A Load of Squit 5,161 Posted December 12, 2005 Or as the WO''s keep saying ''listen to me, I speak for the majority''. If so many people want Worthy to go how come its the same 5 or 6 posters on this board calling for the man to be sacked?They must have very sore fingers ''influencing'' the current polls! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ncfc0405 0 Posted December 12, 2005 see my other post about a potential silent majority... interesting to note that the WO majority has dropped from 80% in the pinkun poll a few weeks back to 54% in the Evening News poll today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted December 12, 2005 the silent majority simply dont want to get abused on these boards.......... to be fair, there is nothing stopping non-norwich fans voting, hence why many ipswich fans and such have probably voted for him to stay. Besides the poll means nothing, the board (as in the norwich board) are going to do nothing over a poxy little poll Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wizard 0 Posted December 12, 2005 I warned three days ago on here of Ipswich fans voting for Worthy, this was acknowledged by the pink un, so don''t assume the improvement in Worthy''s vote is down to Worthy.............thanks the binners for it, as they would love us to be relegated! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,161 Posted December 12, 2005 Or it could be that the WO brigade is shrinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LinkNR9 0 Posted December 12, 2005 Squit - if you think that it''s just this Board, take a look on the Official Site message board or others such as Wrath of The Barclay. Then come back and tell me that the Worthy Outers are in the minority on message boards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beno27 0 Posted December 12, 2005 [quote user="ncfc0405"]see my other post about a potential silent majority... interesting to note that the WO majority has dropped from 80% in the pinkun poll a few weeks back to 54% in the Evening News poll today.[/quote] Maybe some of the KTFs feel they can speak up after that amazing win, either that or the fickle fans are changing their minds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,161 Posted December 12, 2005 [quote user="LinkNR9"]Squit - if you think that it''s just this Board, take a look on the Official Site message board or others such as Wrath of The Barclay. Then come back and tell me that the Worthy Outers are in the minority on message boards.[/quote]It could be the same 5 or 6 on each board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mook 0 Posted December 12, 2005 But you, of course, only post on here eh Load of Squit? And anyway, why does we all have to be one or the other? "KTF" or "WO"?If you''re happy and you know it, then you''re either blind, confused or both.If you think Worthington is the worst manager out there then you''re even more wrong.I don''t want Nigel continuing to ruin my team with his ill-judged purchases, tactics, youth policies and coaching abilities BUT i don''t want to see Joe Kinnear come here, take a barrel load of cash and bugger off at the end of the season.It has to be a well thought-out decision, and one in which tight purse-strings do not mean we end up with Livermore or hang on to Nigel until doomsday.The point is, blind optimism or blind pessimism is still blindness either way you squint at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted December 12, 2005 its more than 5-6 people calling for worthy to go. just see theresponse to the lead post on this board. what is your problem withpeople having an opinion about worthy?even if city had just won the prem, it would still be legitimate for aposter to have an opinion on the manager, even if they wanted him out -but of course that would be unlikely.In city''s current position, its logical that more people will questionthe manager, and even call for him to go - we''re 7 points offrelegation zone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 662 Posted December 12, 2005 [quote user="A load of squit"][quote user="LinkNR9"]Squit - if you think that it''s just this Board, take a look on the Official Site message board or others such as Wrath of The Barclay. Then come back and tell me that the Worthy Outers are in the minority on message boards.[/quote]It could be the same 5 or 6 on each board.[/quote]Err you really don''t get it do you. If you think it''s just "5 or 6" then you are sadly mistaken. Try adding a few zeros.The "WO brigade" is not shrinking at all. It will grow too - as soon as many discover we have not "turned the corner" having beaten the mighty Crewe, and it will just make the KTF mob look even more ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kennyfoggo 0 Posted December 12, 2005 some people set you the www.yourchoices.org.uk site and there are several members who have joined as the so called WOB.. why is that no KTF has joined to give them something to debate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,161 Posted December 12, 2005 What I''m trying to point out to you guys is that you are stating personal opinion as if its fact, this is delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mook 0 Posted December 12, 2005 And you ignoring the facts isn''t? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted December 12, 2005 can''t see where you coming from squit. all i see is people giving opinions. it''s you who is trying to convincepeople that the ''facts'' re opinion polls are wrong and that somehow thepeople posting for worthy to be replaced are in a small minority. andyet you call others delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rasputin was a C... 0 Posted December 13, 2005 If we''re talking about statistics then take a quick look at this sitehttp://www.footballanorak.com/team_performance.html?team_id=57Ignore the fact they''ve got the season wrong 03/04 rather than 04/05but that shows the last 60 matches. This isn''t someone''s opinion thisis the hard facts that over the last 60 matches we have been hopelessand no matter what way you look at it, the manager has been the mainreason for such a poor run. A win over Crewe doesn''t change anythingI''m afraid other than takes us 3 points further away from League One. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 13, 2005 I''d be happier with the stats if they had a significant number of people voting.The real problem is that an absolute maximum of about 10% of Norwichfans have made the effort to make their feelings known (that''scombining both for and against Worthy). Not even theConservatives/Labour would try and claim an electoral mandate on thatlow a turn-out!If the Board wants feedback, they could mailshot every singlemember of the club (they send enough guff out each year) with areply-paid envelope and a simple questionaire. That way anybody who''staken the trouble to pay for membership gets an equal voice. I knowsome loyal supporters aren''t members, but it would give a very goodrepresentation of the real feelings of those who care most about our club.Regardless of best intentions, supporters clubs and message boardcommunities are often populated by the most active/vociferous membersof the wider community and do not always give a balanced view (thatswings both ways, not just in Worthy''s defence!).Squit has a point, which is exaggerated to make people take notice(sorry if I''m doing you a disservice), The majority in the polls alsohave a good point, just insufficient actual numbers to make it countyet. Let''s cut through the crap and find out once and for all if themanager is as loathed as some claim. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted December 13, 2005 I bet the majority of fans are fickle and ambivalent.These message board contain those of us who like our own opinions and want to foist them on others, we are in the minority.The Club has a board of directors and a management structure who make the decisions. Of course they listen to views and opinions but in the end they are there to make the decisions and take responsibility for those decisions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZLF 274 Posted December 14, 2005 Most opinion polls on national stats are accurate to +/- 3% from a sample of 1000-1500 people from a population of 55m+ - so 3000+ votes from a population of 26k to 100k is strikingly relevant from a statistical point of view. The poll give an indicative insight to fans opinions but is only indicative, not fact.Giving everyone a chance for a say is a referendum, not an opinion poll and simply will never happen but the result will be in favour of the worthy out camp based on the findings of these polls and all fans that I know who have been to a match this year - small irrelevant sample perhaps but at the start of the year I was alone in having concerns but am now one of the less rabid voices within the same cohort.... OTBC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 14, 2005 The difference with national polls is the random nature of theselection process of those asked. The other main difference is theloading of the question put to the sample group.If the newspaper polls came from a random phone survey of 3000 or sopeople in the Norwich/Norfolk area then they could claim the same sortof validity. Inviting those with strong views to proactively registertheir views gives a skewed and heavily biased response. Yes, Worthysupporters had an equal chance to vote - but they''re not the onesgetting all hot under the collar about the managerial team.If only 2000-2500 feel strongly enough to register their opposition tothe current regime, then you are on safer ground (as a statistician) totalk actual numbers & not percentages. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted December 14, 2005 Its funny fat barman, that i just met a NCFC fan working behind the bar in my local - season ticket holder - and he is worthy out. All my mates i text about the footy are worthy out.. My fellow season ticket holders whom i go to the match with our worthy out. And my ipswich town fan friends.. lol well you no what they want!!!Worthy has somehow destroyed a good squad he built in the space of 2 seasons and x amount of premiership dollars. The teams that do best are those who have a similar squad as to when they were promoted then relegated.. We have a totally different one with all the players who have left being replaced by far lesser players.Our midfield is now crap. All worthys flaws are coming to the fore - and worst of all he appears to have no idea what to do....As he aint gonna be sacked till after xmas at least I hope he can turn it round (but i seriously doubt it with this group of players) And if ashton goes... i dunno what to think Lee Trundle perhaps - loads of talent but a few too many pounds on the lad i doubt worthy would risk itI reckon it will be....... Jonaton Johannson!!!!! lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 14, 2005 a good ''local'' is like your football club - you can''t leave it alone!I may be deluded, or have better beer goggles, but I don''t see it thatblack Paul. Apart from a couple (Eddy being notable), the players wholeft went by choice, not design. The replacements have yet to provetheir worth, agreed, but I have a reasonable hope that they will.Here''s to Christmas beer & football cheer! Our change in form by 12th night may yet prove to be a miraculous rebirth! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0 Posted December 14, 2005 Yeah hopefully christmas will bring a turnaround. perhaps worthy will have a moment of clarity and finally see that a right winger and creative midfielder could be useful to the club!!!I reckon thats all we are missing - its a shame we will be missing a star striker too in a few weeks.Lee Trundle - the fat new Ashton!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites