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I don't think they care Surfer. So long as their team wins any evidence proving their team is corrupt as **** will be ignored. (Even the Times artcle is tucked away on their website.) (I have one attempt to post it up here before Nginx goes mental again.)

No mention of it on the BBC website. Has Boris put a D notice on it?

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As someone else pointed out, the anti-establisment, anti-elite candidate Johnson is sure getting a lot of help from the establishment and elites. It's as if they are scamming the country again.....

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So the Tories have worked out the cost of a Labour Government's policies... before they are announced

but cannot cost their own even though they know what they are !

 

Meanwhile the dimwitted stick insect, out canvssing with the Tory youth wing, demonstrates his 'pride' in wearing a poppy - stuffed in his flies.

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11 hours ago, Herman said:

I don't think they care Surfer. So long as their team wins any evidence proving their team is corrupt as **** will be ignored. (Even the Times artcle is tucked away on their website.) (I have one attempt to post it up here before Nginx goes mental again.)

 

"Nine Russian business people who gave money to the Conservative Party are named in a secret intelligence report on the threats posed to UK democracy which was suppressed last week by Downing Street.

Oligarchs and other wealthy Tory donors were included in the report on illicit Russian activities in Britain by the cross-party intelligence and security select committee (ISC), whose publication was blocked by No 10.

Some Russian donors are personally close to the prime minister. Alexander Temerko, who has worked for the Kremlin’s defence ministry and has spoken warmly about his “friend” Boris Johnson, has gifted more than £1.2m to the Conservatives over the past seven years.

MPs on the ISC, which conducted an 18-month inquiry, were also briefed on Alexander Lebedev, the former KGB spy in London whom the last Labour government allowed to buy the London Evening Standard newspaper.

Lebedev’s son Evgeny invited Johnson when he was foreign secretary to parties at the family’s converted castle near Perugia, Italy. The future prime minister apparently travelled without the close-protection police officers that normally accompany senior ministers of state during the trip in April 2018.

The largest Russian Tory donor is Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of Vladimir Chernukhin, a former ally of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin. She paid £160,000 in return for a tennis match with Johnson and has donated more than £450,000 in the last year alone.

Britain’s intelligence agencies are understood to be “furious” at the delay in releasing the report because measures to protect sensitive information have already been taken.

It is not known whether the Tory donors are named in the public section of the report, or whether they have been included in its confidential annex, which will remain classified indefinitely.

The government’s argument that it needs more time to redact information has been dismissed by the former cabinet secretary Lord Butler, Lord Ricketts, a former national security adviser, and Lord Anderson, the former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation.

Last week, Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, told MPs the delay was “utterly unjustifiable, unprecedented and clearly politically motivated”. She added: “I fear it is because they realise that this report will lead to other questions about the links between Russia and Brexit and the current leadership of the Tory party, which risks derailing their election campaign. What is Downing Street so worried about?”

Thornberry also raised a whistleblower’s claims regarding “relationships” that Johnson’s chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, made during the “mysterious three years he spent in post-communist Russia”. She said the Downing Street chief of staff allegedly met Vladislav Surkov, who is known as the “grey cardinal” of the Kremlin and has close links to Russia’s security agencies.

In the Commons, Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, said last week that he would not comment on security clearances, but denied the “insinuation” that No 10 was “in the grip of a Kremlin mole”

In a letter to Thornberry last week, Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, also did not deny the unusual arrangement. “Classified information, especially intelligence, is made available only to those with the appropriate security clearance,” he wrote. “This applies to Mr Cummings and his access is appropriate for someone in his role.”

A Conservative Party spokesman said: “We cannot speculate on what may or may not be in a leaked parliamentary report.”

Andrew Gwynne, a Labour parliamentary candidate, said: “Billionaires fund the Conservative Party, so this sordid cover-up shouldn’t be surprising. The Tories blocked this report and oppose tax transparency so their billionaire backers can continue to rip us off unchallenged.

“Labour is on the side of the many, not the few, so we’ll get dirty money out of politics, introduce an oligarch levy and take on the vested interests selling out our people and public services."

And just to add another likely suppression of Johnson's dodginess.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/09/boris-johnson-jennifer-arcuri-iopc-delay-announcement-investigation

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😀 You harp on about Brexiteers being xenophobes, yet here you are again being xenophobic where Russians are concerned.

The Russian born donors are British citizens and more than entitled to donate to any British political party they want to, you tiresome, hypocritical, Lefty xenophobe.

