BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: I see, to you lot the government are always wrong, Can you think of a party that would do it better ? SKS would handle it better 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 8, 2020 big fish comes up with something to laugh at, whilst Hoola hoops gets out of it by calling me names = poor effort Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted April 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: big fish comes up with something to laugh at, whilst Hoola hoops gets out of it by calling me names = poor effort Please point out where I called you names. That’s another LIE. I’ts a shame you don’t have a higher IQ and mental age, then we could have a proper adult conversation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) And yet Swindo has made no effort to discuss his views on the Government’s response to the Coronavirus crisis or arguments to defend his thoughts = poor effort. Edited April 8, 2020 by Hoola Han Solo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 8, 2020 Not listening to the virus specialist is a poor effort Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: Not listening to the virus specialist is a poor effort Do you think the government has made mistakes? Explain yourself for once Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hoola Han Solo said: Do you think the government has made mistakes? Explain yourself for once no, they listened to the experts its you lot that are saying it was wrong. Edited April 8, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: big fish comes up with something to laugh at, whilst Hoola hoops gets out of it by calling me names = poor effort Really? SKS has already skewered the government over the lack of a plan to end the lockdown. Still, we shouldn't be surprised, Johnson and his clown car government never had, and still don't, have a plan for Brexit. How unreasonable of the country to expect them to have a plan for the biggest public health emergency in a century. Still they are busy getting thier excuses in early and trying to find someone else to blame. Good enough to fool @SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, SwindonCanary said: no, they listened to the experts They didn't, thats the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, BigFish said: They didn't, thats the point. prove it, as they are using it as the reason given that they've done what they have Edited April 8, 2020 by SwindonCanary correcton 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 8, 2020 On 18/03/2020 at 21:04, Van wink said: Not seen much from the EU on the Covid 19 outbreak, in fact they have shown no leadership whatsoever and individual member states have all gone their own way, closing borders, Germany blocking shipments of face masks to its neighbours, Italians getting more help from China than from EU member states. The EU appears to have been an irrelevance and lost its voice at a time when we see the greatest threat to Europe since the world war. Where are you? Lets be 'avin you!! FT"EU science chief resigns with blast at coronavirus response European Research Council’s Mauro Ferrari hits out at lack of co-ordinated action on Covid-19 Mauro Ferrari had proposed setting up a special ERC programme to combat Covid-19 The president of the European Research Council — the EU’s top scientist — has resigned after failing to persuade Brussels to set up a large-scale scientific programme to fight Covid-19. Professor Mauro Ferrari, who started a four-year term as leader of Europe’s flagship scientific institution on January 1, submitted his resignation to EU commission president Ursula von der Leyen on Tuesday afternoon. “I have been extremely disappointed by the European response to Covid-19,” he said in a statement to the Financial Times. “I arrived at the ERC a fervent supporter of the EU [but] the Covid-19 crisis completely changed my views, though the ideals of international collaboration I continue to support with enthusiasm.” What is the point if the EU cant respond to a problem like this. Might as well stick to being a trading partnership. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Van wink said: Might as well stick to being a trading partnership. Currently there isn't a plan to have even this on 1 Jan 2021 Edited April 8, 2020 by BigFish 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted April 8, 2020 Groundhog day. Winky, would you say the EU bullies everyone or doesn't use its power enough? Please, make your mind up. 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,772 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Van wink said: FT"EU science chief resigns with blast at coronavirus response European Research Council’s Mauro Ferrari hits out at lack of co-ordinated action on Covid-19 Mauro Ferrari had proposed setting up a special ERC programme to combat Covid-19 The president of the European Research Council — the EU’s top scientist — has resigned after failing to persuade Brussels to set up a large-scale scientific programme to fight Covid-19. Professor Mauro Ferrari, who started a four-year term as leader of Europe’s flagship scientific institution on January 1, submitted his resignation to EU commission president Ursula von der Leyen on Tuesday afternoon. “I have been extremely disappointed by the European response to Covid-19,” he said in a statement to the Financial Times. “I arrived at the ERC a fervent supporter of the EU [but] the Covid-19 crisis completely changed my views, though the ideals of international collaboration I continue to support with enthusiasm.” What is the point if the EU cant respond to a problem like this. Might as well stick to being a trading partnership. 32 minutes ago, Herman said: Groundhog day. Winky, would you say the EU bullies everyone or doesn't use its power enough? Please, make your mind up. 