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OT - Nice gesture by Ipswich to Leeds fan.

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On 26/02/2019 at 20:52, splendidrush said:

Anyone who the Club deems worthy. 

Anyone ?

It was a dog yesterday, one that simply obeyed it's masters command

Who, or what, next ?

Norman, who for Comic Relief sat in a bath of beans to raise money for the starving in Africa ?

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On 26/02/2019 at 21:23, ......and Smith must score. said:

Your track record on here speaks volumes. There's barely a thread about Ipswich which you haven't originated or contributed to. Wouldn't expect there to be many Ipswich fans on here but you're obsessed.

Did something bad happen to makeyou feel like this ?

err, actually of the five that are current I merely posted up the one announcing that the Oliveira had scored

but do keep reading my posts and moaning, I shan't claim that you are obsessed ............... upset perhaps 😣

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I'm normally on here for a bit of fun and some light relief - and the Binners have provided more than their fair share recently.

 

Also, I can usually understand where City1st appears to be coming from with his opinions but on this point, I just don't get it.

 

I wonder if, as his usual nemesis has pointed out, he is blinkered by the fact this is an Ipswich gesture? Would his comments be similar if NCFC made a similar offer?

 

Any amount of recognition for bravery, be it the applause for the armed forces pitch perimeter walk, a minutes applause/silence for the famous and not so famous, the Aviva Community Hero etc has to be a good thing doesn't it?

 

This young guys story will not be the only one out there and may strike a chord in somebody suffering in a similar way right now.

 

I also wonder if his original comment was one of knee-jerk narcissism and an attempt at some quick peer gratification but he underestimated the response. But, as most narcissists do, ploughs on digging further and further with a mixture of poor humour attempts and aggression - to the point of absurdity because he finds this easier than saying his comment was misjudged.

 

Renowned for being a bit of a plum of Premiership proportions on here at times, today you joined the Champions League. Congratulations.

 

 

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applaud a dog for bravery ?

if this buffoonery took place in an other area of society I would still see it as hypocritical and maudlin - and given the rather desperate efforts to put individual acts, that affected no one else. out as community it is self evidently absurd

 a man who was attacked by his girlfriend and a dog that laid next to an elderly woman...............☺️

whatever next ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY84Ke3UYi0

 

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After these last couple of posts i suspect there is a comfy armchair and popcorn moment coming anytime soon.

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I kind of agree with Bill. People die, other people are abused. Life is full of all manner of things that we should and could show compassion for. But is a football match the right place for this!?

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1 hour ago, yellowandgreen said:

I kind of agree with Bill. People die, other people are abused. Life is full of all manner of things that we should and could show compassion for. But is a football match the right place for this!?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't but belittling the bravery of those who are recognised in this way is cheap and unnecessary.

 

I have also questioned the rise of the number of minutes silence/applause stood for in recent times (they used to be rarer than rocking horse sh1t) but I'd like to think I can do this in a more mature way.

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31 minutes ago, Drazen Muzinic said:

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't but belittling the bravery of those who are recognised in this way is cheap and unnecessary.

 

Stop being an idiot. There is no belittling of 'bravery' as there is no 'bravery' to be belittled.

This is supposedly about community, as in " well-deserving people in the community ". Nothing about 'bravery'.

So how on earth does a dog become aware of 'it's' community, and so make a conscious decision to become well deserving ?

As to the guff posted about me by the 'sanctimonious I would suggest you have a read up of the same sort of comments made by the gormless in response to Brass Eye's programme on paedophilia.

And to clarify, my thoughts echo those of Jonn Donne "no man is an island etc..."

What is really being belittled are those occasions of real and genuine communal shared feeling, as with the very moving and heartfelt singing of ' abide with me ' by two generations for whom that song had meaning and relevance - by equating some ruddy dog who had lain on the pavement to those events.

 

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11 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

Stop being an idiot. There is no belittling of 'bravery' as there is no 'bravery' to be belittled.

This is supposedly about community, as in " well-deserving people in the community ". Nothing about 'bravery'.

So how on earth does a dog become aware of 'it's' community, and so make a conscious decision to become well deserving ?

As to the guff posted about me by the 'sanctimonious I would suggest you have a read up of the same sort of comments made by the gormless in response to Brass Eye's programme on paedophilia.

And to clarify, my thoughts echo those of Jonn Donne "no man is an island etc..."

What is really being belittled are those occasions of real and genuine communal shared feeling, as with the very moving and heartfelt singing of ' abide with me ' by two generations for whom that song had meaning and relevance - by equating some ruddy dog who had lain on the pavement to those events.

