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11 hours ago, Mr Apples said:

Has RTB gone to ground again after yesterday's epic fail? It's becoming quite the pattern these days... 🤭🤣

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I see my fan cub are out in force tonight.  

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On 02/12/2019 at 16:13, Surfer said:

So your solution is not to allow "these people" into the country and then you say four hundred British fighters have returned from Syria. 

So they are British. What do you propose? Do you want to track the movement of all British people who leave the country so we won't allow them back in? Strip them of their nationality? If so, send them where? 

Do enlighten us how we put the genie back in the bottle.... 

Just because you were born in a stable doesn't mean you are a horse

There is much more to having a national identity than having been born within the borders of a particular country. technically, they may hold a British passport but that doesn't mean they are British in heart and affiliation. So we should strip them of their British nationality for a start and deport them. They can go and seek asylum in the EU for all I care, and since most of the Jihadist are second generation immigrants we can readily identify the original nationality of their parents and ship the whole lot of them out, let them find a country willing to take them in.

We then need to tighten up on our citizenship laws and part of it demands an oath of allegiance to the Crown in order to be recognised as British. Something that would cause a lot of difficulty to you Remoaners, I should imagine.

 

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25 minutes ago, Herman said:

Have you actually made your mind up what you wanted? Soft Brexit, hard Brexit, May's Brexit, Johnson's Brexit? You've changed like the wind over the years.

Always been a soft Brexit, now some would say that's a Labour Brexit, and they would possibly be right, but a Labour Brexit will never win a referendum so I am left with a Tory Brexit or no Brexit, if thats the choice then it's a Tory Brexit for me.

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More Leftist lunacy:

I do try to be supportive of the working classes, but when it comes to politics they really should just leave it to their betters. After all, we know that democracy doesn’t work if people vote the wrong way.

And the problem with these working-class types is that there are just so many of them. You would have thought with their lack of hygiene and poor comprehension skills they would have died out by now.

Many of them seem determined to support parties that will implement the result of the Brexit referendum, which is plainly absurd. For a start, the population clearly didn’t know what they were voting for. When they said they wanted to leave the EU, they didn’t necessarily think that meant leaving the EU.

Try asking any Brexit supporter why they voted Leave. The answer is always the same: “A bus told me to.” Such are the dire consequences of universal suffrage. Everyone mocked Anna Soubry when she tweeted that Brexit is “the most important decision facing our country since WW3”, but I have no doubt whatsoever that Brexit could lead to a fourth world war. They won’t be laughing then.

And now with a general election looming we might well be facing a similar catastrophe. Apparently, due to our archaic “first past the post” system, there is a risk that if Boris Johnson receives the most votes he might actually win. This is unacceptable.

This is why I applaud Jeremy Corbyn’s suggestion that we lower the voting age to 16. I would take this a step further and suggest that only the under 12s should be allowed to vote. As Whitney Houston said, “The children are our future.” And we can always threaten to take away their smartphones if they don’t vote Labour.

Or how about this for a solution? Let’s allow everybody to vote in the general election, but make it illegal to opt for the Tories or the Brexit Party. That way, we can stop a fascist party from getting elected, but we still have democracy. It’s a win-win.

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Titania McGrath = Shaniqua O'Toole = Andrew Doyle = Ex-Writer for Jonathon Pie = Bleh!

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

Titania McGrath = Shaniqua O'Toole = Andrew Doyle = Ex-Writer for Jonathon Pie = Bleh!

Comedy Gold is RTB. Some mothers do have them! Its not even difficult to look up !

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46 minutes ago, Herman said:

That makes no sense whatsoever. I'm voting Labour because I have no choice. LibDems is my first preference but they would need an enormous swing to get anywhere.

Party Candidate Votes % ±
  Conservative Grant Shapps 26,374 51.0 +0.7
  Labour Anawar Miah 19,005 36.8 +10.6
  Liberal Democrats Nigel Quinton 3,836 7.4 +1.2
  UKIP Dean Milliken 1,441 2.8 -10.3
  Green Christianne Sayers 835 1.6 -1.9
  Independent Melvyn Jones 178 0.3 N/A
Majority 7,369 14.2 -10.0
Turnout 51,669 71.0 +2.5
  Conservative hold Swing −5.0  

I'm Norwich South but same as you I'm not a Corbyn Labour fan. That said I don't want the Tories in by accident. 

Quite why some on here seem to think that anybody who doesn't believe in Brexit must be a Corbynista is beyond me.

Tactical voting.

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33 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

More Leftist lunacy:

I do try to be supportive of the working classes, but when it comes to politics they really should just leave it to their betters. After all, we know that democracy doesn’t work if people vote the wrong way.

