The Positive Brexit Thread

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

5 hours ago, Herman said:

Holding the government to account. That is the job of a free press. They can't and shouldn't all be propaganda sheets like the telegraph , sun, mail and express. What sort of country do these clowns want us to live in?? 

You fail to mention the Guardian, the Independent, the Morning Star, the BBC, Sky news, the Times, the Observer (is it still such a thing?), RT, Metro who all cover the things you like to read about. And then there are all the regional papers, ITV, Channel 4. Political magazines such as the Spectator, the Economist, the New Statesman, Private Eye. Then the thousands of political blogs and twitter accounts from individual punters.

Seems to me to be a pretty wide spectrum of views available for consumption if you want to seek them out.

[BigFish 1,986]

8 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

With the promise of forty new hospitals being delivered and new funds for the NHS plus more doctors and nurses being trained, clearly voters are thinking that the Tories will deliver an economy that will generate the wealth that will allow all these things to happen.

Or is it 6, or is it 4 new hospitals......the 40 number is a lie and you repeating it does you no credit. More health workers being trained, after 9 years of Tory leadership the NHS there are 100,000 unfilled vacancies. Perhaps related to Tory investment in the NHS increasing at the lowest level in history, The NHS used to encourage nurses to train, now they charge them £27k for the privilege. Genius work.

And the economy, Tory economic mismanagement means the deficit announced today has gone up to the highest level in 5 years. They can't even get that right.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

14 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

John Young

 

@johnyoung1

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Last night I was in the audience for the live #ITVLeadersDebate and when they came off air only one of them stayed. One of them walked around the audience, spoke to us, thanked us, showed humility and integrity. I'll let you guess which one that was.

Boris has a country to run. No time to fawn over journalists and stroke their egos.

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Boris has a country to run. No time to fawn over journalists and stroke their egos.

He's been doing nothing but trying to woo journalists and visiting primary schools for the last four months - you need to get in touch with the real world @RTB!

[SwindonCanary 455]

2 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Not if they've been paying any attention at all over the last nine years they don't - what they know is that the Tories inherited a very healthy NHS and have taken it to the brink of collapse.

Mr Johnson missed targets , while Labour did the same for England when in power.

Edited November 21, 2019 by SwindonCanary

[BigFish 1,986]

7 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Boris has a country to run. No time to fawn over journalists and stroke their egos.

Those lies won't tell themselves

[TCCANARY 263]

9 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Boris has a country to run. No time to fawn over journalists and stroke their egos.

RTB failing again.

Corbyn was talking to the members of the public who were in the audience.

Every time Johnson talks to the public they remind him that he's a ****.

 

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

A Government pledge to build 200,000 new starter homes for first time buyers in England has failed to produce a single property, a Whitehall review has revealed.

David Cameron's Conservative party 2015 manifesto promise was designed to tackle the country's mounting first-time buyer housing crisis and £2.3billion was set aside by the Spending Review for the construction of the first 60,000 homes.

Yet, not a single one of the 200,000 homes has been built says the spending watchdog, as legislation needed to get the construction process going is yet to come into force. 

Now the lying toerag is pledging to build a million new homes over the next five years.

For goodness sake people, wake up, you are going to vote in a serial and obsessive liar and ego monster.

And people have the nerve to have a pop at Corbyn. He doesn't make it up at as a retort to the other parties. The LibDems have nailed their colours and the SNP and Greens are sticking with their objectives.

The Tories are like an avant garde jazz combo. Make it up as you go along.

I have highlighted in bold the key to your post. This Parliament has wasted huge amounts of time over trying to block the Brexit process and prevent the wish of the people to be implemented. So not surprisingly there has been little enough time to spend on getting important legislation through Parliament.

This is how Remainers have negatively affected the lives of young people trying to get their foot on the hosing ladder. If Remainers hadn't been so egotistical and had accepted the result of the referendum then there would have been time available to get legislation through the House and get those homes built.

