The Positive Brexit Thread

[paul moy 235]

19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Now the tables have turned. Politically the Johnson government looks unassailable, It's time the UK played the strong hand. And if Barnier and his masters still don’t get it, how about falling back on the divorce payment ? It does not have to be paid anyway says the law .

Where on Earth does it come from anyway ? Mrs May has a lot to answer for.

It was a deliberately bad deal for the reason that the plan was to run it off against 'remain' in a second referendum. Thank god the plot failed. Brexiteer MPs in parliament, especially Boris, know clearly what was going on and now it is time for the EU to pay for its deceit.

[Herman 9,754]

Johnson voted FOR Theresa May's deal. Are you ever going to wake up to the fact you were scammed? 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Boris voted for it only because he thought it would take us out . no scamming

Edited February 6, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

54 minutes ago, Herman said:

Johnson voted FOR Theresa May's deal. Are you ever going to wake up to the fact you were scammed? 

In mad Moyo's case that seems very unlikely, plain facts are incidential or more usually totally ignored when (as nearly always) they don't mesh with his delusions, and even if he ever wakes up to reality he's never going to admit that he's been taken for a fool by a bunch of liars (and the Daily Express  😂😂).

[ron obvious 1,502]

https://unherd.com/2020/02/i-dont-miss-the-nastiness-of-the-left/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3

 

Boris’s full throttle defence of global capitalism, meanwhile, in his recent speech at Greenwich — salvation by free trade — represented a form of business-minded utopianism in which genuine conservatives ought to detect the dangerous odour of ideology. Conservatives don’t believe in grand plans, whether capitalism or socialism. They see the world as inherently messed up; our job is to get on and try and make the best of it

 

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

13 hours ago, paul moy said:

The point is that the EU are threatening to scrap talks and that plays into Boris's hands as he just needs a ready excuse for WTO.  I can envisage the transition period being cut short which would end something that most leavers never wanted anyway. As soon as we go to WTO the EU will come running for a deal ....... 🤣

If, as you now keep saying, you wanted all along to trade via the WTO (not true, of course - you said we would keep all our access to the single market) and the UK ends up in the best of all possible worlds, trading via the WTO, then why would you want to give that paradise up to do some sub-standard deal with the EU?

[SwindonCanary 455]

WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU 

[Herman 9,754]

13 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU 

It just means that we failed at negotiations and are leaving with nothing. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

Yes, if they don't play ball it's WTO

[SwindonCanary 455]

Sky News understands more than 40 migrants have been intercepted in the English Channel by British and French patrol boats this morning and they have been brought to Dover

I wonder how many are leaving a war zone ?

[TCCANARY 263]

2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Sky News understands more than 40 migrants have been intercepted in the English Channel by British and French patrol boats this morning and they have been brought to Dover

I wonder how many are leaving a war zone ?

I'm sure you'll be updating us later when you have the information.

[Herman 9,754]

33 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Yes, if they don't play ball it's WTO

That means we leave with nothing. 40 odd years of talks and negotiations thrown away. This isn't rocket science. 

[Herman 9,754]

1 hour ago, Creative Midfielder said:

In mad Moyo's case that seems very unlikely, plain facts are incidential or more usually totally ignored when (as nearly always) they don't mesh with his delusions, and even if he ever wakes up to reality he's never going to admit that he's been taken for a fool by a bunch of liars (and the Daily Express  😂😂).

And as Swindo shows us, they will always find an excuse for Johnson's unscrupulous behaviour. 

[Herman 9,754]

@PurpleCanary. Your talk of the Premier League and the problems it will face with the change to FOM has come to fruition. One of the top men has been talking about and trying to find a solution. I'll try and find the article later. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

5 minutes ago, Herman said:

That means we leave with nothing. 40 odd years of talks and negotiations thrown away. This isn't rocket science. 

Does that mean you would agree to anything the EU put's forward ?

[ricardo 7,384]

20 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Sky News understands more than 40 migrants have been intercepted in the English Channel by British and French patrol boats this morning and they have been brought to Dover

I wonder how many are leaving a war zone ?

The fools! Don't they realise they are entering a disaster area😉

[Herman 9,754]

Yes, even if it was only dog doo on a stick. 🤣

[SwindonCanary 455]

Makes you wonder why they all want to live here ?

[Herman 9,754]

You make me wonder why I want to live here. 

[ricardo 7,384]

14 minutes ago, Herman said:

You make me wonder why I want to live here. 

Cheap property in China I hear.

[TCCANARY 263]

"No10 bans government from using phrase ‘no deal’ insisting ‘non-negotiable outcome’ must be used instead".

