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1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

You lost the referendum and now we are clearing up the mess you Remainers left behind. It's taken us three and a haf years to get here and we kindly ask you to FO so that the adults can get to work delivering Brexit. 

And BTW, Brexit is going to happen

Calm down potty mouth. A man in your condition shouldn’t be getting so stressed.

When do you think we’ll Brexit then? You lot have been telling us it will DEFINITELY happen for years now: 29 March, 30 June and 31st October and still no sign of it.

 

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Just now, Bill said:

With the huge numbers registering to vote and such campaigns as ' #FckBoris ' in London 1278772.jpeg

 

with Best for Britain has launched GetVoting.org

 

the bigots seem to be 'caught in the headlights' as they were in 2017 when they were still trusting outdated polling and depending upon a rightwing media.....that was merely preaching to the convered, hence some of those relics from a bygone ear talking about a 100 seat majority for the Tories

The reality is that Lib Dems/Lab swapping votes will reduce the number of Tories elected where as the Tories/brexit Company swapping votes will err.......... reduce the number of Tories elected

And as was shown by Survation in 2017 it was those who firmly stated they were going to vote that gave the closer figure of the final result than the previous polling method of asking who will you vote for. 

It will be far more about who will get their vote out' than how many are dim enough to believe the lies of either Johnson or Farage. So bookmark this page and see what did happen come Dec 13th 

Strangely it feels like Brexit could have a polarising effect on supporting the Tories who are well into that stage of goverment where voters just want to get out whoever is in power. Talk of change and progress is nothing new, but again political engagement through exasperation is high and that will bring out the voters. A hung parliment with a well balanced out spread of seats with the Tories slightly ahead.

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15 minutes ago, Bill said:

where the rest of the 'western world is investing in education the Tories have been cutting back, as they have with the NHS, the Forces, the Fire service etc... all the while selling off public assets cheaply

Free tuition at public universities - as done in Germany, or minimal tuition for Science & Technology subjects - like €2,000 per year in Holland : the country can afford it; and the country needs to do it to create the skilled workforce it needs to compete globally. 

And doing that will help the housing market and the general economy too - as money not spent on repaying tuition loans can be spend somewhere else. 

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11 minutes ago, Herman said:

get people on the ladder

That is rather the cause of the proble, people want secure and affordable housing, ladders do not provide that, and if what is meant by that rather offensive expression is that somehow where you live is a means to gain wealth then that explains my point

We should be talking about decent housing, pointing out that so much of the immigration is down to a poor supply of housing meaning so many in the UK are unable to move to where there is work

Where so much is being sponged off the state by landords charging housing benefit at absurd rates whilst not maintaining the standard of their property

If this was a prvate ambulance service that charged up to three times the cost of the previous public provision yet served up vehicles without insurance, road tax, no MOT, rarely serviced and driven by convicted drink drivers there would be outrage - yet here we have a situation that perfecttly underpins that 'get on a ladder' mentality... own a few of these ratholes and talk about your 'portfolio'

Check how much council property is now being rented back at exhorbitant costs from private landlords - who are on a ladder we are told..........the economics of the madhouse backed by the not too bright who imagine that a few crumbs might fall their way and to hell with future generations

" Over 35 per cent of Hackney properties sold under the Right To Buy scheme are now privately let, according to a report by Tom Copley AM (Lab, Londonwide). "

" “It is clear that nearly forty years on, the long-term consequences of Right To Buy have not built a property-owning utopia, but have instead concentrated a significant portion of state-funded assets into the ownership of private landlords. "

What is not explained to the brexit dimwits is how much of ex council housing stock is now owned throught a myriad of offshore companies that draw a substantial income off local councils through housing benefit.

the same with the suposed 'share owning democracy' that offered small bribes to the hard of thinking so that public assets could be handed over to private concerns. “The energy market is owned by the French government mainly, your railways are owned by the Dutch and German government and the Royal Mail's part-owned by the German government so they are state-owned, [it’s] just not Great Britain that owns them.”

And the UK government is paying more in subsidies to the privatised railways than before - that are now owned by German state Railway !

And the brexiteers bleat that the real problem is British fish not having British passports.... just how thick are they ?

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Lastest figures I've seen for EU expenditure by Country on education 2017 shows an average of around 4.6 % of GDP,  which is about what the UK figure was.

