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4 minutes ago, Herman said:

 

Labour failed in not dealing with clear anti semitism in their party a long time ago. Others using it to win arguments are failing the people they pretend to care about. It stinks. 

It’s was raised by Ian Austin Herman.

 

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1 minute ago, Van wink said:

If you think the best way to solve a problem is to pretend it doesn’t exist, and become abusive that’s your privilege Billy 👍

the supposed 'problem' is in your head

pointing out that you are an habitual liar is merely stating fact

as is the thought that you are a bigot

neither of which are reliant upon an opinion, they come from the posts you put up on here

.............by whatever name you post under

case closed

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5 minutes ago, Bill said:

the supposed 'problem' is in your head

pointing out that you are an habitual liar is merely stating fact

as is the thought that you are a bigot

neither of which are reliant upon an opinion, they come from the posts you put up on here

.............by whatever name you post under

case closed

“ Case closed”

thank goodness for that Billy, it was quite a reasonable discussion till you stuck your nose in👍

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Austin's affiliations to Israel are well known. I believe he either runs or supports a Labour and Israel Group.

And to be honest, as a part Jew, I am disgusted with the way Israel acts and reacts. And this is the major problem and sticking point between anti semitism and anti Israel.

Please explain to me why no other party or successive governments had criticised, boycotted or sanctioned the Israel Government which, against convention, has nuclear weapons. At the same time, virtually all the Western World which relies on US defence and Saudi oil, maintains sanctions against Iran because they may have a nuclear capability.

I'm not arguing Iran's case, I'm just pointing out the two faced policies when it comes to the Middle East.

Labour has always been a voice for the Palestinian side of the argument. And the current Israeli regime receives little or no criticism from British Jewry. And the wires become so crossed that it has become the Albatross around Corbyn's neck. But when you hear the Zionists in that country quoting 3000 year old beliefs as to why it is OK to occupy land that was never theirs, it becomes very difficult for kind and understanding people to equate it with anything that happened during the reign of the Nazis.

He is kept in place by Momentum. Momentum is full of champagne and luvvy middle class socialists who have nothing to offer but opinions. And very vocally at times. The amount of working class Labour members who have left the party has only created a space for them to move into. Their form of socialism is another dream. To achieve it, we would have to smash the system and start again.

It might sound a bit silly but a form of centrist socialism which uses reform not revolution is what is called for. To achieve this policy and rid the world of the modern capitalist idea of you can only achieve through big profits, we first have to achieve power.

I don't believe Corbyn is the right man to do it, but I didn't think Ed Balls was either. So Austin has not only betrayed his class, he has betrayed his electorate and now wants to excuse it by blaming Corbyn. But when you see the real reason for his actions, he is only making himself a complete bad loser.

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4 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

It's hilarious seeing the right-wing press describing him as a "man of integrity". This is a bloke who wrung the living daylights out of the expenses system, regularly flipping his second home so that he could claim everything he possibly could out of the expenses system, who told Corbyn to sit and down and shut up whilst he was paying tribute to the victims of the invasion of Iraq, who accused a human-rights group of being Holocaust deniers despite it being absolutely false.

The d!ckhead now has a job working for a government department as a Prime Ministerial Trade Envoy. So what the headlines should really be is "subordinate of Boris Johnson urges people to vote for his boss because if Corbyn wins the self-serving little scrot may have to find another cash cow to milk".  

And to think, just yesterday Ian Austin was one of the good guys

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And to think, just yesterday Ian Austin was one of the good guys

He was never a good guy RTB. He was just a lackey of the pro Israel faction in politics.

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KG

“It might sound a bit silly but a form of centrist socialism which uses reform not revolution is what is called for”

Sounds good to me

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12 minutes ago, Van wink said:

“ Case closed”

thank goodness for that Billy, it was quite a reasonable discussion till you stuck your nose in👍

reasonable in the sense that you did not swear

but did resort to trying to twist Dan's words

now what have you done with bagster and Len ?

stuck on the A11 perhaps 🇫🇷

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17 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

And to think, just yesterday Ian Austin was one of the good guys

He was never a good guy RTB. He was just a lackey of the pro Israel faction in politics.

Well thank goodness we have general elections to root out the bad guys otherwise they would sit and fester and corrupt good parties.

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31 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Austin's affiliations to Israel are well known. I believe he either runs or supports a Labour and Israel Group.

And to be honest, as a part Jew, I am disgusted with the way Israel acts and reacts. And this is the major problem and sticking point between anti semitism and anti Israel.

Please explain to me why no other party or successive governments had criticised, boycotted or sanctioned the Israel Government which, against convention, has nuclear weapons. At the same time, virtually all the Western World which relies on US defence and Saudi oil, maintains sanctions against Iran because they may have a nuclear capability.