And today we are faced with the prospect of a dithering Labour government that wants to continue the delay of Brexit by re-negotiating with the EU and having a second referendum, while campaigning against their own deal. More delay. More dithering. And no time for the important issues such as addressing the housing crisis.

We need to vote Boris and get Brexit done. Get the country moving again.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

 have highlighted in bold the key to your post

Sorry RTB but you highlighted the wrong part. 2015 is the key part not the legislation part. Cleverley was interviewed and asked how many houses did he think had been built and he said lots. The interviewer then pointed out the legislation has been ignored and none had been built and his pathetic reply was, "that is what I said". And he is the Chairman! Dimmer than a 20 watt bulb.

Your mob may well hold a lead in the polls but that doesn't stop them from hoodwinking the many thick and stupid people out there. Their outright lies will not be held to account because they ignore it being scrutinised by attacking Labour instead.

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

18 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

He's been doing nothing but trying to woo journalists and visiting primary schools for the last four months - you need to get in touch with the real world @RTB!

Under a Labour government there will be fewer primary schools for Prime Minister Corbyn to visit. And fewer hospitals. And fewer bobbies on the beat. Because Prime Minister Corbyn will be borrowing a sh!tload of money to bring private industries under State control. There won't be any money left over for taking care of people, it will all be spent on taking care of Corbyn's Marxist ideology. It will be like Russia before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Rock The Boat

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

I have highlighted in bold the key to your post. This Parliament has wasted huge amounts of time over trying to block the Brexit process and prevent the wish of the people to be implemented. So not surprisingly there has been little enough time to spend on getting important legislation through Parliament.

This is how Remainers have negatively affected the lives of young people trying to get their foot on the hosing ladder. If Remainers hadn't been so egotistical and had accepted the result of the referendum then there would have been time available to get legislation through the House and get those homes built.

And today we are faced with the prospect of a dithering Labour government that wants to continue the delay of Brexit by re-negotiating with the EU and having a second referendum, while campaigning against their own deal. More delay. More dithering. And no time for the important issues such as addressing the housing crisis.

We need to vote Boris and get Brexit done. Get the country moving again.

@RTB you have totally lost touch with reality - if you cast your mind back you will remember that Theresa May tried to get Brexit through without involving Parliament at all. Even though she was ultimately forced to hold a meaningful vote that didn't happen for the first time until 2018, almost three years after this commitment was made and during which the government had ample time to put through this legislation.

Even after that first meaningful vote there was plenty of time when MPs were doing next to nothing as neither Theresa May or Boris Johnson have actually tried to get anything other than Brexit done - they have simply ignored the other pressing issues and their own manifesto commitments.

Any competent government could have got this done alongside implementing Brexit, but we haven't had a competent government for a decade. The Tories have failed on Brexit, housing, health service (in fact all public services), transport, energy, the environment and the economy - they are a useless, lying, incompetent bunch of t*ssers.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

And today we are faced with the prospect of a dithering Labour government that wants to continue the delay of Brexit 

How many times do you have to be told that it was the current PM and his cronies who managed to stop Brexit. Let me explain again. Labour is the OPPOSITION. They oppose the government as a matter of course so that legislation does not become dictatorial.

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

27 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Under a Labour government there will be fewer primary schools for Prime Minister Corbyn to visit. And fewer hospitals. And fewer bobbies on the beat. Because Prime Minister Corbyn will be borrowing a sh!tload of money to bring private industries under State control. There won't be any money left over for taking care of people, it will all be spent on taking care of Corbyn's Marxist ideology. It will be like Russia before the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Even for you @RTB that is a truly pathetic response - why, instead of spouting total rubbish about what might happen in the future, don't you spend a little time thinking/looking at the track record of the government we've actually had for the last nine years.

Is that the only defence you have for Johnson's lies, laziness and general incompetence???? Because frankly you're whistling in the wind even to people like me who don't have much time for Corbyn - he's certainly no leader but as far as this country's future is concerned it would be a damn safer in his hands than a lying, fraudster such as Boris.

Edited November 21, 2019 by Creative Midfielder

[ricardo 7,345]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

Perhaps they could offer free pasties.