And the problem with these working-class types is that there are just so many of them. You would have thought with their lack of hygiene and poor comprehension skills they would have died out by now.

Many of them seem determined to support parties that will implement the result of the Brexit referendum, which is plainly absurd. For a start, the population clearly didn’t know what they were voting for. When they said they wanted to leave the EU, they didn’t necessarily think that meant leaving the EU.

Try asking any Brexit supporter why they voted Leave. The answer is always the same: “A bus told me to.” Such are the dire consequences of universal suffrage. Everyone mocked Anna Soubry when she tweeted that Brexit is “the most important decision facing our country since WW3”, but I have no doubt whatsoever that Brexit could lead to a fourth world war. They won’t be laughing then.

And now with a general election looming we might well be facing a similar catastrophe. Apparently, due to our archaic “first past the post” system, there is a risk that if Boris Johnson receives the most votes he might actually win. This is unacceptable.

This is why I applaud Jeremy Corbyn’s suggestion that we lower the voting age to 16. I would take this a step further and suggest that only the under 12s should be allowed to vote. As Whitney Houston said, “The children are our future.” And we can always threaten to take away their smartphones if they don’t vote Labour.

Or how about this for a solution? Let’s allow everybody to vote in the general election, but make it illegal to opt for the Tories or the Brexit Party. That way, we can stop a fascist party from getting elected, but we still have democracy. It’s a win-win.

Surely you can see that this is satire?

Surely??

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5 hours ago, ricardo said:

Shouldn't have picked an unelectable leader.

Don't think its anything like as simple as that - 2017 actually showed that Corbyn isn't unelectable but then the last two and half years have shown that he isn't a leader either.

Labour would undoubtedly be performing better with, for example, Keir Starmer as leader but it wouldn't alter the fact that Labour as a party are well past their sell by date, just as the Tories are long past theirs. But nevertheless we are still in the postion of having a dysfunctional FPTP system channeling voters into one or other of two useless parties, both stuck in the last century (and that's being very kind to the Tories!) neither of which have got a clue about how to address the massive problems this country faces.

But that isn't going to stop maybe 75% of voters voting for one or t'other - what a shambles and what a sad reflection on how far this country's standards have fallen.

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12 hours ago, Van wink said:

Flogging away at the "NHS for sale" is not a good strategy imo, if the evidence was there and the Tories were obviously persuing that agenda then great, but as it is they are flogging a horse that died some time ago. Waste of time.

It seems like the right wing press disagrees with you.. If they think the NHS for sale being a non starter they wouldn't be desperately trying to persuade their readers that it's not true. 

The Great Brexit closing down sale. Everything must go. (To big American corporations.) 

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10 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Just because you were born in a stable doesn't mean you are a horse

There is much more to having a national identity than having been born within the borders of a particular country. technically, they may hold a British passport but that doesn't mean they are British in heart and affiliation. So we should strip them of their British nationality for a start and deport them. They can go and seek asylum in the EU for all I care, and since most of the Jihadist are second generation immigrants we can readily identify the original nationality of their parents and ship the whole lot of them out, let them find a country willing to take them in.

We then need to tighten up on our citizenship laws and part of it demands an oath of allegiance to the Crown in order to be recognised as British. Something that would cause a lot of difficulty to you Remoaners, I should imagine.

 

Have you ever researched your family history? Hopefully you’re not properly british and by your criteria we can deport you. You’re doing a spectacular job of displaying your racism and bigotry 😀👍🏻

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BBC POLL TRACKER

It's looking good, no change since the start of November Conservative still hold the same lead 👍

Party support: 2 December 2019     and in November it was

Party Average (%) Likely range                                                            Party Average (%) Likely range
CON 42 (38-46)                                                                                       CON 40
LAB 31 (27-35)                                                                                        LAB 29
LD 14 (10-18)                                                                                           LIB 15
BRX 4 (0-8)                                                                                               BRX 7
 
 
 
 
 

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15 hours ago, Yellow Fever said:

Comedy Gold is RTB. Some mothers do have them! Its not even difficult to look up !

Took you long enough to work it out. Actually, you didn't. It was Herman. You just tagged along behind

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5 hours ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

Have you ever researched your family history? Hopefully you’re not properly british and by your criteria we can deport you. You’re doing a spectacular job of displaying your racism and bigotry 😀👍🏻

This is always the problem. We have an act of highly avoidable terrorism on our shores and immediately comes the attempts to shutdown discourse on the subject matter. You are part of the problem.

A relative has researched our family history and I have a Norfolk lineage back to the fourteenth century. How about you?

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36 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

This is always the problem. We have an act of highly avoidable terrorism on our shores and immediately comes the attempts to shutdown discourse on the subject matter. You are part of the problem.

