Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Icecream Snow said: Always a scapegoat for Moy 😂 🤔 This morning Philip Lee, Dominic Grieve, and Heidi Allen met to plan the launch of ‘Conservatives for a People’s Vote’ which formally relaunches on Thursday at 8 in the Shard. A shiny skyscraper in central London, surrounded by bankers… That’ll win over Mansfield… The group is expecting to receive explicit support from eleven Tory MPs, and plan to use the defeat of the PM’s deal to recruit more. Heidi Allen, who is voting for May’s deal, attended the planning meeting in the knowledge that it would be voted down. Her plan is to argue that she tried to pass the deal but now the only way out is a second referendum. Duplicitous… Guido understands that public affairs agency Hanover Communications is managing the campaign. In other news, Hanover Senior Adviser Steve Richards appeared on Sky News earlier today arguing for a second referendum. Fancy that! January 15th 2019 @ 12:30 pm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,181 Posted January 29, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jools said: 🤔 This morning Philip Lee, Dominic Grieve, and Heidi Allen met to plan the launch of ‘Conservatives for a People’s Vote’ which formally relaunches on Thursday at 8 in the Shard. A shiny skyscraper in central London, surrounded by bankers… That’ll win over Mansfield… The group is expecting to receive explicit support from eleven Tory MPs, and plan to use the defeat of the PM’s deal to recruit more. Heidi Allen, who is voting for May’s deal, attended the planning meeting in the knowledge that it would be voted down. Her plan is to argue that she tried to pass the deal but now the only way out is a second referendum. Duplicitous… Guido understands that public affairs agency Hanover Communications is managing the campaign. In other news, Hanover Senior Adviser Steve Richards appeared on Sky News earlier today arguing for a second referendum. Fancy that! January 15th 2019 @ 12:30 pm One year on, and someone else thinks it not wholly unreasonable that there should be a second referendum https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-second-referendum-farage-speech-european-parliament-eu-a9307986.html 🤔 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, paul moy said: There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job. Aye 👇 Remainer Tory MPs agreed a deal to support Theresa May if she pursued “continued economic alignment” with the EU – only to renege on it today with an amendment attempting to keep us in the customs union. Guido can reveal that on 1 July, key Remainer Stephen Hammond emailed his ‘Conservative Group for Europe’ of hardcore Remain MPs, outlining the terms of a coordinated threat to Number 10. The Remainers agreed that if the Cabinet backed a soft Brexit with “continued economic alignment” plus a backstop arrangement, they would not put down rebel amendments to the Trade and Customs Bill. Number 10 and the Cabinet went through a lot of pain to agree to the Remainers’ demands. Yet today Remain rebels are reneging on the deal and attempting to defeat the government with their customs union amendment. From: HAMMOND, StephenSent: 01 July 2018 To: SANDBACH, Antoinette; SOUBRY, Anna; ALLEN, Heidi; WOLLASTON, Sarah; GRIEVE, Dominic; CLARKE, Kenneth; SUGG, Debbie; MASTERTON, Paul; DJANOGLY, Jonathan; NEILL, Bob; MORGAN, Nicky; VAIZEY, Ed; FREEMAN, George; Tom Tugendhat MP; LEE, Phillip; LEFROY, Jeremy; SPELMAN, Caroline; PAWSEY, Mark; STEVENSON, John; HOLLINRAKE, Kevin; CARTLIDGE, James; CHALK, Alex; HEALD, OliverSubject: Conservative Group for Europe Meeting on Tuesday HiApologies for the round robin of this email. Firstly we will have our usual meeting this week at 5 pm on Tuesday , currently scheduled in CR7. However, more importantly, we have to make the wider voice of Conservatives who want a sensible Brexit and are pro- business heard. Therefore we will probably need to commit to a number of actions this week. I suspect I shall be asking people for help with some different projects. So as a first task please could everyone make a point to call their Whip to deliver the following message; The PM has our support if the Cabinet resolves a proposal which not only allows continued economic alignment but that the Cabinet must also agree the Backstop arrangement. The proposal must be one that the EU will say shows progress and are likely to welcome. No more time nor political capital can be spent on foolish Brexiteer schemes. If the Cabinet can’t agree this then we will force a solution in Trade Bill and the Customs Bill. The only reason a compromise was accepted on meaningful vote was because it delivered what we wanted and we wanted to give the PM the space she asked for at the Council. That Council has now gone and no one should be under any illusion that we will vote against the Government if necessary, as happened in December”. If anyone has any issue or queries , please do get in touch All best Stephen Number 10 caved in to all these demands from their ultra-Remainer rebels, pursuing a soft Brexit to get them onside. Even with the ERG amendments yesterday, the government is still heading towards the softest of Brexits and “continued economic alignment”. And still the Remainers are breaking their promise and trying to keep us even closer to the EU. Shows the dishonesty of the Remainers, claiming that the ERG is controlling the government when it is they who have been coordinating threats to force Number 10 into a non-Brexit… July 17th 2018 @ 2:14 pm 🎶 Always something there to remind me.. 