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59 minutes ago, Bill said:

So the Tories have worked out the cost of a Labour Government's policies... before they are announced

but cannot cost their own even though they know what they are !

The trouble is that Labour fully intends to spend too much if they get into power -- The conservatives are just saying they'll spend shedloads in order to avoid appearing miserly by comparison (they desperately want to avoid accusations of likely austerity) and so hand the election to the opposition -- If you really believe the Tories will actually spend what they promise then you are naive to say the least.

The conservatives will always find a get-out clause once they are in power.

 

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12 minutes ago, Herman said:

Still a complete **** I see, Jools.

Still, as ignorant as ever, I see, Hermione.

What's your gripe with the Russian people?

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No gripe with the Russian people. The government of Putin and his gangster cronies, who have robbed the Russian people blind btw, I have a massive problem with. And if you are not worried about the influence they have over our leaders then you are a bigger **** than I thought.

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The Russian born donors are British citizens and more than entitled to donate to any British political party they want to, you tiresome, hypocritical, Lefty xenophobe.

Are Rooskies Lefties Jool? They used to be the Red peril. Now they live in St John's Wood and donate to the Tories they are acceptable? 

Alexander Temerko: Temerko fled to London shortly after he was examined by criminal investigators in October 2004.[18] In May 2005, Russian prosecutors charged Temerko with having stolen shares in the oil company Yeniseineftegaz, forgery, and perverting the course of justice.

Lubov Chernukhin: Ruled as an impermissable donor 7 years ago. What has changed?

Sergey Nabolin: Visa revoked in 2015 and sent back to Russia as British government believed he was a Spy.

You really will bend over for any length won't you.

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2 hours ago, Jools said:

Still, as ignorant as ever, I see, Hermione.

What's your gripe with the Russian people?

there's a surprise

you twisting the point so it is one of Herman having a gripe with "the Russian people", rather than it being about Russian money

if I didn't know better .............. 🤔

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"Boris Johnson's Conservative Party has received a surge in cash from nine Russian donors, who have been named in a suppressed investigation into Russia's attempts to undermine democracy in the UK.

The report by Parliament's Intelligence and Security Committee identifies close links between major donors to the Conservative party and the Russian government, the Sunday Times reports.

The report was due for publication this week but was blocked by Johnson, due to reported fears that the information would damage his chances of winning the upcoming UK general election. "

of course all this could be 'fake news, project fear...baa baa' and the Sunday Times is really a pro Corbyn mouthpiece intent on bringing down poor Bertie

which would beg the question of why isn't the report being published and so exonerate the hapless buffoon

why has there also been a need to hide the investigations (Arcuri) into the misfeasance in public office.....ones that some poor senile old duffer on here thought had been closed with Johnson being found not guilty - rather in the way when a case is moved from a magistrates cort to a crown court the accused is judged innocent I suppose 🤪

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39 minutes ago, Bill said:

there's a surprise

you twisting the point so it is one of Herman having a gripe with "the Russian people", rather than it being about Russian money

if I didn't know better .............. 🤔

 

😀 As you've probably noticed, Billock -- I don't post much on here recently -- that's because I don't have to as a little bit of you Lefty blowhards dies every time you press the post button 😎

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No, it's because you've been proved wrong time after time after time and you're too cowardly to hold your hands up and apologise. 

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10 hours ago, Jools said:

 

😀 As you've probably noticed, Billock -- I don't post much on here recently -- that's because I don't have to as a little bit of you Lefty blowhards dies every time you press the post button 😎

Oh that's why is it? I just assumed it was because you feel like a bit of a bumbling wombat after your championing of Farage who turned out to be the biggest coward in politics and your waving the banner for a Halloween exit that never came to pass.

But it hasn't got anything to do with you feeling a little foolish?

Really?

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11 hours ago, Jools said:

 

😀 As you've probably noticed, Billock -- I don't post much on here recently -- that's because I don't have to as a little bit of you Lefty blowhards dies every time you press the post button 😎

I thought Guido had shut down.

 

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Some helpful guidelines on voting from the Daily Mash. 👍😂

Are you too thick to vote?

THE election is underway, but are you too bloodyminded and ill-informed to vote sensibly? Check you’re not one of these people.

You really do know f**k all

If your political knowledge is close to zero, you probably believe very odd things, eg. it’s totally wrong that Margaret Thatcher isn’t allowed to come back and sort out Brexit. Or that MPs are all the children of the Queen. For the sake of democracy, consider not voting.