😀 This is exactly the point. If the EU was indeed a superstate as claimed by some (a bit like the US) it would have a 'federal' response. No problems. It's not - all the individual states guard their sovereignty and want to do their own thing good or bad. The EU can only do what the component states agree to no more no less. But then this is what the UK wants isn't it ? A limit on the 'federal powers' but all the benefits of the SM/CU. But there is the catch - the SM / CU does indeed need some common agreements and laws / regulations to make it work. That said the resignation should have the desired effect to focus minds. Edited April 8, 2020 by Yellow Fever 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 8, 2020 It’s a well rehearsed reply from you chaps but the whole point is, if the EU can’t deal with the real big pan EU issues, then what is the point of having such a huge and expensive organisation. Stick to trade, what it was set up for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,772 Posted April 8, 2020 Just now, Van wink said: It’s a well rehearsed reply from you chaps but the whole point is, if the EU can’t deal with the real big pan EU issues, then what is the point of having such a huge and expensive organisation. Stick to trade, what it was set up for. Let me follow your line of thought - are you actually arguing for a "United States of Europe" or at the very least more integration ? If so then your argument holds. However - The EU despite what some Brexiters think it is just a trading arrangement that covers both goods and services with a few collaborative add-ons (Horizon etc ) where it makes sense (but not defence by example - and the EU 'army' nonsense is a complete red herring before it starts) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Van wink said: if the EU can’t deal with the real big pan EU issues, then what is the point of having such a huge and expensive organisation. The EU is neither huge or expensive, that is the point Edited April 8, 2020 by BigFish 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 8, 2020 18 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said: Let me follow your line of thought - are you actually arguing for a "United States of Europe" or at the very least more integration ? If so then your argument holds. However - The EU despite what some Brexiters think it is just a trading arrangement that covers both goods and services with a few collaborative add-ons (Horizon etc ) where it makes sense (but not defence by example - and the EU 'army' nonsense is a complete red herring before it starts) I am arguing for a trading block, and the cost of facilitating that to be proportionate to purpose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Van wink said: I am arguing for a trading block, and the cost of facilitating that to be proportionate to purpose. It is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, BigFish said: It is I wouldn’t let you do my shopping. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,772 Posted April 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Van wink said: I am arguing for a trading block, and the cost of facilitating that to be proportionate to purpose. What you need to accept then is that it won't cover services (the majority of UK exports) and the SM as envisioned by no less than Thatcher. Stay in the CU or EFTA if you like. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Van wink said: I wouldn’t let you do my shopping. At 70p per day I would be a bargan Edited April 8, 2020 by BigFish Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Van wink said: I am arguing for a trading block, and the cost of facilitating that to be proportionate to purpose. re "you blew it" So what you are saying is you don't want what you want? Edited April 8, 2020 by Surfer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Surfer said: Well that's a Brexit that a large majority if Britons would have supported, but that's not what is happening is it? So time to reverse direction and achieve what is actually achievable and not Rees Mogg's wet dream of WTO? Was quite achievable but you blew it. Edited April 8, 2020 by Van wink Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,557 Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Van wink said: It’s a well rehearsed reply from you chaps but the whole point is, if the EU can’t deal with the real big pan EU issues, then what is the point of having such a huge and expensive organisation. Stick to trade, what it was set up for. No, it was set up in the wake of world war two as a trade organisation with the long-term view that it would develop into something more. Not into a monolithic centrally-controlled European superstate (the founders had **** Germany and world war two as an example of why that wasn't a good idea) but into a community of generally shared democratic aims. I don't know if the EU has so far done as well in this crisis as it might have done, but governments round the world have struggled with a unique challenge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,330 Posted April 8, 2020 Meanwhile, out in the real world: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,330 Posted April 8, 2020 And in another world: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: Meanwhile, out in the real world: Oh dear... here we go with the "Dear Leader" BS. I though the world had learned about that peril already. Trump "only I can fix it" / " I take no responsibility" N.Korea and Russia - "there are no cases of the Virus here" UK - "The Country and your people" - what does "your people" mean exactly? The fact is Boris is the Prime Minister, nothing more nothing less. He's in the ICU and he should give up power to the other members of the Cabinet so he can focus on getting better, and the country can focus on the urgent issues at hand. Waiting for his "direction" and "guidance" is just stupid and frankly very scary. Edited April 8, 2020 by Surfer 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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