Not really - we have an act of highly avoidable terrorism and your idea of discourse is to attempt to scapegoat whole sections of the population in a pathetically feeble attempt to deflect blame/responsibility away from where it really lies - our dysfunctional and deceitful government which for reasons that are beyond my understanding you apparently wish to see in office for a further five years of incompetent, chaotic and malign governance.

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Let's leave RTB comments up there for all to see. It show's how slippery the slope is back to his gutter.  What will he come up with next? It's a warning to us all of how to go back to the 1930s.

I know it's a knee-jerk response devoid of all intelligence or thought and worse attempts to smear anybody who doesn't agree with his very own interpretation of 'British' as somehow complicit in the acts of an evil and deranged man who the police correctly dispatched to oblivion in the circumstances.

 

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58 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Not really - we have an act of highly avoidable terrorism and your idea of discourse is to attempt to scapegoat whole sections of the population in a pathetically feeble attempt to deflect blame/responsibility away from where it really lies - our dysfunctional and deceitful government which for reasons that are beyond my understanding you apparently wish to see in office for a further five years of incompetent, chaotic and malign governance.

Highlighting the actions of Jihadists and those that aid them is hardly a large ’section of the population'. In fact in percentage terms it is a very small percentage of the population. But it is a section that is highly definable and therefore ought to be easy to deal with. And I agree with you that governments have been very dysfunctional and incompetent in dealing with Jihadists. Governments need to be far more robust in dealing and preventing the problem arising in the first place. 

I think your choice of the word 'dysfunctional' recognises the need for governments to sort themselves out when dealing with terrorism. The big problem they have is when people suggest measures then the reaction from another 'section of the population' is to cry racist, bigot and other smears in an attempt to shutdown discourse. It happens all the time, and on this thread as well. Because of this, you are part of the problem. 

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48 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Let's leave RTB comments up there for all to see. It show's how slippery the slope is back to his gutter.  What will he come up with next? It's a warning to us all of how to go back to the 1930s.

I know it's a knee-jerk response devoid of all intelligence or thought and worse attempts to smear anybody who doesn't agree with his very own interpretation of 'British' as somehow complicit in the acts of an evil and deranged man who the police correctly dispatched to oblivion in the circumstances.

 

Yes and you are one of the worst offenders in trying to shutdown a debate through smear and insinuation. It is a tactic employed by those that lack an argument. 

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If there is any section of the population that is likely to drag us back to the 1930s, it is those intending to hold their nose and vote for the party led by the anti-Semite, Corbyn. 

In Germany they held their nose and voted for another anti-Semite, whose supporters were very good at shutting down debate. 

The parallels between the German National Socialist Party and Labour's socialist party are alarming and I will fight them every inch of the way. 

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17 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

If there is any section of the population that is likely to drag us back to the 1930s, it is those intending to hold their nose and vote for the party led by the anti-Semite, Corbyn. 

In Germany they held their nose and voted for another anti-Semite, whose supporters were very good at shutting down debate. 

The parallels between the German National Socialist Party and Labour's socialist party are alarming and I will fight them every inch of the way. 

 

Keep going - its getting  funnier and ever sadder. I don't want your comments removed - the disinfectant of public scrutiny is far more effective.

Most of us know that the 'Socialist' in German National Socialist Party was nothing of the sort. Same as 'Democratic' as in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea does not make it Democratic (or the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (DDR) for that matter)

Given your previous comments or 'epic fails' as somebody put it that's probably news to you - go and check it out!

By the way - Has Corbyn personally made an anti-semitic comment ? Not that I'm actually aware of (that would be a gift to the rags). There are (or where) lots of people in the Labour party who have indeed made such comments and equally in other parties. The complaint against Corbyn seems to be he has not acted quickly or swiftly enough to get on top of it.

Much the same could be made about Johnson's grubby comments and the Tories vs Islamophobia (and a few anti-semites there too).

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37 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

Most of us know that the 'Socialist' in German National Socialist Party was nothing of the sort. 

This claim always makes me smile.😀

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3 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

This is always the problem. We have an act of highly avoidable terrorism on our shores and immediately comes the attempts to shutdown discourse on the subject matter. You are part of the problem.

A relative has researched our family history and I have a Norfolk lineage back to the fourteenth century. How about you?

Hate filled right wingers scared about anything or anybody different to them. You’re a part of the problem. A sad and out of touch little man.

Our country is a melting pot of different nationalities and creed going back millennia. There are probably very few people that are truly ‘British’ by your skewed reasoning. 

I have an Irish surname, so I’ve just books a one way trip to the Emerald Isle, best to get out of the way of loons 🤪🤪🤪 like you.
 

