How DID Nigel destroy Deano ?

[sheded 0]

Will someone explain to me  just how Nigel is supposed to have  destroyed  Ashton ?  , I keep hearing this  bandied about ,  and , frankly ,  its got to be  the biggest load of bull yet ! 

I don`t want to hear how Nigel  has " forced " Deano  to play out of position   etc ,   Deano KNOWS what he`s up front for ,  and the fact remains  that he`s bodging  his shots on goal !! 

Explain to me how this is Nigels fault  , preferably  in logical terms !

BTW     I do think he needs more support  around him !   

[Plastic Scouser 0]

"BTW     I do think he needs more support  around him !"

Er.... doesn''t that answer your question?  If he needs more support then who should be making sure that he get''s the support?

 

  

 

 

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But not having the right support, or service, is nothing to do with ''destroying Ashton'' as some people claim. What makes their claims all the more ludicrous is that his value appears to have apparently more than doubled. If true, please let Worthy destroy ALL our players in that way.

[Beno27 0]

Worthington said in an interview that at crewe, Ashton was allowed to stay in the area and finish off the chances made for him. But he''s not allowed to do that here, he has to be a ''team player'' and do the work of two strikers and an attacking midfielder by the looks of things. At this point last season Deano had 20 goals, so why does Worthless think he''s got to change the way Deano plays and sacrifice most of the goals?! Its what Michael Owen does and nobody tries to change him!

I hope Deano will go to Man City, get the nurturing he deserves, scores loads of goals and goes to the world cup. He''s good enough. The best Norwich player i''ve ever seen.

[still holding out for new heroes 0]

not buying a right winger to supply crosses, and playing route 1 to him all season which is clearly not a strength

[Salopian 1]

Ashton''s misses are a sign of loss of confidence. No-one disputes this. But you don''t lose your confidence suddenly.

If you saw the many Ashton goals shown on the Crewe official site when

he left, he scored all sorts of goals but many of them were from

defence splitting passes along the ground, ie into gaps, which he could

run on to. How many of these passes have you seen this season?

Frequently the ball reaches him chest high, or higher, and because they

are long and he has his back to goal, clunking defenders are on to him

by the time the ball arrives. He has even been reduced to foraging for

the ball out on the wings. At times he has been a lonely figure, with

no other player anywhere near to receive knockdowns.

Is there anyone who still doubts that our central midfield, with the

partial exception of Safri, seems unable to provide this service on the

ground. Indeed one or two of the new signings, we all know who I mean,

seem incapable of directing a pass in a desired direction, let alone at

the right pace.

What Ashton did in the Premiership was remarkable. He acheieved headed

goals from crosses that were not accurate enough, he poached goals out

of nothing and he created chances by excellent footwork. But even then,

the service he received was poor. Sadly it has not improved with the

signings.

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

Ashton simply needs the ball played to his feet and a strike partner to work off (not Huckerby who is invariably out on the wing). Playing with his back to goal and receiving balls in the air plainly isn''t his game. It is horses for courses. having said that he has missed a half dozen sitters including some which cost us points and would have lifted the morale of the team.

[lucky green trainers 0]

yeah I saw a few clips of crewes deano goals and lots did appear from

passes threaded through for him to run onto to, as were his england u21

goals against germany.

we don''t do this at city. i remember svenson coming deep and putting

some through balls along the ground for the striker, but thats about

it. holt/francis could weight a pass, and neither can those who''ve

followed. Jarrett could weight a pass, but his confidence got so low,

he couldn''t ''wait'' to pass in the end

[Dionysus 0]

[quote user="Amarillo"]What makes their claims all the more ludicrous is that his value appears to have apparently more than doubled. If true, please let Worthy destroy ALL our players in that way.[/quote]

I see that you''ve used the words "appears" and "apparently" in your post. Do you honsetly believe any club is going to pay that sort of money for him given his current form?

As for ruining Ashton, he is experiencing a loss of confidence at the moment. Obviously this stems partly from his current inability to score which, in turn, stems from the lack of service he receives from the flanks and from midfield. By not signing players that can provide decent service, Worthington is partly responsible for this confidence loss.

I also question how our players are being trained. From what I''ve heard and seen on the pitch it seems that stamina and "working hard" are given a much bigger priority in training to footballing skills.

[sheded 0]

So it looks  as though  Deanos main problem  is lack of support ?    a fact that I`ve   been on about for a while now ...

As has been mentioned   , we just don`t have a midfield  capable of the ,on the ground ,passing game,  which is probably why  Nigel opts for  route one !     the mention of which  seems to  give the vapours to some posters ! 

