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4 hours ago, paul moy said:

People voted to control immigration and this is part of that policy in order to determine who has a right to remain in the UK based on Brexit agreement.  Every country in the world controls its immigration apart from those silly EU linked nations who will pay the price of their stupidity in good time.

This view is so 2016.

For those who voted because of immigration it wasn't to control it, it was to reduce it. The control element was only added later to make this seem slightly more acceptable. The reason that immigration was perceived an a issue was down to a relentless stream of scare stories pushed at the electorate by leavers, the Mail, the Express, Guido etc in order to win the referendum (very successfully as it turned out). Now it is won, the stories have stopped and you know what? It is no longer considered an issue. You know why? It was never a significant problem.

The Johnson plan is to bureaucractise the system. Immigration will continue much as it would have before we left the EU but the immigrants will just need to fill in the correct forms. The drivers remain the same: shortages of low paid manpower in the hospitality, care and agriculture sectors; shortages of skills in the health and technology sectors; and the need to maintain growth. Immigration will be starved of the oxygen of publicity. Free movement will remain for the highly skilled and the rich, for the lowskilled there might be a change of the colour of some of the faces and hugely expensive red tape that will need to be paid for by the British taxpayer. Apart from that numbers will be the same as they would have been if we remained.

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41 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

The settled status scheme has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling immigration - those EU citizens already in the UK have a right to be here now and the Withdrawal Agreement guarantees their right to remain here. The Settled Status scheme has been introduced to sow doubt and confusion, and where possible to convince people not to exercise their rights, and also as Herman so rightly says to convince idiots like you that they are 'doing something' about immigration - so far it has been successful with all those goals.

This is how lefties always get it wrong, as they have absolutely no commonsense.   So allowing foreign people to remain and trying to determine the numbers while giving them evidence as to why they can stay is nothing to do with immigration ?    OK  ...LOL

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1 minute ago, BigFish said:

This view is so 2016.

For those who voted because of immigration it wasn't to control it, it was to reduce it. The control element was only added later to make this seem slightly more acceptable. The reason that immigration was perceived an a issue was down to a relentless stream of scare stories pushed at the electorate by leavers, the Mail, the Express, Guido etc in order to win the referendum (very successfully as it turned out). Now it is won, the stories have stopped and you know what? It is no longer considered an issue. You know why? It was never a significant problem.

The Johnson plan is to bureaucractise the system. Immigration will continue much as it would have before we left the EU but the immigrants will just need to fill in the correct forms. The drivers remain the same: shortages of low paid manpower in the hospitality, care and agriculture sectors; shortages of skills in the health and technology sectors; and the need to maintain growth. Immigration will be starved of the oxygen of publicity. Free movement will remain for the highly skilled and the rich, for the lowskilled there might be a change of the colour of some of the faces and hugely expensive red tape that will need to be paid for by the British taxpayer. Apart from that numbers will be the same as they would have been if we remained.

There we go again. Lefties trying to muddy the waters with semantics and idiocy.  You cannot control immigration without knowing who has a right to be here and who has no right.    LOL

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44 minutes ago, paul moy said:

There we go again. Lefties trying to muddy the waters with semantics and idiocy.  You cannot control immigration without knowing who has a right to be here and who has no right.    LOL

Pity the bit that we have control over keeps on going up then. ...... LOL

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/28/non-eu-migrants-hit-near-record-levels-eu-migration-falls-16/

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We could control EU immigration. We didn't. We could control non EU immigration. We didn't. 

Moyo should ask why not. 

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3 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

Pity the bit that we have control over keeps on going up then. ...... LOL

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/28/non-eu-migrants-hit-near-record-levels-eu-migration-falls-16/

Yep, I was going to reply to @paul moy with my lefty semantics (otherwise known as the English language) to explain the difference between control and reduce adding that the electorate no longer consider this as a major issues but this just about does the job. Thanks

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12 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit !

 

2010 - The coalition is pledged to the Conservative manifesto policy of getting net migration – the number of people who come into the country to work or study minus the numbers who go to live abroad – down from "hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands" by the time of the next general election.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/05/theresa-may-immigration-crackdown

Even if you completely ignore EU migration, the Tories have been in power for ten years, they haven't even achieved that with non-EU immigration 

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30 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit !

The Brexwits would have found some other snake oil to sell to the thickos.

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16 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit !

Rather proves what I mean, Cameron asked for something the UK didn't need and the electorate now are not particularly bothered about getting and we are leaving because he didn't get it. Madness.

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40 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit !

Maybe you should actually see what Cameron did ask for. A bit late for facts, but still.....

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Good ol' Nigel (Mr Brexit) --- Winding them up to the very last 😀  👇

 

 

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

If Cameron had got what he asked for, control of who comes in, There would have been no Brexit !

Yes that is indeed probably true as immigration linked to EU freedom of movement has been the biggest disaster for the lowest paid as well as the massive additional demands put on welfare and infrastructure.  We can thank the EU for being so intransigent as we are about to save a billion pounds a month plus into perpetuity that can be spent on our own needs rather than feeding the EU's black-hole of grandiose schemes. 

Let's hope the pig-headed intransigence continues and that we leave on WTO terms.

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41 minutes ago, Jools said:

Good ol' Nigel (Mr Brexit) --- Winding them up to the very last 😀  👇

 

 

I loved the bit at the end !!!!!!   LOL

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Just now, paul moy said:

I loved the bit at the end !!!!!!   LOL

😀👍 That's the only thing I'm going to miss about not being in the EU --- Mr. Brexit tearing them a new one 😎

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LOL.

And the EU benefits by not having fascist farage and his merry band of gimps stinking out the European Parliament. (Not that the parasites were there that often.)

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1 minute ago, Herman said:

LOL.

And the EU benefits by not having fascist farage and his merry band of gimps stinking out the European Parliament. (Not that the parasites were there that often.)

Make the most of your last few months........ LOL

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Jools and Moy. This is called dignity. You wouldn't know it, it lives in a different place to you.

 

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

LOL.

And the EU benefits by not having fascist farage and his merry band of gimps stinking out the European Parliament. (Not that the parasites were there that often.)

blah-blah-blah... 🙃

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1 hour ago, Icecream Snow said:

 

2010 - The coalition is pledged to the Conservative manifesto policy of getting net migration – the number of people who come into the country to work or study minus the numbers who go to live abroad – down from "hundreds of thousands to tens of thousands" by the time of the next general election.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/05/theresa-may-immigration-crackdown

Even if you completely ignore EU migration, the Tories have been in power for ten years, they haven't even achieved that with non-EU immigration 

There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job.

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34 minutes ago, paul moy said:

There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job.

Always a scapegoat for Moy 😂

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53 minutes ago, paul moy said:

There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job.

Are you a parody or you actually that absolutely brain dead?

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3 hours ago, paul moy said:

This is how lefties always get it wrong, as they have absolutely no commonsense.   So allowing foreign people to remain and trying to determine the numbers while giving them evidence as to why they can stay is nothing to do with immigration ?    OK  ...LOL

Paul do you understand what is meant by a right?? Because it would appear not, and you always get it wrong because what you assume is commonsense is actually total ignorance.

If you are talking about EU citizens who are living in the UK, which is what we were talking about, then 'allowing them to remain' doesn't come into it. They have a right to remain, they are entitled to remain, they require no permission to remain - what part of this do you not understand??

Just as the millions of UK citizens currently living in EU27 countries also have the right to remain there if they wish to do so.

More ill-informed (and frankly unintelligible) nonsense from Paul Moy.

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

Make the most of your last few months........ LOL

If you took the trouble to acquaint yourself with any of the facts, like the financial settlement within the Withdrawal Agreement for example, then you would know that we're going to be paying significant sums to the EU for the next eight to ten years and smaller amounts until 2064.

Months 😂🤣😂🤣😂

Yet more ill-informed nonsense from Paul Moy.

 

 

 

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

Always a scapegoat for Moy 😂

True but he seems to be excelling himself.

I've thought for a long time that 'leftie' seems to be a meaningless term as people like mad Moyo, Jools, RTB et al seem to apply it to anyone and everyone who dissents from their fascist views but I must admit that it's the first time I've heard it applied to Tory MPs.

Actually I'm pretty upset at being grouped with Tory MPs or even ex-Tory MPs   😂

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

There were too many 'leftie remainers' in the Tory party acting as a drag. The swamp has now been drained so they can now get on with the job.

Aye ---  Below is a list of Conservative MPs who backed Remain  👇 

 