🎶 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted January 29, 2020 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 😴 😴😴😴😴🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 Ben Gummer (Conservative), Ipswich says it all ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted January 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: Ben Gummer (Conservative), Ipswich says it all ! What does it say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 Ipswich man voted against it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted January 29, 2020 Just now, SwindonCanary said: Ipswich man voted against it Voted against what Swindo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Jools said: Aye --- Below is a list of Conservative MPs who backed Remain 👇 Peter Aldous (Conservative), Waveney Edward Argar (Conservative), Charnwood Gavin Barwell (Conservative), Croydon Central Guto Bebb (Conservative), Aberconwy Paul Beresford (Conservative), Mole Valley Jake Berry (Conservative), Rossendale and Darwen Peter Bottomley (Conservative), Worthing West Steve Brine (Conservative), Winchester Robert Buckland (Conservative), Swindon South Simon Burns (Conservative), Chelmsford Alistair Burt (Conservative), Bedfordshire North East James Cartlidge (Conservative), Suffolk South Alun Cairns (Conservative), South Wales West Stephen Crabb (Conservative), Preseli Pembrokeshire Alex Chalk (Conservative), Cheltenham Kenneth Clarke (Conservative), Rushcliffe Greg Clark (Conservative), Tunbridge Wells Byron Davies (Conservative), Gower Sajid Javid (Conservative), Bromsgrove Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative), Huntingdon Oliver Dowden (Conservative), Hertsmere Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative), Thurrock Flick Drummond (Conservative), Portsmouth South Alan Duncan (Conservative), Rutland and Melton Philip Dunne (Conservative), Ludlow Michael Ellis (Conservative), Northampton North Jane Ellison (Conservative), Battersea David Evennett (Conservative), Bexleyheath and Crayford Michael Fallon (Conservative), Darlington Kevin Foster (Conservative), Torbay Lucy Frazer (Conservative), Cambridgeshire South East Mike Freer (Conservative), Finchley and Golders Green Roger Gale (Conservative), Thanet North Edward Garnier (Conservative), Harborough David Gauke (Conservative), South West Hertfordshire John Glen (Conservative), Salisbury Robert Goodwill (Conservative), Scarborough and Whitby Helen Grant (Conservative), Maidstone and The Weald Dominic Grieve (Conservative), Beaconsfield Andrew Griffiths (Conservative), Burton Justine Greening (Conservative), Putney Sam Gyimah (Conservative), Surrey East Mark Harper (Conservative), Forest of Dean Luke Hall (Conservative), Thornbury and Yate Philip Hammond (Conservative), Runnymede and Weybridge Stephen Hammond (Conservative), Wimbledon Robert Halfon (Conservative), Harlow Matt Hancock (Conservative), West Suffolk Greg Hands (Conservative), Chelsea and Fulham Richard Harrington (Conservative), Watford Simon Hart (Conservative), Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire Sir Alan Haselhurst (Conservative), Saffron Walden Oliver Heald (Conservative), Hertfordshire NE James Heappey (Conservative), Wells Peter Heaton-Jones (Conservative), Devon North Nick Herbert (Conservative), Arundel and South Downs Damian Hinds (Conservative), Hampshire East Simon Hoare (Conservative), Dorset North George Hollingbery (Conservative), Meon Valley Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative), Thirsk and Malton Kris Hopkins (Conservative), Keighley John Howell (Conservative), Henley Ben Howlett (Conservative), Bath Nigel Huddleston (Conservative), Worcestershire Mid Nick Hurd (Conservative), Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner Jeremy Hunt (Conservative), South West Surrey Margot James (Conservative), Stourbridge Robert Jenrick (Conservative), Newark Joseph Johnson (Conservative), Orpington Andrew Jones (Conservative), Harrogate and Knaresborough Marcus Jones (Conservative), Nuneaton Seema Kennedy (Conservative), South Ribble Simon Kirby (Conservative), Brighton Kemptown Julian Knight (Conservative), Solihull Mark Lancaster (Conservative), Milton Keynes North Phillip Lee (Conservative), Bracknell Oliver Letwin (Conservative), West Dorset Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative), Stafford Brandon Lewis (Conservative), Great Yarmouth David Lidington (Conservative), Aylesbury David Mackintosh (Conservative), Northampton South Theresa May (Conservative), Maidenhead Alan Mak (Conservative), Havant Tania Mathias (Conservative), Twickenham Mark Menzies (Conservative), Fylde Johnny Mercer (Conservative), Plymouth Moor View Maria Miller (Conservative), Basingstoke Nicky Morgan (Conservative), Loughborough David Mundell (Conservative), South of Scotland Patrick McLoughlin (Conservative), Derbyshire Dales Amanda Milling (Conservative), Cannock Chase Andrew Mitchell (Conservative), Sutton Coldfield David Morris (Conservative), Morecombe and Lunesdale James Morris (Conservative), Halesowen and Rowley Regis Wendy Morton (Conservative), Aldridge-Brownhills David Mowat (Conservative), Warrington South Bob Neill (Conservative), Bromley and Chislehurst Sarah Newton (Conservative), Truro and Falmouth Caroline Nokes (Conservative), Romsey and Southampton North Guy Opperman (Conservative), Hexham George Osborne (Conservative), Tatton Neil Parish (Conservative), Tiverton and Honiton Mark Pawsey (Conservative), Rugby John Penrose (Conservative), Weston-super-Mare Claire Perry (Conservative), Devizes Chris Philp (Conservative), Croydon South Eric Pickles (Conservative), Brentwood and Ongar Dan Poulter (Conservative), Suffolk Central Rebecca Pow (Conservative), Taunton Deane Victoria Prentis (Conservative), Banbury Mark Prisk (Conservative), Hertford and Stortford Mark Pritchard (Conservative), The Wrekin Jeremy Quin (Conservative), Horsham Mary Robinson (Conservative), Cheadle David Rutley (Conservative), Macclesfield Amber Rudd (Conservative), Hastings and Rye Antoinette Sandbach (Conservative), Eddisbury Andrew Selous (Conservative), South West Bedfordshire Grant Shapps (Conservative), Welwyn Hatfield Anna Soubry (Conservative), Broxtowe Alok Sharma (Conservative), Reading West Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative), Elmet and Rothwell Keith Simpson (Conservative), Broadland Chris Skidmore (Conservative), Kingswood Chloe Smith (Conservative), Norwich North Julian Smith (Conservative), Skipton and Ripon Nicholas Soames (Conservative), Mid-Sussex Amanda Solloway (Conservative), Derby North Caroline Spelman (Conservative), Meriden Mark Spencer (Conservative), Sherwood John Stevenson (Conservative), Carlisle Rory Stewart (Conservative), Penrith and The Border Gary Streeter (Conservative), Devon South West Mel Stride (Conservative), Devon Central Graham Stuart (Conservative), Beverley and Holderness Hugo Swire (Conservative), East Devon Maggie Throup (Conservative), Erewash Edward Timpson (Conservative), Crewe and Nantwich Kelly Tolhurst (Conservative), Rochester and Strood David Tredinnick (Conservative), Bosworth Elizabeth Truss (Conservative), South West Norfolk Tom Tugendhat (Conservative), Tonbridge and Malling Andrew Tyrie (Conservative), Chichester Ed Vaizey (Conservative), Wantage Shailesh Vara (Conservative), North West Cambridgeshire Robin Walker (Conservative), Worcester Jeremy Wright (Conservative), Taunton Ben Wallace (Conservative), Wyre and Preston North Matt Warman (Conservative), Boston and Skegness Angela Watkinson (Conservative), Hornchurch and Upminster Helen Whately (Conservative), Faversham and Mid Kent Chris White (Conservative), Warwick and Leamington Craig Whittaker (Conservative), Calder Valley Craig Williams (Conservative), Cardiff North Gavin Williamson (Conservative), Staffordshire South Rob Wilson (Conservative), Reading East Dr Sarah Wollaston (Conservative), Totnes Some Mps who backed remain yet expressly stated they would push for Brexit after the vote. Heidi Allen (Conservative), Cambridgeshire South Victoria Atkins (Conservative), Louth and Horncastle Harriett Baldwin (Conservative), Worcestershire West Richard Benyon (Conservative), Newbury James Berry (Conservative), Kingston and Surbiton Nicola Blackwood (Conservative), Oxford West and Abingdon Nicholas Boles (Conservative), Grantham and Stamford Karen Bradley (Conservative), Staffordshire Moorlands James Brokenshire (Conservative), Old Bexley and Sidcup Neil Carmichael (Conservative), Stroud Jo Churchill (Conservative), Bury St Edmunds Therese Coffey (Conservative), Suffolk Coastal Damian Collins (Conservative), Folkestone and Hythe Oliver Colvile (Conservative), Plymouth Sutton and Devonport Alberto Costa (Conservative), South Leicestershire Caroline Dinenage (Conservative), Gosport Michelle Donelan (Conservative), Chippenham Tobias Ellwood (Conservative), Bournemouth East Charlie Elphicke (Conservative), Dover Graham Evans (Conservative), Weaver Vale Mark Field (Conservative), Cities of London and Westminster George Freeman (Conservative), Norfolk Mid Mark Garnier (Conservative), Wyre Fores Nick Gibb (Conservative), Bognor Regis and Littlehampton Richard Graham (Conservative), Gloucester Damian Green (Conservative), Ashford Ben Gummer (Conservative), Ipswich (ps - Don't tell Hans loopy rolo - leave him in a world of his own - Thick as two short ones.. 