 

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11 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Free tuition at public universities - as done in Germany, or minimal tuition for Science & Technology subjects - like €2,000 per year in Holland : the country can afford it; and the country needs to do it to create the skilled workforce it needs to compete globally. 

And doing that will help the housing market and the general economy too - as money not spent on repaying tuition loans can be spend somewhere else. 

Why when skilled workers can be brought into the country without the cost of training those born here....and then encourage them to think the problem is the overseas workers not the lack of provision from a government who has little but contempt for them ?

"master knows best"

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10 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Chico, Gummo, Groucho, Zeppo or Harpo?

Steptoe and Harold, place is full of comedians.

 

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It looks like the tories are pushing out all the moderate conseratives and are going full blown Blukip. If you are happy voting for this then good luck.

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Just now, Herman said:

It looks like the tories are pushing out all the moderate conseratives and are going full blown Blukip. If you are happy voting for this then good luck.

as long as they intend to 'send back' all those brown faces you won't see the udual suspects on here complaining

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7 minutes ago, Herman said:

It looks like the tories are pushing out all the moderate conseratives and are going full blown Blukip. If you are happy voting for this then good luck.

Moderates are leaving both main parties. A sad sign of the times.

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

what about dualling the A11, or allowing residents in France to vote in a referendum ?

finding Len or The Nightfly

maybe installing a cardiac unit at Stansted or introducing a campsite motion

allow euthenasia for the senile (brexiteers)

or simply speed up the investigation and prosecution of Johnson.......

.....as I have money on him being send down before Trump. and after today it looks like Trump is even further in front 😕

Bill sez: Brexit ain't gonna happen.

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

With the huge numbers registering to vote and such campaigns as ' #FckBoris ' in London 1278772.jpeg

 

with Best for Britain has launched GetVoting.org

 

the bigots seem to be 'caught in the headlights' as they were in 2017 when they were still trusting outdated polling and depending upon a rightwing media.....that was merely preaching to the convered, hence some of those relics from a bygone ear talking about a 100 seat majority for the Tories

The reality is that Lib Dems/Lab swapping votes will reduce the number of Tories elected where as the Tories/brexit Company swapping votes will err.......... reduce the number of Tories elected

And as was shown by Survation in 2017 it was those who firmly stated they were going to vote that gave the closer figure of the final result than the previous polling method of asking who will you vote for.

It will be far more about who will get their vote out' than how many are dim enough to believe the lies of either Johnson or Farage. So bookmark this page and see what did happen come Dec 13th

Vote Boris. Get 40 new hospitals, 20,000 more police. You know it makes sense

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3 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Vote Boris. Get 40 new hospitals, 20,000 more police. You know it makes sense

Fixed it for you -

It's 6 refurbished hospitals, and a promise to replace 20,000 police they previously cut. 

If you kept your eyes open you might just realize you have been duped. 

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

Good distraction. Got kinda used to that over the last few years.

Policies that could be popular rather than populist.

A large scale programme of house building, especially genuinely affordable and social housing. This'll take the housing market out of the hands of a small percentage of people, get people on the ladder and bring the cost of living down. It will also boost sales in shops and create more jobs.

Reverse tory cuts to police and social services that may help bring down violent and other types of crime.

Same as schooling.

Fund and run our NHS better. Fund the training of nurses maybe bringing back buraries.

Large investment in sustainable and green energies.

Scrap HS2 but divert money into funding better rail links in the north.

Work to stop the north south divide getting larger. Make it attractive for companies to relocate up there. Find ways to stop the money simply diverting to the south east.

Put inheritance tax on farm land, but only on large scale farms. Stop British land from being owned by offshore tax havens. Repeal any and all land enclosure acts over the centuries. Give land back to the people it was taken from.(This one is never likely, but it would be funny to see some faces if this came up in Parliament.)

Start up Leveson 2.

I'll think of others.........

 

 

So you want to destroy farming in this country and Norfolk in particular. Well done metropolitan elites.

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

 

that and much else, is why so much of the next 6 weeks will be focussed on building for the future not living in the past

Is that a future in or out of the EU?

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1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

So you want to destroy farming in this country and Norfolk in particular. Well done metropolitan elites.

Inheritance tax does not destroy farms. 

A FTA with no tariffs on food imports certainly would - you backed that idea didn't you?  

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2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Is that a future in or out of the EU?