 

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1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

 

Keep going - its getting  funnier and ever sadder. I don't want your comments removed - the disinfectant of public scrutiny is far more effective.

Most of us know that the 'Socialist' in German National Socialist Party was nothing of the sort. Same as 'Democratic' as in the Democratic People's Republic of Korea does not make it Democratic (or the Deutsche Demokratische Republik (DDR) for that matter)

Given your previous comments or 'epic fails' as somebody put it that's probably news to you - go and check it out!

By the way - Has Corbyn personally made an anti-semitic comment ? Not that I'm actually aware of (that would be a gift to the rags). There are (or where) lots of people in the Labour party who have indeed made such comments and equally in other parties. The complaint against Corbyn seems to be he has not acted quickly or swiftly enough to get on top of it.

Much the same could be made about Johnson's grubby comments and the Tories vs Islamophobia (and a few anti-semites there too).

Good point - Dock the Boat is happy to get behind openly homophobic and racist morons like Johnson and his boy Farage. Probably because they remind him of himself.

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2 minutes ago, Hoola Han Solo said:

Good point - Dock the Boat is happy to get behind openly homophobic and racist morons like Johnson and his boy Farage. Probably because they remind him of himself.

I just find those that make casual anti-semitic comments about Corbyn should take a long hard look at themselves in the mirror.

Anti-semitism is and was rife in Europe for centuries stemming from blaming the 'Jews' for the death of Christ (himself most certainly a Jew). It's been a long road since not helped today by conflation of criticism of the State of Israel and being anti-Jewish. Idiot people on both sides of that argument aren't beyond point scoring  where no 'racism' was intended. Good, bad and sad people everywhere.

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RTB, pointing out your errors  (virtually every post) is not stifling debate. You just troll out the same old thing. Corbyn is a Marxist, terrorist loving, trying to bankrupt Britain, no good. Unless you change the record, you cannot have a debate. Only an argument.

 

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So RTB, thank you so much for your response. 

I’m sure all potential Jihadi’s would be repelled from swearing an oath of allegiance to the Crown, just like vampires repelled by garlic. That is as nonsensical as the US Visa form you filled in asking “Have you ever been a terrorist?” Why officer, no, no I have not, I swear, no.  

When would this oath of allegiance be held - at 18? Are you not a British citizen until that age if so? What can we swear the oath on - a Bible, the Koran, Mein Kampf, Animal Farm? What if you have a religious objection? After all the Queen is the head of the Church of England.... and one of the greatest English statesmen, Thomas Cromwell was executed for failing to swear total allegiance to the will of King Henry VIII.

So we’d have to sort all that out....

Meanwhile what about digging into the causes of radicalization - the few Imams and other religious leaders that are spreading hate, and while we are at it newspaper editors and owners who are also spreading hate - surely free speech has limits right? And could we wean the world off of fossil fuels so we don’t have to invade Middle East countries every 20 years or so? I just thank God  (and MPs) we have sensible gun controls in the UK.

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2 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

I think your choice of the word 'dysfunctional' recognises the need for governments to sort themselves out when dealing with terrorism. The big problem they have is when people suggest measures then the reaction from another 'section of the population' is to cry racist, bigot and other smears in an attempt to shutdown discourse. It happens all the time, and on this thread as well. Because of this, you are part of the problem. 

Oh dear, now I'm part of the problem as well - presumably because I don't agree with you either.

The big problem is nothing to do with peoples' reaction to 'suggested measures' or at least they wouldn't be if this dysfunctional government (and its two predecessors) had proposed sensible measures which have a reasonable chance of being effective.

Instead we get knee-jeck and utterly ineffective measures based on stereotypical prejudices much like your own response, and of course that's before we get onto the fact that the major action that the Tories have actually taken with respect to both our border and internal security for the last 9 years is to massively cut the funding and numbers - the fact that there was a very big public reaction to that made no difference whatsoever to those actions being implemented, so I don't think any thread of your argument holds water.

When you also consider that our legal system which allows terrorists out on licence, plus our border, security and police services are all ultimately the responsibility of a Home Office that is so utterly incompetent and uncorncerned with the welfare of British citizens that they've illegally deported many peaceful British citizens, wasted huge police undercover resources infiltrating peaceful protest groups whose views are politically inconvenient, etc, etc etc - then it's hardly surprising that an occasional terrorist slips through the net.

The notion that making everyone swear an oath to the Queen (or similar) is going to achieve anything is frankly risible and, as I said originally, a pathetic attempt to deflect responsiblity and blame away from where it quite obviously lies.

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Back on the polling .... this is a useful analysis of the various polling company's "bias"

 

Polling Company Bias.jpg

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