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49 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

I have no idea what your supposed point is. But then you rarely have any idea what your own point is when it comes to trade and economics.

What's wrong, Purple, don't you like the fact the UK has the stronger hand in any negotiations on a trade deal? Of course,  it always has, but now at least we have a Brexiteer government that will enact on that fact 👍

I don't have any idea about trade & economics? 🤔 You'll be saying I don't understand anything about business next 😀

Do you know how much money one has to have to own property on the Channel Islands?

You still paying your mortgage? 😜

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3 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

Very silly. Because Brexit hasn't happened yet. There have already been companies pulling out of the UK (hi there, Swindon) and the inward investment figures have already taken a hit, but by definition there will be a time lag before even those decisions hit the economy in a significant way.

And for the moment the UK is in the single market and still benefitting from that and from those 60-odd trade deals the EU has negotiated around the world.

Quite absurd to predict how the UK economy will be doing in 2034 unless one knows, and this thinktank certainly has no more idea than I do, and possibly less, what the UK's post-Brexit trade deals, if any, with the EU, with those 60-odd countries, and with the likes of the US will be.

Just as you remoaners have no idea.  The fact though is that economies that are flexible and free of third party socialist shackles such as the Uk will perform well.  Onwards, upwards and outwards.   

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

What's wrong, Purple, don't you like the fact the UK has the stronger hand in any negotiations on a trade deal? Of course,  it always has, but now at least we have a Brexiteer government that will enact on that fact

Well we shall see now won't we. Anything less than a comprehensive deal (by July to allow for ratification) will be a total failure and prove your "expert" witterings the total unfounded nonsense they sound.

I expect the likely outcome will be a deal that Farage and Guido tell you (so you can tell us) is a "surrender" deal.

As @PurpleCanary constantly points out given the choice between damaging the Single Market and damaging UK/EU trade the EU will chose to damage the latter.

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2 hours ago, BigFish said:

Anything less than a comprehensive deal (by July to allow for ratification) will be a total failure

Why?

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2 hours ago, BigFish said:

Well we shall see now won't we. Anything less than a comprehensive deal (by July to allow for ratification) will be a total failure and prove your "expert" witterings the total unfounded nonsense they sound.

I expect the likely outcome will be a deal that Farage and Guido tell you (so you can tell us) is a "surrender" deal.

As @PurpleCanary constantly points out given the choice between damaging the Single Market and damaging UK/EU trade the EU will chose to damage the latter.

Good Lord, you don't half come out with a load of old squit! Here, have some more facts:

 

The sheer, unbridled nonsense of the EU’s “trade deals” - debunked

99% of UK economy will be unaffected by the EU’s “trade deals” after Brexit

dit_banner.jpg

And most of the remaining 1% will continue much as usual

Using official government data, Brexit Facts4EU.Org debunks the continuing Project Fear claims from Remainers about the value of the EU’s “trade deals”.

 

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

 

  • UK exports to “EU trade deal” countries amount to less than 2.5% of the UK economy
  • Following negotiations already completed, over half of these deals will continue after Brexit
  • Negotiations on the remainder are continuing but UK exporters will continue to sell to them anyway
  • Most of the EU’s “trade deals” are with countries such as Albania, Moldova, and Papua New Guinea
  • 44 of the “EU trade deal” countries show as 0.0% of UK exports, in the official HoC exports list

 

eu_trade_deals_uk_benefits_161219.jpg

 

The EU Commission’s performance on trade has been lamentable

The EU Commission has the sole right to negotiate trade deals for the UK, until the UK technically leaves on 31 January next year (2020). The Commission’s performance in this over the decades has been lamentable.

The stark reality is that the EU has been unable to negotiate trade deals with the USA (even under former Europhile President Barack Obama) nor with China. And its recent trade deals with Canada and Japan have still not been ratified.

Major countries such as Australia have said they are keen to do a quick trade deal with the UK. The EU still isn’t close to having a trade deal with Australia.

Most of the EU’s “trade deals” are not what they seem

As we have reported in detail before, the majority of the EU’s “trade deals” are in fact various forms of “Association Agreements” which contain large elements having nothing to do with trade. Many involve large subsidies to the countries involved, to persuade them to join the EU. These include the six Balkan counties including Kosovo – a state not even recognised by the UN as a country.

Many of the other “EU trade deals” are with countries so small that they do not even rank above 0.0% in the Dept of International Trade’s list of countries to which the UK exports.

44 out of the 70 countries on the EU’s list of “trade deals” show as representing 0.0% of UK exports. There are only three countries ranking above 1% of total UK goods exports with which arrangements still have to be made.

Observations

Remainer MPs and campaigners continue to bring up their claim that the UK will suffer after Brexit, as a result of having no access to the EU’s negotiated trade deals. Our research report above shows that this is based on ignorance.

The vast majority of countries with which the EU has some form of trade deal (and most are not simple trade deals but rather political deals) each represent 0.0% of the UK’s exports. The effect that most of these “deals” have on the British economy is negligible.

The Dept for International Trade (DIT) has already negotiated trade agreements with 50 countries with whom the EU has some form of arrangement. Negotiations are ongoing with a further 20 countries, most of which are very small.

We understand why the DIT have done what they have done, but the simple fact is that these deals represent a tiny fraction of the benefit to the UK once it is able to trade globally and freely, unencumbered by the EU’s straitjacket on trading worldwide.

We could produce one of our famous “one-pager” factsheets on this, if readers think it would be helpful?

 

[ Sources: ONS Pink Book for 2018 | HoC Library | DIT ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, 26 Dec 2019

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"The EU Commission’s performance on trade has been lamentable

The EU Commission has the sole right to negotiate trade deals for the UK, until the UK technically leaves on 31 January next year (2020). The Commission’s performance in this over the decades has been lamentable.

The stark reality is that the EU has been unable to negotiate trade deals with the USA (even under former Europhile President Barack Obama) nor with China. And its recent trade deals with Canada and Japan have still not been ratified.

Major countries such as Australia have said they are keen to do a quick trade deal with the UK. The EU still isn’t close to having a trade deal with Australia."

 

Do some ****ing research!!!

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19 minutes ago, Jools said:

Good Lord, you don't half come out with a load of old squit! Here, have some more facts:

 

The sheer, unbridled nonsense of the EU’s “trade deals” - debunked

99% of UK economy will be unaffected by the EU’s “trade deals” after Brexit

dit_banner.jpg

And most of the remaining 1% will continue much as usual

Using official government data, Brexit Facts4EU.Org debunks the continuing Project Fear claims from Remainers about the value of the EU’s “trade deals”.

 

Brexit Facts4EU.Org Summary

 

  • UK exports to “EU trade deal” countries amount to less than 2.5% of the UK economy
  • Following negotiations already completed, over half of these deals will continue after Brexit
  • Negotiations on the remainder are continuing but UK exporters will continue to sell to them anyway
  • Most of the EU’s “trade deals” are with countries such as Albania, Moldova, and Papua New Guinea
  • 44 of the “EU trade deal” countries show as 0.0% of UK exports, in the official HoC exports list

 

eu_trade_deals_uk_benefits_161219.jpg

 

The EU Commission’s performance on trade has been lamentable

The EU Commission has the sole right to negotiate trade deals for the UK, until the UK technically leaves on 31 January next year (2020). The Commission’s performance in this over the decades has been lamentable.

The stark reality is that the EU has been unable to negotiate trade deals with the USA (even under former Europhile President Barack Obama) nor with China. And its recent trade deals with Canada and Japan have still not been ratified.

Major countries such as Australia have said they are keen to do a quick trade deal with the UK. The EU still isn’t close to having a trade deal with Australia.

Most of the EU’s “trade deals” are not what they seem

As we have reported in detail before, the majority of the EU’s “trade deals” are in fact various forms of “Association Agreements” which contain large elements having nothing to do with trade. Many involve large subsidies to the countries involved, to persuade them to join the EU. These include the six Balkan counties including Kosovo – a state not even recognised by the UN as a country.

Many of the other “EU trade deals” are with countries so small that they do not even rank above 0.0% in the Dept of International Trade’s list of countries to which the UK exports.

44 out of the 70 countries on the EU’s list of “trade deals” show as representing 0.0% of UK exports. There are only three countries ranking above 1% of total UK goods exports with which arrangements still have to be made.

Observations

Remainer MPs and campaigners continue to bring up their claim that the UK will suffer after Brexit, as a result of having no access to the EU’s negotiated trade deals. Our research report above shows that this is based on ignorance.