There can be a future either way, but you don't build a future by going back to the 1950's. Or the 1850's for that matter. 

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58 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Free tuition at public universities - as done in Germany, or minimal tuition for Science & Technology subjects - like €2,000 per year in Holland : the country can afford it; and the country needs to do it to create the skilled workforce it needs to compete globally. 

And doing that will help the housing market and the general economy too - as money not spent on repaying tuition loans can be spend somewhere else. 

Sounds like something the LibDems would make as the main plank of their manifesto. And then renege upon once they got into Government. Could we trust the LibDems again? I wouldn't

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50 minutes ago, Bill said:

That is rather the cause of the proble, people want secure and affordable housing, ladders do not provide that, and if what is meant by that rather offensive expression is that somehow where you live is a means to gain wealth then that explains my point

We should be talking about decent housing, pointing out that so much of the immigration is down to a poor supply of housing meaning so many in the UK are unable to move to where there is work

Where so much is being sponged off the state by landords charging housing benefit at absurd rates whilst not maintaining the standard of their property

If this was a prvate ambulance service that charged up to three times the cost of the previous public provision yet served up vehicles without insurance, road tax, no MOT, rarely serviced and driven by convicted drink drivers there would be outrage - yet here we have a situation that perfecttly underpins that 'get on a ladder' mentality... own a few of these ratholes and talk about your 'portfolio'

Check how much council property is now being rented back at exhorbitant costs from private landlords - who are on a ladder we are told..........the economics of the madhouse backed by the not too bright who imagine that a few crumbs might fall their way and to hell with future generations

" Over 35 per cent of Hackney properties sold under the Right To Buy scheme are now privately let, according to a report by Tom Copley AM (Lab, Londonwide). "

" “It is clear that nearly forty years on, the long-term consequences of Right To Buy have not built a property-owning utopia, but have instead concentrated a significant portion of state-funded assets into the ownership of private landlords. "

What is not explained to the brexit dimwits is how much of ex council housing stock is now owned throught a myriad of offshore companies that draw a substantial income off local councils through housing benefit.

the same with the suposed 'share owning democracy' that offered small bribes to the hard of thinking so that public assets could be handed over to private concerns. “The energy market is owned by the French government mainly, your railways are owned by the Dutch and German government and the Royal Mail's part-owned by the German government so they are state-owned, [it’s] just not Great Britain that owns them.”

And the UK government is paying more in subsidies to the privatised railways than before - that are now owned by German state Railway !

And the brexiteers bleat that the real problem is British fish not having British passports.... just how thick are they ?

When a government starts tackling immigration then there will be housing a'plenty.

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48 minutes ago, Bill said:

Why when skilled workers can be brought into the country without the cost of training those born here....and then encourage them to think the problem is the overseas workers not the lack of provision from a government who has little but contempt for them ?

"master knows best"

Sounds like someone else want to put a brake on immigration.

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25 minutes ago, Herman said:

It looks like the tories are pushing out all the moderate conseratives and are going full blown Blukip. If you are happy voting for this then good luck.

When you need to drain the swamp, start with your own backyard. Seems the right thing to do.

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7 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

So you want to destroy farming in this country and Norfolk in particular. Well done metropolitan elites.

Not at all. Just a way to stop very rich people banking land for tax purposes, like James Dyson. And as a few brexiters are working with big sugar, if you let them get what they want they will destroy the sugar beet industry, a large money maker in Norfolk and East Anglia. So a tad hypocritical of you.

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7 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Inheritance tax does not destroy farms. 

A FTA with no tariffs on food imports certainly would - you backed that idea didn't you?  

Inheritance tax would lead to the selling off of farmland, destruction of the countryside and the breakdown of some of the most efficient farming in the world. Only a lunatic leftie from London would fail to see that.

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4 minutes ago, Herman said:

Not at all. Just a way to stop very rich people banking land for tax purposes, like James Dyson. And as a few brexiters are working with big sugar, if you let them get what they want they will destroy the sugar beet industry, a large money maker in Norfolk and East Anglia. So a tad hypocritical of you.

You squeal at the thought of the NHS being sold off to the Americans but you have no problem selling our farming industry to them. You haven't thought this through is the kindest way I can put it.

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3 minutes ago, KiwiScot said:

Wait. Debates get won here?

Only by me and anyone debating /arguing with RTB, Jools and Swindon.😀

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