You just hate other people

You are the only decent, hard-working person in Britain, and everyone else is a parasite. Ask yourself whether it is normal to believe police officers lead a pampered, lazy existence or knackered 25-year-old teachers are constantly cackling over their ‘gold-plated pensions’.  

The ‘just get Brexit done’ brigade

Weirdly, this now includes dense Remainers who are impatient about anything boring and complicated. It’s like going to the dentist to have a tooth rebuilt and saying, “Nah, just pull ‘em all out and and let’s go straight onto the dentures.”

All your opinions are from the tabloids

If your main political opinions are ‘BOG OFF COMMUNIST CORBYN!’ or ‘Lib DUMB-ocrats!’ you may be spending too long reading tabloids. Switch to a more responsible paper like the Daily Star, which contains very little propaganda due to it just being sh*te about Love Island.

You believe everything is moronically simple

Farage is a good bloke who speaks his mind. So just make him prime minister, right? If you’re asked how this would work legally or democratically, just say “It’s all b*llocks” and get another pint.

Apples

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1 minute ago, Mr Apples said:

Some helpful guidelines on voting from the Daily Mash. 👍😂

Are you too thick to vote?

THE election is underway, but are you too bloodyminded and ill-informed to vote sensibly? Check you’re not one of these people.

You really do know f**k all

If your political knowledge is close to zero, you probably believe very odd things, eg. it’s totally wrong that Margaret Thatcher isn’t allowed to come back and sort out Brexit. Or that MPs are all the children of the Queen. For the sake of democracy, consider not voting.

You just hate other people

You are the only decent, hard-working person in Britain, and everyone else is a parasite. Ask yourself whether it is normal to believe police officers lead a pampered, lazy existence or knackered 25-year-old teachers are constantly cackling over their ‘gold-plated pensions’.  

The ‘just get Brexit done’ brigade

Weirdly, this now includes dense Remainers who are impatient about anything boring and complicated. It’s like going to the dentist to have a tooth rebuilt and saying, “Nah, just pull ‘em all out and and let’s go straight onto the dentures.”

All your opinions are from the tabloids

If your main political opinions are ‘BOG OFF COMMUNIST CORBYN!’ or ‘Lib DUMB-ocrats!’ you may be spending too long reading tabloids. Switch to a more responsible paper like the Daily Star, which contains very little propaganda due to it just being sh*te about Love Island.

You believe everything is moronically simple

Farage is a good bloke who speaks his mind. So just make him prime minister, right? If you’re asked how this would work legally or democratically, just say “It’s all b*llocks” and get another pint.

Apples

Remember the days when something like this would be considered satire, rather than a realistic commentary of politics today?

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Farage concedes if he puts up 600 candidates there will be a hung parliament. The Brexit Party are standing down in 317 seats but will continue to fight Labour… 

Farage claims Boris promising not to extend the transition period was a turning point, in addition to Boris promising a Canada deal without political alignment.

 
 

 

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1 minute ago, Jools said:

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Farage concedes if he puts up 600 candidates there will be a hung parliament. The Brexit Party are standing down in 317 seats but will continue to fight Labour… 

Farage claims Boris promising not to extend the transition period was a turning point, in addition to Boris promising a Canada deal without political alignment.

 
 

 

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That's the General Election won, then. Well done Sir Nige.

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17 minutes ago, Jools said:

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Farage concedes if he puts up 600 candidates there will be a hung parliament. The Brexit Party are standing down in 317 seats but will continue to fight Labour… 

Farage claims Boris promising not to extend the transition period was a turning point, in addition to Boris promising a Canada deal without political alignment.

 
 

 

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Cluck, cluck, cluck!!!

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9 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Clucky Nora was one of City 1st's many disguises, if I remember correctly.

Whereas Farage isn't even disguising his lack of a spine.

Is that why you keyboard warriors love him so much? He validates your own lack of courage?

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8 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Cluck, cluck, cluck!!!

Said the Lefty, Labour, Remainiac chicken who never wanted a GE for fear of losing it 😀

And now Sir Nigel of Farage has made it an absolute certainty that your fears are upheld 😎

He deserves a peerage 👍

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3 minutes ago, Jools said:

Said the Lefty, Labour, Remainiac chicken who never wanted a GE for fear of losing it 😀

And now Sir Nigel of Farage has made it an absolute certainty that your fears are upheld 😎

He deserves a peerage 👍

Sir Nige has shown great courage and put country before party. 

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The Brexit Party's polling is so poor that Farage has abandoned any attempt at being credible.

None of the polsters believe they'll make much difference, 9% shouldn't even get you on the TV debates.

 

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