Peter Aldous (Conservative), Waveney

Edward Argar (Conservative), Charnwood

Gavin Barwell (Conservative), Croydon Central

Guto Bebb (Conservative), Aberconwy

Paul Beresford (Conservative), Mole Valley

Jake Berry (Conservative), Rossendale and Darwen

Peter Bottomley (Conservative), Worthing West

Steve Brine (Conservative), Winchester

Robert Buckland (Conservative), Swindon South

Simon Burns (Conservative), Chelmsford

Alistair Burt (Conservative), Bedfordshire North East

James Cartlidge (Conservative), Suffolk South

Alun Cairns (Conservative), South Wales West

Stephen Crabb (Conservative), Preseli Pembrokeshire

Alex Chalk (Conservative), Cheltenham

Kenneth Clarke (Conservative), Rushcliffe

Greg Clark (Conservative), Tunbridge Wells

Byron Davies (Conservative), Gower

Sajid Javid (Conservative), Bromsgrove

Jonathan Djanogly (Conservative), Huntingdon

Oliver Dowden (Conservative), Hertsmere

Jackie Doyle-Price (Conservative), Thurrock

Flick Drummond (Conservative), Portsmouth South

Alan Duncan (Conservative), Rutland and Melton

Philip Dunne (Conservative), Ludlow

Michael Ellis (Conservative), Northampton North

Jane Ellison (Conservative), Battersea

David Evennett (Conservative), Bexleyheath and Crayford

Michael Fallon (Conservative), Darlington

Kevin Foster (Conservative), Torbay

Lucy Frazer (Conservative), Cambridgeshire South East

Mike Freer (Conservative), Finchley and Golders Green

Roger Gale (Conservative), Thanet North

Edward Garnier (Conservative), Harborough

David Gauke (Conservative), South West Hertfordshire

John Glen (Conservative), Salisbury

Robert Goodwill (Conservative), Scarborough and Whitby

Helen Grant (Conservative), Maidstone and The Weald

Dominic Grieve (Conservative), Beaconsfield

Andrew Griffiths (Conservative), Burton

Justine Greening (Conservative), Putney

Sam Gyimah (Conservative), Surrey East

Mark Harper (Conservative), Forest of Dean

Luke Hall (Conservative), Thornbury and Yate

Philip Hammond (Conservative), Runnymede and Weybridge

Stephen Hammond (Conservative), Wimbledon

Robert Halfon (Conservative), Harlow

Matt Hancock (Conservative), West Suffolk

Greg Hands (Conservative), Chelsea and Fulham

Richard Harrington (Conservative), Watford

Simon Hart (Conservative), Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire

Sir Alan Haselhurst (Conservative), Saffron Walden

Oliver Heald (Conservative), Hertfordshire NE

James Heappey (Conservative), Wells

Peter Heaton-Jones (Conservative), Devon North

Nick Herbert (Conservative), Arundel and South Downs

Damian Hinds (Conservative), Hampshire East

Simon Hoare (Conservative), Dorset North

George Hollingbery (Conservative), Meon Valley

Kevin Hollinrake (Conservative), Thirsk and Malton

Kris Hopkins (Conservative), Keighley

John Howell (Conservative), Henley

Ben Howlett (Conservative), Bath

Nigel Huddleston (Conservative), Worcestershire Mid

Nick Hurd (Conservative), Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner

Jeremy Hunt (Conservative), South West Surrey

Margot James (Conservative), Stourbridge

Robert Jenrick (Conservative), Newark

Joseph Johnson (Conservative), Orpington

Andrew Jones (Conservative), Harrogate and Knaresborough

Marcus Jones (Conservative), Nuneaton

Seema Kennedy (Conservative), South Ribble

Simon Kirby (Conservative), Brighton Kemptown

Julian Knight (Conservative), Solihull

Mark Lancaster (Conservative), Milton Keynes North

Phillip Lee (Conservative), Bracknell

Oliver Letwin (Conservative), West Dorset

Jeremy Lefroy (Conservative), Stafford

Brandon Lewis (Conservative), Great Yarmouth

David Lidington (Conservative), Aylesbury

David Mackintosh (Conservative), Northampton South

Theresa May (Conservative), Maidenhead

Alan Mak (Conservative), Havant

Tania Mathias (Conservative), Twickenham

Mark Menzies (Conservative), Fylde

Johnny Mercer (Conservative), Plymouth Moor View

Maria Miller (Conservative), Basingstoke

Nicky Morgan (Conservative), Loughborough

David Mundell (Conservative), South of Scotland

Patrick McLoughlin (Conservative), Derbyshire Dales

Amanda Milling (Conservative), Cannock Chase

Andrew Mitchell (Conservative), Sutton Coldfield

David Morris (Conservative), Morecombe and Lunesdale

James Morris (Conservative), Halesowen and Rowley Regis

Wendy Morton (Conservative), Aldridge-Brownhills

David Mowat (Conservative), Warrington South

Bob Neill (Conservative), Bromley and Chislehurst

Sarah Newton (Conservative), Truro and Falmouth

Caroline Nokes (Conservative), Romsey and Southampton North

Guy Opperman (Conservative), Hexham

George Osborne (Conservative), Tatton

Neil Parish (Conservative), Tiverton and Honiton

Mark Pawsey (Conservative), Rugby

John Penrose (Conservative), Weston-super-Mare

Claire Perry (Conservative), Devizes

Chris Philp (Conservative), Croydon South

Eric Pickles (Conservative), Brentwood and Ongar

Dan Poulter (Conservative), Suffolk Central

Rebecca Pow (Conservative), Taunton Deane

Victoria Prentis (Conservative), Banbury

Mark Prisk (Conservative), Hertford and Stortford

Mark Pritchard (Conservative), The Wrekin

Jeremy Quin (Conservative), Horsham

Mary Robinson (Conservative), Cheadle

David Rutley (Conservative), Macclesfield

Amber Rudd (Conservative), Hastings and Rye

Antoinette Sandbach (Conservative), Eddisbury

Andrew Selous (Conservative), South West Bedfordshire

Grant Shapps (Conservative), Welwyn Hatfield

Anna Soubry (Conservative), Broxtowe

Alok Sharma (Conservative), Reading West

Alec Shelbrooke (Conservative), Elmet and Rothwell

Keith Simpson (Conservative), Broadland

Chris Skidmore (Conservative), Kingswood

Chloe Smith (Conservative), Norwich North

Julian Smith (Conservative), Skipton and Ripon

Nicholas Soames (Conservative), Mid-Sussex

Amanda Solloway (Conservative), Derby North

Caroline Spelman (Conservative), Meriden

Mark Spencer (Conservative), Sherwood

John Stevenson (Conservative), Carlisle

Rory Stewart (Conservative), Penrith and The Border

Gary Streeter (Conservative), Devon South West

Mel Stride (Conservative), Devon Central

Graham Stuart (Conservative), Beverley and Holderness

Hugo Swire (Conservative), East Devon

Maggie Throup (Conservative), Erewash

Edward Timpson (Conservative), Crewe and Nantwich

Kelly Tolhurst (Conservative), Rochester and Strood

David Tredinnick (Conservative), Bosworth

Elizabeth Truss (Conservative), South West Norfolk

Tom Tugendhat (Conservative), Tonbridge and Malling

Andrew Tyrie (Conservative), Chichester

Ed Vaizey (Conservative), Wantage

Shailesh Vara (Conservative), North West Cambridgeshire

Robin Walker (Conservative), Worcester

Jeremy Wright (Conservative), Taunton

Ben Wallace (Conservative), Wyre and Preston North

Matt Warman (Conservative), Boston and Skegness

Angela Watkinson (Conservative), Hornchurch and Upminster

Helen Whately (Conservative), Faversham and Mid Kent

Chris White (Conservative), Warwick and Leamington

Craig Whittaker (Conservative), Calder Valley

Craig Williams (Conservative), Cardiff North

Gavin Williamson (Conservative), Staffordshire South

Rob Wilson (Conservative), Reading East

Dr Sarah Wollaston (Conservative), Totnes

Some Mps who backed remain yet expressly stated they would push for Brexit after the vote.

Heidi Allen (Conservative), Cambridgeshire South

Victoria Atkins (Conservative), Louth and Horncastle

Harriett Baldwin (Conservative), Worcestershire West

Richard Benyon (Conservative), Newbury

James Berry (Conservative), Kingston and Surbiton

Nicola Blackwood (Conservative), Oxford West and Abingdon

Nicholas Boles (Conservative), Grantham and Stamford

Karen Bradley (Conservative), Staffordshire Moorlands

James Brokenshire (Conservative), Old Bexley and Sidcup

Neil Carmichael (Conservative), Stroud

Jo Churchill (Conservative), Bury St Edmunds

Therese Coffey (Conservative), Suffolk Coastal

Damian Collins (Conservative), Folkestone and Hythe

Oliver Colvile (Conservative), Plymouth Sutton and Devonport

Alberto Costa (Conservative), South Leicestershire

Caroline Dinenage (Conservative), Gosport

Michelle Donelan (Conservative), Chippenham

Tobias Ellwood (Conservative), Bournemouth East

Charlie Elphicke (Conservative), Dover

Graham Evans (Conservative), Weaver Vale

Mark Field (Conservative), Cities of London and Westminster

George Freeman (Conservative), Norfolk Mid

Mark Garnier (Conservative), Wyre Fores

Nick Gibb (Conservative), Bognor Regis and Littlehampton

Richard Graham (Conservative), Gloucester

Damian Green (Conservative), Ashford

Ben Gummer (Conservative), Ipswich

 

(ps - Don't tell Hans loopy rolo - leave him in a world of his own - Thick as two short ones.. 😀)


  

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