matter because most of the audience seemed to have arrived with their various set in stone agendas in any case.

If anybody had their voting intentions changed by that piece of television hype then they have likely not previously involved themselves in the political scene over the last few months to any significant extent.

Sturgeon won it because she had the more limited, singular agenda. She was destined for an easy ride as long as she restrained her fanaticism.  Swinson lost it because she was out of her depth, inevitable when a small party has a small pool of talent to call upon when selecting a leader. Her continual insistence upon claiming to be a credible prime minister was universally ridiculed. That poor lady seems destined to have much egg on her face.

Johnson was Johnson, bumbling and incapable of thinking on his feet and then needing to resort to script.

Corbyn did himself little discredit because he has now become more statesmanlike and has had ample practise in dealing with the obvious critique related to his long-standing and somewhat obnoxious views. He is now well-groomed, but it has taken time. 

In sum, anybody who has had their voting intentions changed by last night's " variety show" would have been better served watching "I'm a celebrity get me out of here." instead.

 

Edited November 23, 2019 by BroadstairsR

[Herman 9,717]

"In sum, anybody who has had their voting intentions changed by last night's " variety show" would have been better served watching "I'm a celebrity get me out of here." instead."

Unfortunately a large proportion of people that need to review their voting intentions probably were already.

People like Cummings know that you only have to persuade a smal percentage of people to change their minds to swing a vote in their favour. They are not interested in the die hard party faithfuls but the floating voters. These sort of shows are good for turning people onto their side. They may seem unimportant and dull but they do serve a purpose.

[ricardo 7,347]

51 minutes ago, BroadstairsR said:

 

In sum, anybody who has had their voting intentions changed by last night's " variety show" would have been better served watching "I'm a celebrity get me out of here." instead.

 

Good to hear that I didn't miss anything.

Those that haven't made their minds up long ago are obviously the disengaged. These programmes are just political theatre.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Trouble is Broadstairs, if people had any adherence to their principles or beliefs, we would probably have had a Tory government for the last 100 years.

But people vote for what they think is best for them at the time. And so we keep having this swing of parties. And of course now even more parties than ever.

And while I adhere to no vote is wasted, I must say the right to vote is wasted on many.

What I will say is, the media call it theatre when Johnson is mullahed, but it is the real truth dragged out  or indicative of their incompetence when it happens to Johnson.

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,181]

What is it with elections that makes people feel the need to take to social media and show the world exactly how stupid they are?

 

Edited November 23, 2019 by How I Wrote Elastic Man

[Yellow Fever 3,749]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

"In sum, anybody who has had their voting intentions changed by last night's " variety show" would have been better served watching "I'm a celebrity get me out of here." instead."

Unfortunately a large proportion of people that need to review their voting intentions probably were already.

People like Cummings know that you only have to persuade a smal percentage of people to change their minds to swing a vote in their favour. They are not interested in the die hard party faithfuls but the floating voters. These sort of shows are good for turning people onto their side. They may seem unimportant and dull but they do serve a purpose.

It's more that people like Cummings (and Trump come to that) realized that you can appeal to the lowest common denominator to win - the truth be damned. 

Edited November 23, 2019 by Yellow Fever

[Jools 584]

4 hours ago, Herman said:

It will be interesting to see polling after last night's debate.

(NC)  🙃

[Jools 584]

After 10 years, EU manages trade deal for just 1.6% of EU27 goods exports

[Jools 584]

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