But route one has  a logic to it !  why mess around tapping the ball to each other  in midfield  , when you can lob the ball right into  the opponents penalty area ? hopefully staying on side ] 

Where its going tits up  when we do it , is lack of support !   this is where Nigel has to grasp the nettle , and forget his  defensive background !    our strikers   shouldn`t have to be on their tod  when the ball comes to them ...   defenders will just home in  on a lone striker ,   but if they had two or three strikers  to contend with  .......   they wont like it up-em !!  [6]

[Paul Aldrich 0]

When Deano was playing for Crewe he played facing the oppositions goal feeding off decent balls to feet, and decent crosses from the flanks, I think he was the leading scorer in the Championship at one point, playing for a team that are perennial strugglers in this league. This season Deano spends most of his time with his back to the oppositions goal, trying to control balls that are coming into him at chest, head (and higher) height. Deano is class act, if you watch him playing for the England U21 side you cannot fail to see that. We need to provide hime with a decent service and we need to do it fast. When you buy a player presumably you watch that player first and can see what his strengths are, as an earlier post pointed out Deano thrives on running onto decent through balls, I can see that, my dad can see that, my missue can see that and my cat can see that (OK I lied about the cat!!), so why spend £3m plus on a player and not play to his strengths, maybe Worthy will only be satisfied once he can say that "Dean Ashton has got a good engine......"

 

[Mook 0]

Sheded.

I believe you just answered your own question. Re-read your post.

That''s how Nigel is destroying Deano.

[Old Boy 0]

Your second post does indeed answer your own question, Sheded. But it''s still not necessarily NW''s fault. For example, we played very well in the first 15 minutes against Crewe, with a 3-man attack, and plenty of support for Ashton. Then we went a goal down, and for the next 20 minutes we lapsed back into a 5-man midfield and therefore left Ashton isolated. And that was because the players lost their bottle, not because of Worthy''s tactics, which were obviously to continue 4-3-3. Then towards the end of the first half, we recovered our confidence and, with McVeigh coming on, we started to threaten Crewe again. And IMO, we have too many players who look for the easy way out when they''re under pressure, and the easy way out is often to hit the ball long. I don''t think it''s the manager''s tactics that are at fault, but the players'' failure to implement them. I realise that that''s an unpopular opinion at the moment, but tough.

[Saint Canary 0]

Old Boy, I am in agreement with what you say.  I will criticise Worthy as much as the next poster but a lot of the long hoofs appear to be because players just see it as the easy option.  I''m not convinced that this is the tactics as set out by Worthy.  I would imagine the players are told to use the long ball when there is an opportunity of a quick break.

Saying that though, if Worthy put out an 11 (when possible) consisting of our best footballers there is no doubt we could play an attractive passing game.

As for Ashton, he is clearly not getting the service he needs.  He is not a target man despite his height and his team mates and manager should be well aware of this.

 

[FilletTheFishWife . 0]

NW has not destroyed Deano.

he''s been playing as poorly as those around him and the good chances he has missed have been as costly as our defensive lapses.

its become apparent that he was merely using Norwich as a stepping-stone and whether its a true loss of form or apathy on his part he has yet to discover the form which has inflated his price tag.

I don''t begrudge him his ambition but if he''d been as sharp as he could be with his finishing he might have been back in the premiership (with norwich).

[sheded 0]

[quote user="Old Boy"]

Your second post does indeed answer your own question, Sheded. But it''s still not necessarily NW''s fault. For example, we played very well in the first 15 minutes against Crewe, with a 3-man attack, and plenty of support for Ashton. Then we went a goal down, and for the next 20 minutes we lapsed back into a 5-man midfield and therefore left Ashton isolated. And that was because the players lost their bottle, not because of Worthy''s tactics, which were obviously to continue 4-3-3. Then towards the end of the first half, we recovered our confidence and, with McVeigh coming on, we started to threaten Crewe again. And IMO, we have too many players who look for the easy way out when they''re under pressure, and the easy way out is often to hit the ball long. I don''t think it''s the manager''s tactics that are at fault, but the players'' failure to implement them. I realise that that''s an unpopular opinion at the moment, but tough.

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Your the third one to point out that I answered my own question  Old boy !     I`m beginning  to get it now ! LOL ...

Yep !    there`s  some truth    in what you say ,   there`s probably  some evidence  of " bottling "  when that goal went in   ,  you could sense  the fear  in the players that  , s**t , here we go again  !!     [:@]     hard to blame them  somehow ,   but they regrouped well   , and McVeigh   certainly  made their defence  work !      Hucks coming on    made the difference though , their defence  were obviously  not expecting  him to come on  , and he ran them ragged !  

Lets see if  we can   apply some guile at Soton Nigel    ,  think we`re going to need it !!

[Saint Canary 0]

Just a quick point, underneath is a qoute from Deano on Sky Sports regarding him not scoring of late. 

"I''ve had droughts before,  If I was missing clear-cut chances every week I''d worry, but there aren''t many chances coming my way, so I''ll just wait until they do and keep trying to do my job for the team." 

 

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

WHAT is all this about GOOD CHANCES MISSED??  earlier in the season when we played fairly well but couldnt get a result- maybe but recently?????

I dont remember him having any good chances against Millwall??  Maybe one against Crewe and None against Coventry and Derby???????????

We don''t play to his strengths - worthy treats him as a target man because he is tall - thats it??  At crewe he was played as a proper striker none of this Worthy Long ball crap....

I tell ya all you Deano doubters - lets see how well he does at his new club come January - then we can see exactly what your football knowlege is like....