Also;

Lie will be known as a 'Boris'

Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon'

WTO will be known as 'Xanadu'

 

 

[paul moy 235]

3 hours ago, Herman said:

Johnson voted FOR Theresa May's deal. Are you ever going to wake up to the fact you were scammed? 

That was when many MPs thought it was either this rubbish WA or remain, and you know it.  Rees Mogg voted for it also for that reason.

[paul moy 235]

20 hours ago, BigFish said:

And there you have it, the fundamental flaw in your argument.

That is not the only question. For a start there is a question of how awkward the UK will be negotiations. At present Johnson is playing to the gallery and talking tough. The EU is politely making the case that the less level the playing field the more friction at the borders.

After that line by line, sector by sector there are hundreds, probably thousands, of questions, compromises and trade-offs.

Fact is we don't need the EU as much as they think we do. WTO is fine.

[SwindonCanary 455]

15 minutes ago, TCCANARY said:

"No10 bans government from using phrase ‘no deal’ insisting ‘non-negotiable outcome’ must be used instead".

Also;

Lie will be known as a 'Boris'

Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon'

WTO will be known as 'Xanadu'

Where did you get 'Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon' from it's not me !

 

 

Edited February 6, 2020 by SwindonCanary

[paul moy 235]

15 minutes ago, TCCANARY said:

"No10 bans government from using phrase ‘no deal’ insisting ‘non-negotiable outcome’ must be used instead".

Also;

Lie will be known as a 'Boris'

Racists liar will known as a 'Swindon'

WTO will be known as 'Xanadu'

 

 

They already call the WA a Deal, so they are clearly aiming at a non-negotiable outcome and WTO..... all great news.

[BigFish 1,986]

4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Fact is we don't need the EU as much as they think we do. WTO is fine.

Quite honestly @paul moy I think you struggle to spell WTO, let alone understand what WTO rules imply.

Let me spell it out to you. THERE IS NOT A SINGLE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD THAT RELIES ONLY ON WTO RULES FOR THEIR TRADE. Not one, why would the UK be different?

[Hoola Han Solo 448]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU 

So we got back control but are now just going to cede it to whoever will jump into bed with us, as we desperately shop around for deals. Other nations have the bargaining power over us. You and other jingoistic racists like @paul moy have put us right in the s hit. 👍🏻

Edited February 6, 2020 by Hoola Han Solo

[SwindonCanary 455]

It's time you stopped calling anyone who voted to leave racist !

[BigFish 1,986]

1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

WTO is always an option whilst negotiating with the EU 

Hey Swindo, What is the biggest economy that does not have any Free Trade agreements other than membership in the WTO?

So while Googling, I came across the WTO website which, it turns out, has a database of trade-agreements that member countries have notified them of. Unfortunately you can’t run arbitrary queries on the database, but luckily the countries were all referred to by their ISO-3166 numeric codes, therefore, if I took a list of countries, I could downloaded each one and read the list of agreements. For this I use the BeautifulSoup library and inserted the data into some simple Django models I created. I have uploaded the source code to GitHub in case anybody wants to play around with it.

The Results

Once I had the data, I could write a query to return all the countries that lacked any agreements. Upon running it, I found that many of the returned countries weren’t actually countries at all, but dependent territories like Bermuda and Puerto Rico. I therefore manually removed these. I was then left with this list:

Holy See

Mauritania

Monaco

Montenegro

Palau

Timor-Leste

Sao Tome and Principe

Serbia

Somalia

South Sudan

Sudan

Western Sahara

However again, I knew this wasn’t right Serbia and Montenegro are both members of CEFTA, so I investigated further. It turns out that neither are a member of WTO, which is why they have not notified the WTO of their agreements. So I then compared this list with a list of WTO members and removed any that were not members.

The next step would have been to order these by GDP, but that turned out to be unnecessary, as there is only one country in the world that trades only under WTO rules. That country:

MAURITANIA

For those of you not familiar with Mauritania, it’s GDP is $4,714million (0.2% of the UK’s), 50% of its exports consist of Iron Ore, and between 1% and 17% of the population still live in slavery.

It appears that this is the country that Leave.UK wish to emulate. I am afraid that this is not a vision for Britain’s future that I can share.

https://medium.com/@MrWeeble/who-actually-trades-solely-under-wto-rules-1b6127ce33c6

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

15 minutes ago, paul moy said:

That was when many MPs thought it was either this rubbish WA or remain, and you know it.  Rees Mogg voted for it also for that reason.

Absolute nonsense that you've just made up, remain was never an option other than for a handful of MPs and certainly never in the minds of the liar or Rees Smug.

And if the liar (or you) thought that TM's WA was so rubbish, why did the liar revert back to an earlier version which was even worse, so bad in fact that 'no British PM could ever accept it'.

More ill-informed nonsense from Paul Moy.