I'm not arguing Iran's case, I'm just pointing out the two faced policies when it comes to the Middle East.

Labour has always been a voice for the Palestinian side of the argument. And the current Israeli regime receives little or no criticism from British Jewry. And the wires become so crossed that it has become the Albatross around Corbyn's neck. But when you hear the Zionists in that country quoting 3000 year old beliefs as to why it is OK to occupy land that was never theirs, it becomes very difficult for kind and understanding people to equate it with anything that happened during the reign of the Nazis.

He is kept in place by Momentum. Momentum is full of champagne and luvvy middle class socialists who have nothing to offer but opinions. And very vocally at times. The amount of working class Labour members who have left the party has only created a space for them to move into. Their form of socialism is another dream. To achieve it, we would have to smash the system and start again.

It might sound a bit silly but a form of centrist socialism which uses reform not revolution is what is called for. To achieve this policy and rid the world of the modern capitalist idea of you can only achieve through big profits, we first have to achieve power.

I don't believe Corbyn is the right man to do it, but I didn't think Ed Balls was either. So Austin has not only betrayed his class, he has betrayed his electorate and now wants to excuse it by blaming Corbyn. But when you see the real reason for his actions, he is only making himself a complete bad loser.

Much of this I agree with - and I too have Jewish family. Many (most) are not strong fans of the current lsraeli policies - and then there are a few who are simply RWNJ!  People are people and much the same all over the world - good, bad, bright, thick and indifferent. Some are easily led by populist politicians selling snake oil and myths - ring any bells? The problem is that being anti the Israeli government policies and being antisemitic get mixed up by simpletons. Its dangerous territory with those looking to make political capital both ways.

I've had Palestinian heritage employees quite happy to visit Israel in the past; sat on El-Al flights with members of the Jewish sect that state that Israel shouldn't exist; been with the IDF in Katyusha rocket range northeast of Haifa and sat in gardens of old time native (as opposed to recent returnese) ) Jewish Israels overlooking the West Bank thankful at that time that there was movement towards a peace that had started between themselves and their native Palestinian neighbours. I suspect the underlying problem for Israel is indeed the large number of Jewish immigrants both from Europe and especially Russia with romantic and often nationalistic views of their state! Couple that with a romantic view and myopic support from the USA (much as with the Irish cause in NI) and it's difficult to see a solution.  

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More senior Labour figures have urged voters to back Boris Johnson, after Ian Austin's extraordinary intervention into the election campaign this morning.

Former Labour MP John Woodcock said he would be voting Conservative saying we face a choice to "keep Jeremy Corbyn away from Downing Street".

He added: "We pleaded with our friends in the Labour Party to face up to this choice, not to leave it until too late. Now all of that to an extent is water under the bridge, but we have arrived in a campaign where one of two people are going to be prime minister."

Mr Woodcock, who was suspended from the Labour Party in April 2018, announced he would not stand in the general election on Monday as he and his partner are expecting a baby.

He continued: "The choice to keep Jeremy Corbyn away from Downing Street, to stop him getting his hands on the levers of national security and defence has to be to vote Conservative in this election and that's what I'll be doing as well."

Former Labour shadow minister Tom Harris also said he'd be backing the Tories, saying: "Like Ian Austin I will be far happier with a Boris Johnson government."

 

Extraordinary that they are actually backing Boris Johnson and not merely remaining silent

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1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

More senior Labour figures have urged voters to back Boris Johnson, after Ian Austin's extraordinary intervention into the election campaign this morning.

I know you  are a stranger to the truth, but even you must realise they are neither senior or Labour figures.

Instead another desparate and failed attempt to make up for yesterday's cataclysmic disaster of a Tory campaign launch

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1 minute ago, BigFish said:

I know you  are a stranger to the truth, but even you must realise they are neither senior or Labour figures.

Instead another desparate and failed attempt to make up for yesterday's cataclysmic disaster of a Tory campaign launch

You'll have to take that up with the editors of the Telegraph. But you're right in the sense that we're hard pressed to find an ex-minister among Labour MPs. There's not many left who've run a government department

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59 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Austin's affiliations to Israel are well known. I believe he either runs or supports a Labour and Israel Group.

And to be honest, as a part Jew, I am disgusted with the way Israel acts and reacts. And this is the major problem and sticking point between anti semitism and anti Israel.

Please explain to me why no other party or successive governments had criticised, boycotted or sanctioned the Israel Government which, against convention, has nuclear weapons. At the same time, virtually all the Western World which relies on US defence and Saudi oil, maintains sanctions against Iran because they may have a nuclear capability.

