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4 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Britain Erects😀

Should have bee a clue.

the viagra vote.........gammon vote firming up😀

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No it's Boris repaying a donation to the Tory Party. Standard nonsense that both parties are guilty of. 

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However this link is much more interesting - Mr Hannity, who may really be in legal jeopardy over Ukraine scandal doing his best to gaslight America again: (hint the IG report says exactly the opposite of what Hannity is and has been claiming, the FBI investigation into election interference was NOT started based on the Christopher Steele report for a very simple reason: that report came out LATER) And the interesting development that Ivanka Trump had a personal relationship with Christopher Steele is not mentioned.... 

This could be your UK media future if the BBC & Channel 4 are "disciplined" or "defunded"  😞

This is why the role of media should be considered in the same way as the armed forces. We have (very expensive) armed forces funded by taxation to protect our democracy, we need at least one national news organization funded by taxation to also protect our democracy. 

 

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On 06/12/2019 at 00:01, Rock The Boat said:

Quite right, VW. 47% of Jewish people in the UK have said they would consider emigrating if Labour got into power. 

That's almost half of all Jewish people in the country. 

I don't know of any % of POC threatening to leave the country because of a Boris Johnson government. 

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-track-record-on-race_uk_5de7dfece4b0913e6f895667?utm_hp_ref=uk-news

 

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RTB you don't "know" of any Jewish people threatening to leave the country in all likelihood, although I can believe that you don't "know" of any colored people threatening to leave the county either... you really believe that the Jewish people who have thrived in Britain and across the world despite centuries of anti-semitic behavior are really scared of Jeremy Corbin? If you do I have some beachfront property in Arizona I'd be happy to sell you. 

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

Humm... "Highlighting the weakness of the economy, year-on-year growth in GDP slowed to 0.7% in October, which was the lowest rate of growth since March 2012" "Manufacturing output shrank for the seventh month in a row according to the ONS measure of how much industries add to GDP growth" 

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17 minutes ago, Surfer said:

RTB you don't "know" of any Jewish people threatening to leave the country in all likelihood, although I can believe that you don't "know" of any colored people threatening to leave the county either... you really believe that the Jewish people who have thrived in Britain and across the world despite centuries of anti-semitic behavior are really scared of Jeremy Corbin? If you do I have some beachfront property in Arizona I'd be happy to sell you. 

Generally we believe the victims of racism over here👍

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Pretty tight, 67 marginal seats too close to call.

For those who find 10pm just too late for your MRP fix,

is very excited to give our official MRP estimates for #GE2019

 
UKGeneralElection_EMOJI_GIF_V2.png

Con – 337 seats / 42.0% vote share Lab – 235 / 33.8% SNP – 41 / 3.2% LD – 14 / 13.5% Plaid – 3 / 0.5% Green – 1 / 2.8% Brexit Party – 0 / 3%

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8 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Generally we believe the victims of racism over here👍

Unless tories have been accused then you don't give a toss. 

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32 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Pretty tight, 67 marginal seats too close to call.

For those who find 10pm just too late for your MRP fix,

is very excited to give our official MRP estimates for #GE2019

 
UKGeneralElection_EMOJI_GIF_V2.png

Con – 337 seats / 42.0% vote share Lab – 235 / 33.8% SNP – 41 / 3.2% LD – 14 / 13.5% Plaid – 3 / 0.5% Green – 1 / 2.8% Brexit Party – 0 / 3%

Which adds up to only 631 seats...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.🤓

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3 hours ago, Surfer said:

I suggest you are deliberately deflecting or are misunderstanding the point here - journalists are supposed to uncover THE TRUTH , not just be a stenographer that repeats every item of gossip and propaganda that occurs.

Maybe she wrote it (she claims she didn’t) but the role of a journalist is TO FIND OUT. She just wrote “I assume it’s genuine” - now a member of the public might think that but a journalist is paid to dig deeper and REPORT FACTS. 
 

The BBC and ITV tweets on the “punch” were other examples of terrible reporting that must stop if we are ever to have a proper political discourse in the country. The UK cannot let itself become like the US with 1/3 of the country fed daily lies by the President and his Cabinet via Murdoch’s Fox “News” and Wall St Journal and by Sinclair Broadcasting. 
 

Nothing will be done if Boris gets a majority, but something must be done if there is a hung Parliament to get this poison out of politics. 

I think you have an old-fashioned, if somewhat romantic, view of journalism, Surfer

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MRP.  Entering potential hung parliament territory

Con 339 (-20) Lab 231 (+20) Lib Dem 15 (+2) SNP 41 (-2) Plaid 4 (0) Green 1 (0) Other 1 (0)

Similar to earlier one above

Edited by Van wink

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5 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I think you have an old-fashioned, if somewhat romantic, view of journalism, Surfer

I don't think Surfer is being old-fashioned or romantic - why on earth would any sane person pay to read news content from lazy, ignorant journalists who simply reproduce material that everyone can view for free on the internet.

Come to that why on earth would anyone take any notice of such obvious claptrap wherever it came from................I guess you're in the best position to answer that particular conundrum.

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11 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Its a genuine poll 

I didn’t doubt that, but it should make clear it leaves out the NI seats. Some might think the Tory lead over all the other parties is greater than it is.

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8 minutes ago, Van wink said:

MRP.  Entering potential hung parliament territory

Con 339 (-20) Lab 231 (+20) Lib Dem 15 (+2) SNP 41 (-2) Plaid 4 (0) Green 1 (0) Other 1 (0)

Similar to earlier one above

Are people slowly remembering the last nine years?

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8 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

I don't think Surfer is being old-fashioned or romantic - why on earth would any sane person pay to read news content from lazy, ignorant journalists who simply reproduce material that everyone can view for free on the internet.

Come to that why on earth would anyone take any notice of such obvious claptrap wherever it came from................I guess you're in the best position to answer that particular conundrum.

People read and listen to what they want to see and hear, not stuff that challenges their worldview

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6 minutes ago, Herman said:

Are people slowly remembering the last nine years?

Tomorrow will be an interesting day for "news"

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2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

People read and listen to what they want to see and hear, not stuff that challenges their worldview

In many cases yes - why else would the Daily Mail and Daily Express still be business?

But there are still quite a few of us who expect 'news' to have a significant factual element to it.

In any case my question still stands - why on earth do Torygraph readers pay to read copy produced by journalists who apparently are doing nothing other than reproducing other people's propaganda which is freely available for nothing on the internet? Seems to me they are wasting their money, after all there are oceans of propaganda freely available on the internet whatever it is that you want to see and hear. There are almost literally an infinite number of echo chambers freely available out there but if I'm paying for a news service, whether on paper or online, then I expect considerably more than that.

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4 hours ago, Van wink said:

A pleasure to see you back Bagster. 

I am to blame for his absence. He has been busy working for me, renovating a pretty rundown chateau on the banks of the Layon (a tributary of the Loire, as you know). And a decent job overall, although his marquetry skills leave a lot to be desired, and I had to get a specialist in to re-repoint his repointing of the crenellated parapets.

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