😀) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Jools said: W⚓ You are mate, but don’t let it get you down 😘 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Hoola Han Solo said: You are mate, but don’t let it get you down 😘 you always get the wrong end of the stick don't you ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted January 29, 2020 What's the point of that list Swindon? A few of them are in Cabinet. My MP is Transport Secretary. Javid is Chancellor. Some got booted out for sticking to their beliefs and some don't believe in anything other than their careers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted January 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: you always get the wrong end of the stick don't you ? I was turning the insult back on him, someone with your limited brain power wouldn’t be able to get that 👍🏻 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Hoola Han Solo said: I was turning the insult back on him, someone with your limited brain power wouldn’t be able to get that 👍🏻 I got it, you keep doing it to me ! Edited January 29, 2020 by SwindonCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, Herman said: What's the point of that list Swindon? A few of them are in Cabinet. My MP is Transport Secretary. Javid is Chancellor. Some got booted out for sticking to their beliefs and some don't believe in anything other than their careers. I've no idea what the point of the list was, i was just pointing out that it's a bad list with the 1p5wich guy on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted January 29, 2020 My apologies. I didn't see it was from that helmet Jools. Should have guessed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) You mean, shock horror, that career politicians toed the party line when Cameron (the Prime Minister) told them to vote for Remain? Edited January 29, 2020 by Icecream Snow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted January 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said: You mean, shock horror, that career politicians toed the party line when Cameron (the Prime Minister) told them to vote for Remain? I have respect for the MPs that stuck by their principles and got themselves booted out. I have a begrudging respect for MPs like Steve Baker who also stuck by his beliefs. (Not sure what he believes at the moment as he has gone into hiding.) I have zero respect for MPs like Grant Shapps who hae no beliefs whatsoever and will do whatever is best for his prospects. I dislike MPs like Sajid Javid who have performed such a volte face, within months, that there is something seriously wrong with them and they should not be anywhere near power. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: you always get the wrong end of the stick don't you ? Which end does "Pearl" get? 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted January 29, 2020 31 minutes ago, Herman said: I have respect for the MPs that stuck by their principles and got themselves booted out. I have a begrudging respect for MPs like Steve Baker who also stuck by his beliefs. (Not sure what he believes at the moment as he has gone into hiding.) I have zero respect for MPs like Grant Shapps who hae no beliefs whatsoever and will do whatever is best for his prospects. I dislike MPs like Sajid Javid who have performed such a volte face, within months, that there is something seriously wrong with them and they should not be anywhere near power. Fair play to you, those are sensible views 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 30, 2020 The EU has a €95 billion trade surplus with UK to protect. The idea that the EU is in the driving seat is plainly ridiculous. They have severe youth unemployment problems and colossal Target 2 debts. It is entirely possible that these debts will destroy the euro in the not too distant future. Barnier , van Leyden , Varadkar and others can threaten as much as they like but Boris is not May.....and free trading UK on their doorstep is exactly what they fear most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,448 Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: The EU has a €95 billion trade surplus with UK to protect. The idea that the EU is in the driving seat is plainly ridiculous. They have severe youth unemployment problems and colossal Target 2 debts. It is entirely possible that these debts will destroy the euro in the not too distant future. Barnier , van Leyden , Varadkar and others can threaten as much as they like but Boris is not May.....and free trading UK on their doorstep is exactly what they fear most. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46612362 seems to suggest something different. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: The EU has a €95 billion trade surplus with UK to protect. The idea that the EU is in the driving seat is plainly ridiculous. They have severe youth unemployment problems and colossal Target 2 debts. It is entirely possible that these debts will destroy the euro in the not too distant future. Barnier , van Leyden , Varadkar and others can threaten as much as they like but Boris is not May.....and free trading UK on their doorstep is exactly what they fear most. FFS. You still don't get it? If we're in such a good position to negotiate, then why is it that when we tried to get deals done early with India and Australia, they told us to get ****ed? There is nobody waiting to make brilliant deals with us, they're all waiting until the EU negotiation falls apart when the UK will be utterly economically ****ed and then we'll get some (horrendous) deals.... The USA is doing the same thing. They're waiting to pick at the economic carcass because everybody except you seems to realise how far up **** creek we'll be if we can't get a deal with the EU done... and you're banging on about being in the driving seat? You're utterly delusional. The EU has just struck massive deals with Japan and Canada. I'm sure that they will find it massively difficult to make up a few billion in additional tariffs to the UK given the size of those markets. I bet they're quaking in their boots. Edited January 30, 2020 by kick it off 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 30, 2020 You can disagree as much as you like, but I believe Boris will get a good deal. 