paul moy 235 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) Nissan planning to invest in UK and pull out of EU if No Deal as it would aim to garner 20% of the UK car market....... another body blow for the prophets of doom : https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237095/brexit-latest-news-nissan-uk-eu-trade-brussels-north-east-simon-clarke-richard-holden Edited February 3, 2020 by paul moy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187 Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: The government need to listen to what's being said on the BBC World Service today . Its outrageous and the biased reporting and agenda is being spread around the world. They appear to be working hand in hand with the EU. The government needs to deal with this and sort out the BBC as they are not representing the whole country. What is being said? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: Its outrageous and the biased reporting and agenda is being spread around the world. I'd also be interested to know what was being said...😂 Apples Edited February 3, 2020 by Mr Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 Everything talked about was siding with the EU and saying the governments ideas were not worthy. It's supposed to be negotiations some times you have to see the other sides view of things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187 Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Everything talked about was siding with the EU and saying the governments ideas were not worthy. It's supposed to be negotiations some times you have to see the other sides view of things. It sounds like they are seeing the "other sides" view What program was it, I'll give it a playback Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted February 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: the governments ideas were not worthy Well if someone sees a massive turd, it's quite right of them to report it that way. 😂 Apples Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 Hard talk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted February 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Everything talked about was siding with the EU and saying the governments ideas were not worthy. It's supposed to be negotiations some times you have to see the other sides view of things. Could it be they just questioned the govenment's pointless sabre rattling? It was only there to fire up the likes of you @SwindonCanary, it isn't part of the negotiations and some of it would be immature in a primary school. Realistically, it looks like a lot of empty noise so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creative Midfielder 1,996 Posted February 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SwindonCanary said: Everything talked about was siding with the EU and saying the governments ideas were not worthy. It's supposed to be negotiations some times you have to see the other sides view of things. Not when the Government's 'ideas' directly contradict the agreement they signed with the EU just a couple of months ago. I'm afraid this year is shaping up to be very like 2017 when Theresa May (and Boris the Liar) having signed the Stage 1 agreement, almost immediately reneged on it and tried to renegotiate it all over again instead of getting on with negotiating a trade deal which is what they were supposed to be doing. We all know how ell that turned out! What our idiots, both previous and current, in government still don't seem to realise is that the EU are very serious about this and also pretty competent, certainly by comparison with our clueless muppets. At every stage (this is now the 3rd about to start) the EU has carefully researched, analysed and prepared it negotiating position & options and agreed them amongst all 27 states. We haven't done any of that at any stage - firstly David Davis and then TM and now the liar have just winged it without any real preparation beyond cliched soundbites and presented 'ideas' and demand without any serious investigation into whether they are even feasible in practice never mind likely to be negotiable. The first element of the negotiation at each stage therefore consists of the EU politely explaining the real world to our muppets who then have to go away and try to cobble together some new 'ideas' that are slightly less ridiculous than the previous set. We have rank amateurs negotiating for us who think they can just walk in unprepared and 'negotiate'. They are up against a set of very experienced and capable negotiators who are well prepared and know that they could most of the cards anyway. The muppets have no chance. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted February 3, 2020 48 minutes ago, paul moy said: Nissan planning to invest in UK and pull out of EU if No Deal as it would aim to garner 20% of the UK car market....... another body blow for the prophets of doom : https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237095/brexit-latest-news-nissan-uk-eu-trade-brussels-north-east-simon-clarke-richard-holden They would also pull out of the UK if there were WTO tariffs. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/nissan-s-brexit-scenarios-include-closing-european-plants-ft The automaker denied the existence of the contingency plans, according to a spokesman for Nissan Europe quoted by the Financial Times. “We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the U.K. and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs,” he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187 Posted February 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Hard talk Right I've just listened to todays HARDtalk. It was an interview with Lauri Love, the computer hacker guy who the US want to extradite from the UK It was all about cyber security Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU 🙁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said: Not when the Government's 'ideas' directly contradict the agreement they signed with the EU just a couple of months ago. I'm afraid this year is shaping up to be very like 2017 when Theresa May (and Boris the Liar) having signed the Stage 1 agreement, almost immediately reneged on it and tried to renegotiate it all over again instead of getting on with negotiating a trade deal which is what they were supposed to be doing. We all know how ell that turned out! What our idiots, both previous and current, in government still don't seem to realise is that the EU are very serious about this and also pretty competent, certainly by comparison with our clueless muppets. At every stage (this is now the 3rd about to start) the EU has carefully researched, analysed and prepared it negotiating position & options and agreed them amongst all 27 states. We haven't done any of that at any stage - firstly David Davis and then TM and now the liar have just winged it without any real preparation beyond cliched soundbites and presented 'ideas' and demand without any serious investigation into whether they are even feasible in practice never mind likely to be negotiable. The first element of the negotiation at each stage therefore consists of the EU politely