The vast majority of countries with which the EU has some form of trade deal (and most are not simple trade deals but rather political deals) each represent 0.0% of the UK’s exports. The effect that most of these “deals” have on the British economy is negligible.

The Dept for International Trade (DIT) has already negotiated trade agreements with 50 countries with whom the EU has some form of arrangement. Negotiations are ongoing with a further 20 countries, most of which are very small.

We understand why the DIT have done what they have done, but the simple fact is that these deals represent a tiny fraction of the benefit to the UK once it is able to trade globally and freely, unencumbered by the EU’s straitjacket on trading worldwide.

We could produce one of our famous “one-pager” factsheets on this, if readers think it would be helpful?

 

[ Sources: ONS Pink Book for 2018 | HoC Library | DIT ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, 26 Dec 2019

Here’s some more copied and pasted facts, because my name is Jools and I have no f ucking mind of my own.

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6 hours ago, Jools said:

What's wrong, Purple, don't you like the fact the UK has the stronger hand in any negotiations on a trade deal? Of course,  it always has, but now at least we have a Brexiteer government that will enact on that fact 👍

I don't have any idea about trade & economics? 🤔 You'll be saying I don't understand anything about business next 😀

Do you know how much money one has to have to own property on the Channel Islands?

You still paying your mortgage? 😜

What’s a mortgage? Not a word with which I am familiar.

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

"The EU Commission’s performance on trade has been lamentable

The EU Commission has the sole right to negotiate trade deals for the UK, until the UK technically leaves on 31 January next year (2020). The Commission’s performance in this over the decades has been lamentable.

The stark reality is that the EU has been unable to negotiate trade deals with the USA (even under former Europhile President Barack Obama) nor with China. And its recent trade deals with Canada and Japan have still not been ratified.

Major countries such as Australia have said they are keen to do a quick trade deal with the UK. The EU still isn’t close to having a trade deal with Australia." 

 

Do some ****ing research!!!

The Facts4EU.Org team have researched on my behalf and it's a fact that the EU still isn’t close to having a FREE trade agreement deal with Australia.

I have absolutely no idea why you insist on reminding us that you're stupid...

You're obviously a masochist.

 

Hermione ~ "1 minute it took".

Yeah, to come up with sweet FA 😀

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3 hours ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

Here’s some more copied and pasted facts, because my name is Jools and I have no f ucking mind of my own.

An obsessed fanatic of science fiction you should really think twice about accusing others of not having a mind of their own...

Big ask I know as you've proved over and again that you struggle to think once.

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1 hour ago, PurpleCanary said:

What’s a mortgage? Not a word with which I am familiar.

So you inherited your parents' place...

Why not 👍 Labour wouldn't have allowed you 😜

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14 hours ago, Jools said:

99% of UK economy will be unaffected by the EU’s “trade deals” after Brexit

Can you explain why the table you cite as evidence excludes the likes of Canada and Japan amongst others? 

Unless you do so, it is only reasonable to assume that the reason that EU.org created their own table rather than use the House of Commons data (which they try to imply they are doing) is to deliberately deceive the naive.

I'm not sure, but I tend not to think of you as naive, Jools - deceptive maybe? RTB, however, tends to swallow this stuff hook, line and sinker :classic_biggrin:

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15 hours ago, Van wink said:

Why?

Quite simple @Van wink, the Brexiteers have always assured us that a deal would "be the easiest deal in history" because "they need us more than we need them". Johnson's government have fixed a deadline to complete this by the end of 2021, the implication is that he still believes this or expects the electorate to believe it and that it can be achieved in time for ratification by 28 nations and multiple regional assemblies, all who have a veto. Anything less is failure. It will prove the assurances given were untrue, either through dishonesty or incompetance.

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32 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Quite simple @Van wink, the Brexiteers have always assured us that a deal would "be the easiest deal in history" because "they need us more than we need them". Johnson's government have fixed a deadline to complete this by the end of 2021, the implication is that he still believes this or expects the electorate to believe it and that it can be achieved in time for ratification by 28 nations and multiple regional assemblies, all who have a veto. Anything less is failure. It will prove the assurances given were untrue, either through dishonesty or incompetance.

I cant find the original quote now😡

Anyway, end of 2020 isnt it, not 2021?

If there is failure to ratify a deal negotiated on behalf of the EU 27 you cant really hold BJ responsible for that can you?