🎶Always look on the bright side of life🎶 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kick it off 1,948 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: You can disagree as much as you like, but I believe Boris will get a good deal. 🎶Always look on the bright side of life🎶 What exactly is it that makes you think that? Is it the way he has crumbled just like May did in every point of EU negotiation, but put a better PR front on it? The way he managed to go to the EU to demand a renegotiation of May's deal and emerged with one that gave up exactly the same things but will damage our economy by 135 billion instead of 45 billion? Was it when he casually said "**** business"? Yep, sure he'll get a great deal. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44618154 Edited January 30, 2020 by kick it off 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Terminally Yellow 2,448 Posted January 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: You can disagree as much as you like, but I believe Boris will get a good deal. 🎶Always look on the bright side of life🎶 It's tough to "always look on the bright side" of Brexit when it represents such a major roll of the dice on behalf of a whole nation of people. I suspect the outcome will be of benefit to some areas of our life and a serious detriment to others. I don't think we will know exactly the effect for decades to come. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,713 Posted January 30, 2020 Brexiters rely on belief. Everyone sensible relies on facts and truth 23 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said: You can disagree as much as you like, but I believe Boris will get a good deal. 🎶Always look on the bright side of life🎶 "In 2018, Boris Johnson, told the DUP "no British government could or should" sign up to putting a border in the Irish Sea between mainland United Kingdom and Northern Ireland - less than one year later Mr. Johnson put a border in the Irish Sea." https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/watch-boris-johnson-tell-the-dup-in-2018-he-would-never-put-border-in-the-irish-sea-today-he-put-a-border-in-the-irish-sea-1-9110754 If you have put faith in this man then God help this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted January 30, 2020 It would make things so much clearer if you made this you avatar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said: The EU has a €95 billion trade surplus with UK to protect. The idea that the EU is in the driving seat is plainly ridiculous. They have severe youth unemployment problems and colossal Target 2 debts. It is entirely possible that these debts will destroy the euro in the not too distant future. Barnier , van Leyden , Varadkar and others can threaten as much as they like but Boris is not May.....and free trading UK on their doorstep is exactly what they fear most. Swindo, you need to realise it is not 2016 anymore-as the the comedian Jamali Maddix says this is where **** gets real. We now live in an elected dictatorship where the government can do exactly what the want. It is probably the first time since 2003 that we have been in such a majoritarian position. It means the Johnson/Cummings access can, and will, do whatever suits them best. It has been funny for us remainers to see the dawning realisation on the faces of the ERG and the new "Blue Wall" backbenchers how irrelevant they really are. Is Huawei a security risk? Doesn't matter Johnson/Cummings need 5G, and need it quickly while the consequences are way in the future. Suck it up, deal done. Do we scrap HS2 and use the cash to improve transport in the North. Johnson/Cummings need infrastructure spending now, not in the future, it may be an expensive white elephant but it is only shovel ready project in town. It's a go, suck it up. What does that mean for the trade deal you must be thinking? Johnson/Cummings need a deal to exorcise Brexit. Doesn't matter to them what kind of deal: good or bad will do. The consequences are years into the future. So Johnson/Cummings will accept what the EU offers if it can be achieved this year. In return the EU will allow Johnson/Cummings to crow about what a great deal they have achieved. Afterall, it worked with the Withdrawal Deal. Johnson/Cummings gave the cash, the citizens rights, Northern Ireland and a border down the North Sea to the EU and the EU let the Tories crow about only Johnson could achieve the unachievable, reopen the deal and remove the backstop. Suck it up Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted January 30, 2020 48 minutes ago, TCCANARY said: It would make things so much clearer if you made this you avatar. I've been using this avatar since 2003 on here, I'm not likely to change ! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