explaining the real world to our muppets who then have to go away and try to cobble together some new 'ideas' that are slightly less ridiculous than the previous set. We have rank amateurs negotiating for us who think they can just walk in unprepared and 'negotiate'. They are up against a set of very experienced and capable negotiators who are well prepared and know that they could most of the cards anyway. The muppets have no chance. It is the Government that's saying the EU is changing what was agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said: Right I've just listened to todays HARDtalk. It was an interview with Lauri Love, the computer hacker guy who the US want to extradite from the UK It was all about cyber security Nothing to do with Brexit or the EU 🙁 wrong hard talk Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187 Posted February 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: wrong hard talk It's the only HARDtalk broadcast today! A quick check of the schedule doesn't show any programs dedicated to Brexit/EU 😠 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 Was it you who was trying to point out that those voting leave were dumb ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Apples 1,320 Posted February 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Was it you who was trying to point out that those voting leave were dumb ? I'm not sure anyone really needed to point that out...🤔😂 Apples 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,772 Posted February 3, 2020 51 minutes ago, TCCANARY said: They would also pull out of the UK if there were WTO tariffs. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/nissan-s-brexit-scenarios-include-closing-european-plants-ft The automaker denied the existence of the contingency plans, according to a spokesman for Nissan Europe quoted by the Financial Times. “We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the U.K. and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs,” he said. Sounds EXACTLY like the Honda situation to me. Like many car companies they are under financial stress and 'Brexit' forms a very good reason for a root and branch review. All of the options will have been investigated (modelled) including shutting some plants or all plants, and yes even 'doubling down on UK' or Europe (if they can increase their market share...). What did Honda do - close the lot. Problem solved. I would read very little into these comments either way except that the future of Sunderland will be made in Tokyo with very very little reference to Johnson and certainly no jingoistic flag waving. It will be determined solely by LSD ( ) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted February 3, 2020 1 hour ago, paul moy said: Nissan planning to invest in UK and pull out of EU if No Deal as it would aim to garner 20% of the UK car market....... another body blow for the prophets of doom : https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1237095/brexit-latest-news-nissan-uk-eu-trade-brussels-north-east-simon-clarke-richard-holden That would explain the massive amount of building work going on around the Sunderland Nissan site in recent months... Or the government might be building rehab centres for demented Remaniacs 😀 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted February 3, 2020 57 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: It is the Government that's saying the EU is changing what was agreed. The government, yet again, is feeding you lies. Please stop falling for it. Listen more to World Service, less to Julia Hartley Brewer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 Why should I do that when they are so bias ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187 Posted February 3, 2020 19 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Was it you who was trying to point out that those voting leave were dumb ? If that is directed to me, then no. I don't think that all those who voted leave are dumb I'm genuinely interested in listening to the same program that you did. What was it, when was it broadcast, and on what channel? It certainly isn't today's HARDtalk on the World Service Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) It was sometime in the last two weeks, I'm trying to find it for you Edited February 3, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted February 3, 2020 If you've never heard hardtalk it is a programme where Steven Sackur grills one person. It's good, feisty but asks pertinent questions of a certain individual. Think Andrew Neil without the syrup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted February 3, 2020 14 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: It was sometime in the last two weeks, I'm trying to find it for you Was it this one? Jean-Claude Juncker: What's next for the EU and Britain? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted February 3, 2020 34 minutes ago, BigFish said: Was it this one? Jean-Claude Juncker: What's next for the EU and Britain? No it's not, though it was a good listen, felt there was no bias there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted February 3, 2020 3 hours ago, SwindonCanary said: The government need to listen to what's being said on the BBC World Service today . Its outrageous and the biased reporting and agenda is being spread around the world. They appear to be working hand in hand with the EU. The government needs to deal with this and sort out the BBC as they are not representing the whole country. Just watch re-runs of Dad's Army, shouldn't be that different to government policy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paul moy 235 Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, BigFish said: Could it be they just questioned the govenment's pointless sabre rattling? It was only there to fire up the likes of you @SwindonCanary, it isn't part of the negotiations and some of it would be immature in a primary school. Realistically, it looks like a lot of empty noise so far. Why do you keep backing the EU against your own government and people ? I just don't understand why any patriot would do that. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted February 3, 2020 42 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: They would also pull out of the UK if there were WTO tariffs. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-02/nissan-s-brexit-scenarios-include-closing-european-plants-ft The automaker denied the existence of the contingency plans, according to a spokesman for Nissan Europe quoted by the Financial Times. “We’ve modelled every possible ramification of Brexit and the fact remains that our entire business both in the U.K. and in Europe is not sustainable in the event of WTO tariffs,” he said. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wooster 134 Posted February 3, 2020 Either way I'm not sure there is much future in many car manufacturing jobs as we move from the internal combustion engine (ICE) to all-electric cars. "UBS reported that 58 percent of all German automotive manufacturing employment is dependent on ICE production." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