I think you underestimate the UK Governments determination to get a deal sorted, at all costs, and move on.

 

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2 minutes ago, Van wink said:

I cant find the original quote now😡

Anyway, end of 2020 isnt it, not 2021?

If there is failure to ratify a deal negotiated on behalf of the EU 27 you cant really hold BJ responsible for that can you?

I think you underestimate the UK Governments determination to get a deal sorted, at all costs, and move on.

 

This isn't a good thing. "Get Brexit done so we don't have to talk about the ****ty thing anymore" was not written on the side of a bus!!

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19 minutes ago, Herman said:

This isn't a good thing. "Get Brexit done so we don't have to talk about the ****ty thing anymore" was not written on the side of a bus!!

It wouldn't make for a good slogan.

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

This isn't a good thing. "Get Brexit done so we don't have to talk about the ****ty thing anymore" was not written on the side of a bus!!

 

1 hour ago, Van wink said:

It wouldn't make for a good slogan.

At least it would have been somewhat truthful...

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41 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

 

At least it would have been somewhat truthful...

£350 million was also somewhat truthful............what we never get anymore from any political party, campaign group, news source or social media is "the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth".......we never have of course. For my part I think the BBC is as close to unbiased reporting as we get, but yet we have both main parties in the election complaining of bias. I dont know where we go from here.

The age of misinformation and falsehood is upon us and the potential consequences are unthinkable. So what do we do, slip into a pattern of comparing how untruthful one side is to the other, is it a little fib or a big fib as my mum used to say.

People now like to believe what they want to hear, tell them that and they are happy. 

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15 hours ago, Jools said:

An obsessed fanatic of science fiction you should really think twice about accusing others of not having a mind of their own...

Big ask I know as you've proved over and again that you struggle to think once.

Star Wars is for children

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56 minutes ago, Van wink said:

£350 million was also somewhat truthful............what we never get anymore from any political party, campaign group, news source or social media is "the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth".......we never have of course. For my part I think the BBC is as close to unbiased reporting as we get, but yet we have both main parties in the election complaining of bias. I dont know where we go from here.

The age of misinformation and falsehood is upon us and the potential consequences are unthinkable. So what do we do, slip into a pattern of comparing how untruthful one side is to the other, is it a little fib or a big fib as my mum used to say.

People now like to believe what they want to hear, tell them that and they are happy. 

You just have to keep pointing out the lies. It's quite simple but boring. Anybody new coming on here and reads RTB or Jools nonsense they will soon be able to read the realities.

 

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4 hours ago, Herman said:

You just have to keep pointing out the lies. It's quite simple but boring. Anybody new coming on here and reads RTB or Jools nonsense they will soon be able to read the realities.

 

The £350 million turned out to be an understatement. But why are you still pushing these historical memes?

20 hours ago, Jools said:

 

 

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10 hours ago, BigFish said:

Quite simple @Van wink, the Brexiteers have always assured us that a deal would "be the easiest deal in history" because "they need us more than we need them". Johnson's government have fixed a deadline to complete this by the end of 2021, the implication is that he still believes this or expects the electorate to believe it and that it can be achieved in time for ratification by 28 nations and multiple regional assemblies, all who have a veto. Anything less is failure. It will prove the assurances given were untrue, either through dishonesty or incompetance.

We have a deal called the WA to exit the EU at long last albeit covered with treacherous remoaner fingerprints.   We do not need a free trade agreement but if the EU want one to get their 40 billion then they have until the end of 2020 to agree one.  None of us ever voted to remain forever in transition with the EU which is clearly what the EU need us to do as they are effectively broke as soon as we shut off their ridiculous money supply. 

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6 hours ago, Van wink said:

£350 million was also somewhat truthful............what we never get anymore from any political party, campaign group, news source or social media is "the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth".......we never have of course. For my part I think the BBC is as close to unbiased reporting as we get, but yet we have both main parties in the election complaining of bias. I dont know where we go from here.

The age of misinformation and falsehood is upon us and the potential consequences are unthinkable. So what do we do, slip into a pattern of comparing how untruthful one side is to the other, is it a little fib or a big fib as my mum used to say.

People now like to believe what they want to hear, tell them that and they are happy. 

BBC reporting has been a travesty.

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1 minute ago, paul moy said:

BBC reporting has been a travesty.

People in both sides of the argument say the same thing Paul. 

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