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20 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Long way to go BF but the poll of polls shows a clear pattern at this stage.

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I really don't think the polls mean much at present. Only today for instance has Farage started attacking Johnson's deal and sell out etc.  Give it least a week to see how any of the parties ploys plays out.

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6 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

I really don't think the polls mean much at present. Only today for instance has Farage started attacking Johnson's deal and sell out etc.  Give it least a week to see how any of the parties ploys plays out.

Absolutely, far more variables than in a “normal” election makes the margin for error pretty big imo, I guess the best thing you can get from them is trends

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3 hours ago, ricardo said:

Unfortunately for you that isn't on the ballot paper.😉

Funny that one Ricky isn't it? We can't possibly have another referendum because we voted to Leave 3 years ago but we have to have another General Election, despite voting for the current parliament just 2 years ago .... because.... ermmmm.... democracy? If you think about it objectively, it literally makes zero sense and totally undermines the 2nd referendum debate.

We have to have another vote 2 years on from the last one, to sort out who deals with the fallout from a referendum won by a tiny majority we had 3 years ago, that we're not allowed another vote on despite public opinion quite likely switching to the opposite result. The winner of the vote we are allowed a do-over on, will likely get the support of 30-35% of the electorate, to carry out a mandate of 52% 3 years ago, who would now lose by a heavier margin but we're not allowed to cast that vote again because we already voted. Logical.

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With the annual death rate of about 600,000, in the three years since the referendum that 1.2m may not be valid anymore Jools..... our government Is for the living is what I say. 

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It will be the living that vote in the election (apart from the some of the postal votes), time to accept the outcome and move on.

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Time to accept that you failed badly rather than drag this sorry arsed excuse for democracy on for another decade. 

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So, when there is a referendum the result is advisory because we have a parliamentary democracy. Then if we vote in a parliament that wants to implement the referendum result we need to have another one in case we have changed our minds and we want to advise parliament not to implement it?

right got it! 

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23 minutes ago, Herman said:

Time to accept that you failed badly rather than drag this sorry arsed excuse for democracy on for another decade. 

I will accept the election result whoever wins and whatever manifesto they run on.

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Good. Let's hope the LibDems win and throw Brexit in with the rubbish with all the other uselss crap we don't need.

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3 minutes ago, Herman said:

Good. Let's hope the LibDems win and throw Brexit in with the rubbish with all the other uselss crap we don't need.

Not the recycling bin😉

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Blimey! This is Workington, ffs! A Labour town through & through 👇

 

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20 hours ago, Surfer said:

With the annual death rate of about 600,000, in the three years since the referendum that 1.2m may not be valid anymore Jools..... our government Is for the living is what I say. 

So what's the point of having a fixed time election ?

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40 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

So what's the point of having a fixed time election ?

It was a LibDem demand when they entered the 2010 coalition with David Cameron. 

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6 hours ago, Jools said:

Blimey! This is Workington, ffs! A Labour town through & through 👇

 

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Some more background on the Workington poll

 

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22 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

 

Hancock is to maths what Johnson is to the truth and what Raab is to geography.

 

It's strange, the backlash from Hancock's numerical faux pas doesn't seem quite on par with Diane Abbott's. 

Can't think why. Maybe RTB can tell me? 

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6 minutes ago, Herman said:

Blimey, this is Sunderland, a leave voting area through and through.🤣

 
 
 
 

9 and half thousand people voted. That's a lot more than the 506 in the Workington survey.  🤣

 

 

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Oh, those Russians.🤣

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-asks-about-dominic-cummings-years-working-in-russia-vl6d0w62z

Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s most senior adviser, is facing questions from Labour over his past activities in Russia after a whistleblower came forward to raise “serious concerns” about the three years Cummings spent there after graduating from university.

The whistleblower has approached senior Labour politicians to raise questions about the “relationships” that Boris Johnson’s chief of staff may have developed with people involved in “politics, intelligence and security” when he worked in Russia between 1994 and 1997.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, has written to her Tory counterpart, Dominic Raab, to ask what level of security clearance Cummings was granted when he joined Johnson in Downing Street in July.

In the letter, which has been copied to Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary and national security adviser, as well as the heads of MI5 and MI6, Thornberry asked whether Cummings has been “developed vetted” (DV), which would grant him access to the government’s most sensitive intelligence.

Vetting of people applying to work in government posts involves a detailed interview by security officials looking for anything that might compromise them. The checks involve a review of intelligence databases, personal finances and cross-examination of referees, who could include friends and family.

Thornberry asked whether Cummings's past raises “concerns” about him being granted “access to the highest levels of classified material, or given such high levels of influence over UK government policy”.

She added: “I feel duty-bound to put to you the concerns raised with the Labour front bench by a whistleblower whose motives we have no cause to question.”

A Whitehall source with knowledge of the vetting process said Cummings, who is in overall charge of government strategy, had been awarded DV status by the Cabinet Office. However, the source also claimed that officials still prevent Johnson’s de facto chief of staff from seeing some aspects of government business.

The Cabinet Office said: “We do not comment on individuals’ security clearance.”

The news comes as Downing Street is accused of sitting on a parliamentary report on the security threat posed by Russia to the UK, which examined allegations that Kremlin-sponsored activity distorted the result of the 2016 EU referendum. Cummings masterminded the Vote Leave campaign.

Dominic Grieve MP, chairman of the cross-party intelligence and security committee, said he had expected Johnson to approve publication of the 50-page dossier by last week — and there was now a risk it would not emerge before the general election.

He said: “What has absolutely astonished me is the mendacity of the response from the No 10 press office, which I do take to be linked to Cummings. They have come up with a series of utterly bogus explanations why it can’t be published now, and they really are whopping lies.”

In her letter, Thornberry also asks whether Cummings was questioned about his relationships with members of the group Conservative Friends of Russia, which his Vote Leave co-founder Matthew Elliott had links to.

Elliott attended one of its receptions and went on a 10-day trip to the country organised by the group, which aimed to strengthen relations between Britain and Russia.

However, it was quickly shut down when it emerged that its diplomatic contact at the Russian embassy, Sergey Nalobin, had family ties to Russia’s intelligence agencies. Nalobin later left the UK.

Cummings declined to comment.

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41 minutes ago, Herman said:

Blimey, this is Sunderland, a leave voting area through and through.🤣

 
 
 
 
 
Just as an aside, this is how the Echo reported their own poll. I'm not sure how they got to this??

That’s a weird report by the Echo. What’s gorn on?

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It is very poor. I am going to write a very stern letter to the editor. Mostly in green ink and blood.🤣

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