I'm not arguing Iran's case, I'm just pointing out the two faced policies when it comes to the Middle East.

Labour has always been a voice for the Palestinian side of the argument. And the current Israeli regime receives little or no criticism from British Jewry. And the wires become so crossed that it has become the Albatross around Corbyn's neck. But when you hear the Zionists in that country quoting 3000 year old beliefs as to why it is OK to occupy land that was never theirs, it becomes very difficult for kind and understanding people to equate it with anything that happened during the reign of the Nazis.

He is kept in place by Momentum. Momentum is full of champagne and luvvy middle class socialists who have nothing to offer but opinions. And very vocally at times. The amount of working class Labour members who have left the party has only created a space for them to move into. Their form of socialism is another dream. To achieve it, we would have to smash the system and start again.

It might sound a bit silly but a form of centrist socialism which uses reform not revolution is what is called for. To achieve this policy and rid the world of the modern capitalist idea of you can only achieve through big profits, we first have to achieve power.

I don't believe Corbyn is the right man to do it, but I didn't think Ed Balls was either. So Austin has not only betrayed his class, he has betrayed his electorate and now wants to excuse it by blaming Corbyn. But when you see the real reason for his actions, he is only making himself a complete bad loser.

Like Yellow Fever I agree with much of this.

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18 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

You'll have to take that up with the editors of the Telegraph. But you're right in the sense that we're hard pressed to find an ex-minister among Labour MPs. There's not many left who've run a government department

What you're describing there is a Civil Servant, they don't change, in recent years most government departments have a revolving door when it come to MP's.

 

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1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

And to think, just yesterday Ian Austin was one of the good guys

You never cease to amaze RTB. Just when I think you've displayed yourself at your most stupid, you keep raising the bar.

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Corbyn is in Liverpool now saying "I've never met a billionaire" Here is Corbyn's own tweet from January... with him cosying up to billionaire Bill Gates We can't trust a word this man says

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Jeremy Corbyn

@jeremycorbyn

· Jan 24

I met @BillGates today to talk about aid and development, public health and preventable child deaths. We discussed his foundation's work, the need for more effective taxation and Labour’s commitment to do much more to support the work of @DFID_UK.

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1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

You never cease to amaze RTB. Just when I think you've displayed yourself at your most stupid, you keep raising the bar.

Well he must have been one of the good guys because before today I've never heard you criticise him, certainly not in the terms that you've described on here. Perhaps you could name a few other bad guys on the Labour benches so that we are well prepared for their character assassination.

 

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1 minute ago, Rock The Boat said:

 Perhaps you could name a few other bad guys on the Labour benches so that we are well prepared for their character assassination.

They are not called "the Labour benches", but the opposition benches. Although elected a Labour MP under Corbyn he had left the party.

How about talking about Nadhim Zahawi car crash interview with Andrew Neil where he comes close to saying Corbyn would shoot billionaires. Very close to the standard of your posting accuracy.

You can almost smell the Tory panic now.

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3 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Well he must have been one of the good guys because before today I've never heard you criticise him, certainly not in the terms that you've described on here. Perhaps you could name a few other bad guys on the Labour benches so that we are well prepared for their character assassination.

 

Jesus Christ. So because you've never heard me criticise Ian Austin on the PinkUn message board then I must think he is one of the good guys?! Do you see why I think you're such an idiot?! You've raised the bar yet more.

I don't recall ever criticising Pol Pot on the PinkUn; does that mean you believe I think he is a good guy?!

As luck would have it, I'm actually blocked by Ian Austin on Twitter and called him a thoroughly unpleasant person back in February 2018.

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14 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Corbyn is in Liverpool now saying "I've never met a billionaire" Here is Corbyn's own tweet from January... with him cosying up to billionaire Bill Gates We can't trust a word this man says

Quote Tweet

Jeremy Corbyn

@jeremycorbyn

· Jan 24

I met @BillGates today to talk about aid and development, public health and preventable child deaths. We discussed his foundation's work, the need for more effective taxation and Labour’s commitment to do much more to support the work of @DFID_UK.

Which is it today Swindo? Are you being thick as sh!t or lying again?

He said, "I'm sure there are billionaires that need defending but personally I don't know any. Well, I don't know any billionaires".

I've met Wes Hoolahan but wouldn't say I know him.

Apologies, I know how much you hate facts and how they get in the way of your ret@rded world view.

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Its certainly an appalling choice - Johnson who just can't help himself and has history of outright lies or Corbyn 

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2 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Which is it today Swindo? Are you being thick as sh!t or lying again?

Does he have to choose?

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