You can have one mate but Jools can sit on one 😂

(Didn't mean Jools you old Spiv)

Large Steak now £4.50 locally. Bleddy emmets pudden up cost en em

They do a very nice lamb and mint pastie down Dorset way.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

They do a very nice lamb and mint pastie down Dorset way.

The A35 from Honiton to Bournemouth is a very pleasant journey

[Van wink 2,994]

19 minutes ago, ricardo said:

They do a very nice lamb and mint pastie down Dorset way.

Sounds lovely. Will they be free?

[ricardo 7,345]

13 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

They do a very nice lamb and mint pastie down Dorset way.

The A35 from Honiton to Bournemouth is a very pleasant journey

The real pastie shop in Bridport do very nice pasties. I kow its not Cornwall but its fairly west countryish.

[ricardo 7,345]

11 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Sounds lovely. Will they be free?

All paid for by taxing billionaires.😉

[Barbe bleu 814]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

. Let me explain again. Labour is the OPPOSITION. They oppose the government as a matter of course so that legislation does not become dictatorial.

No, this really isnt their job.   They should scrutinise, they should debate, they should focus and,  if necessary, they should oppose.

Opposition for the sake of opposition is truly regressive.

Nothing wrong with opposing but opposing something you agree with 'cos that's what the opposition does' is madness 

[Herman 9,713]

1 hour ago, ricardo said:

All paid for by taxing billionaires.😉

Good. Tax the greed. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

17 minutes ago, Barbe bleu said:

No, this really isnt their job.   They should scrutinise, they should debate, they should focus and,  if necessary, they should oppose.

Opposition for the sake of opposition is truly regressive.

Nothing wrong with opposing but opposing something you agree with 'cos that's what the opposition does' is madness 

All of that is true but whilst I don't really want to defend Labour (who have been the poorest opposition in living memory) I don't think they can reasonably be accused for opposition for the sake of it - they did stand on a manifesto commitment to implement Brexit but it was a completely different Brexit to Theresa May's hard Brexit and Boris Johnson's even harder Brexit and/or no deal Brexit.

So they were fully entitled to oppose the Tory deals (as were the rest of the opposition) but if wasn't for Theresa May being an inflexible half-wit incapable of any compromise then we would be out by now. If she'd comprised over the Customs Union, which would have had the additional benefit of limiting the economic damage a bit, then we would now an ex-member of the EU.

Labour may have been pretty useless for the last three years but they can't compete for sheer incompetence against the Tories, who let us not forget are the Government, had bought themselves a working majority and yet still couldn't get anything to work.

[SwindonCanary 455]

A proper Pastie is made of beef , onion, potatoes and swede !

Anything else ain't really a Pastie.

[Hoola Han Solo 448]

Just now, SwindonCanary said:

A proper Pastie is made of beef , onion, potatoes and swede !

Anything else ain't really a Pastie.

A proper ‘Pastie’ is spelt ‘pasty’ 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[ricardo 7,345]

1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

All of that is true but whilst I don't really want to defend Labour (who have been the poorest opposition in living memory) I don't think they can reasonably be accused for opposition for the sake of it - they did stand on a manifesto commitment to implement Brexit but it was a completely different Brexit to Theresa May's hard Brexit and Boris Johnson's even harder Brexit and/or no deal Brexit.

So they were fully entitled to oppose the Tory deals (as were the rest of the opposition) but if wasn't for Theresa May being an inflexible half-wit incapable of any compromise then we would be out by now. If she'd comprised over the Customs Union, which would have had the additional benefit of limiting the economic damage a bit, then we would now an ex-member of the EU.

Labour may have been pretty useless for the last three years but they can't compete for sheer incompetence against the Tories, who let us not forget are the Government, had bought themselves a working majority and yet still couldn't get anything to work.

Corbyn has always been a leaver. Look at his past and how close to Tony Benn he was on this issue. I think he has been forced into the present policy due to the majority of remainy types in the Labour Party.

 

[Van wink 2,994]

7 minutes ago, Herman said:

Good. Tax the greed. 

Tax the FAT PASTY'S ........I think I could get a job at Labour HQ

[Creative Midfielder 1,985]

13 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Corbyn has always been a leaver. Look at his past and how close to Tony Benn he was on this issue. I think he has been forced into the present policy due to the majority of remainy types in the Labour Party.

 

Yes, quite probably so and although there is a clear majority of remain MPs in the Labour Party, there is also a significant group of Leave minded Labour MPs and Labour MPs representing heavily Leave voting constitutencies who felt obliged to support it.

Which makes it even more stupid that TM never made any serious attempt to make a deal which they would have definitely backed and given her the majority for Brexit she needed. Customs Union would have done it, maybe even something a little short of that in the final days but she still didn't have the intelligence and/or imagination to make it happen.

[BigFish 1,986]

31 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Corbyn has always been a leaver. Look at his past and how close to Tony Benn he was on this issue. I think he has been forced into the present policy due to the majority of remainy types in the Labour Party.

That is an urban myth @ricardo. Certainly the Bennite left considered the old Common Market a capitalist cartel and later thought the EU rules would prevent "Socialism in one country". Jacques Delors Social Chapter changed all that making the EU much more worker friendly. On top of that Labour have sussed what the other countries have long known - EU laws don't actually stop member countries doining anything they want to. Hence the fact the manifesto has been stressed tested against EU law and there is nothing in law that would prevent its implementaion.

[Van wink 2,994]

26 minutes ago, BigFish said:

That is an urban myth @ricardo. Certainly the Bennite left considered the old Common Market a capitalist cartel and later thought the EU rules would prevent "Socialism in one country". Jacques Delors Social Chapter changed all that making the EU much more worker friendly. On top of that Labour have sussed what the other countries have long known - EU laws don't actually stop member countries doining anything they want to. Hence the fact the manifesto has been stressed tested against EU law and there is nothing in law that would prevent its implementaion.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-railways-eu-rules-nationalise-single-market-restrictions-labour-a8968691.html

From reading this it appears that from 2023 EU rules will require some Publicly owned railway lines to be put out to competitive tender, there would be nothing to stop the government submitting thier own tender as part of the process, that doesnt necessarily mean they will win of course.

[Surfer 1,547]

1 hour ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Yes, quite probably so and although there is a clear majority of remain MPs in the Labour Party, there is also a significant group of Leave minded Labour MPs and Labour MPs representing heavily Leave voting constitutencies who felt obliged to support it.

Which makes it even more stupid that TM never made any serious attempt to make a deal which they would have definitely backed and given her the majority for Brexit she needed. Customs Union would have done it, maybe even something a little short of that in the final days but she still didn't have the intelligence and/or imagination to make it happen.

Always what if / if only... that’s Teresa May’s legacy now, and most of the British PM in the past 20 years. She could have got Brexit done, there is no doubt, but she caved to her right wing cabal rather than risk right wing blowback. 
 

And so here we are. And it will not get better any time soon. If Boris gets his majority the real Brexit work / damage will start soon enough i.e. multiple years of negotiations and uncertainty to follow, just like concluding you should get divorced, all the rancor will come out in the years ahead, but at least you can comfort yourself that you won’t have to sleep with that ***** again even if it costs you the house to do it. 
 

If there is no majority, all the rancor will come out as well but at least you”ll still have the house while you work out that maybe marriage councelling is not such a bad idea after all. 
 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

A proper Pastie is made of beef , onion, potatoes and swede !

Anything else ain't really a Pastie.

Not quite true Swindon. The contents you mention are for a Cornish Pasty, ring fenced in law. Pastie needs an s to make it plural pasties.

But the very first acknowledgement of a pasty was made in Lowestoft and delivered to Norwich in, from recollection, 1226. It contained fish.

Of course many Cornish Pasties had a variety of fillings as the pastry was really there to hold the contents and were home made. In fact the crimp was a handle and was thrown away as the tin miners had to put out their tallow candles to save money while on their breaks.

Craskes used to make one with the crimp on the top and from recollection had carrot in them.