 

Thank you for the kind offer but I don't need to research Chris Morris' work - that was parodist genius of the ignorant and self-righteous.

Your attempts to make light of this young man's situation with painfully unfunny posts are crass and you seem unable to recognise this.

After hundreds of years of patriarchal socialisation where men are told to 'grow a pair', 'be a man', 'boys don't cry' etc, it would've been doubly hard to face up to the situation in which he found himself.

When young Kieran Smith led the team out at Wembley in 2015 shortly after his father committed suicide, did you belittle this gesture too? Maybe this one was OK on your moral compass?

Actually, don't bother answering - I don't care. It's taken 14 years of membership on this forum for you to get up my nose as much as you have today - I'm not interested in anything else you have to say and will not be posting a further word on the subject.

 

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Spin it as you wish, but this nonsense is no more than a PR exercise, just as having a dog elevated to the status of something 'well deserving' in the community The lad was selected as he was seen as a Leeds Utd fan and this would be good PR.

The ridicule is not even aimed at those behind the stunt but idiots like you who cannot see through this and so bleat out 'kill the heretic', burn the unbeliever' at anyone who might suggest that the Emperor has no clothes.

With no argument beyond blind self righteous indignation you offer up nothing beyond throwing your toys out of the pram because the naughty man is saying that human auffering does not come neatly packaged. It mostly doesn't fit into convenient boxes of good and bad.

For every dog deemed 'well deserving' there are umpteen others with terminal cancer who won't be carried on a football pitch because their image does to fit with the club's own image, rape victims who will carry those horrors (mostly silently) for much of their lives and those born disfigured who have to simply 'get on with it'.

This nothing more than a PR stunt (as seen by the dog yesterday) and with continue as long as there are idiots like you who see no wrong in human misery being sanitised and paraded before us like some circus freak show.

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I've read everything you have had to say on this subject so far, thanks for your efforts but you've done nothing to change my mind. 

29 minutes ago, Bill said:

Spin it as you wish, but this nonsense is no more than a PR exercise, just as having a dog elevated to the status of something 'well deserving' in the community The lad was selected as he was seen as a Leeds Utd fan and this would be good PR.

The ridicule is not even aimed at those behind the stunt but idiots like you who cannot see through this and so bleat out 'kill the heretic', burn the unbeliever' at anyone who might suggest that the Emperor has no clothes.

With no argument beyond blind self righteous indignation you offer up nothing beyond throwing your toys out of the pram because the naughty man is saying that human auffering does not come neatly packaged. It mostly doesn't fit into convenient boxes of good and bad.

For every dog deemed 'well deserving' there are umpteen others with terminal cancer who won't be carried on a football pitch because their image does to fit with the club's own image, rape victims who will carry those horrors (mostly silently) for much of their lives and those born disfigured who have to simply 'get on with it'.

This nothing more than a PR stunt (as seen by the dog yesterday) and with continue as long as there are idiots like you who see no wrong in human misery being sanitised and paraded before us like some circus freak show.

 

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Domestic abuse of women is something that often goes under the radar, because often women are very reluctant to report their partners: sometimes out of fear, sometimes out of misplaced loyalty and sometimes a combination of the two. 

In the domestic abuse of men both of those factors can be an element, but there can also be personal feelings of emasculation that make it even harder to admit that they're being abused. I think that's why a football club, a sport that still has a certain element of machismo to it, making a strong gesture of support of this nature is particularly worthwhile in tackling the problem more widely.

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" I've read everything you have had to say on this subject so far, thanks for your efforts but you've done nothing to change my mind.  "

I'm not sure that was ever my intention

in fact it never was

but hey ho, that is what a forum is for I suppose

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3 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Domestic abuse of women is something that often goes under the radar, because often women are very reluctant to report their partners: sometimes out of fear, sometimes out of misplaced loyalty and sometimes a combination of the two. 

In the domestic abuse of men both of those factors can be an element, but there can also be personal feelings of emasculation that make it even harder to admit that they're being abused. I think that's why a football club, a sport that still has a certain element of machismo to it, making a strong gesture of support of this nature is particularly worthwhile in tackling the problem more widely.

But this not what it is about. It is a PR stunt, that's all.

Or maybe yesterdays dog appearance was in some way aimed at tackling the problem of NHS cuts that left an old lady lying on the pavement for quite a while. Of course not. It was all about a supposed 'feel good' factor.

Parading children with cancer is not about 'raising awareness' it is about positioning that company in the 'market'. Projecting a positive image, that's all.

The real problem here is that many are unable to come to terms with the thought that their club, or any other club could be so cynical.

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9 minutes ago, Bill said:

 

The real problem here is that many are unable to come to terms with the thought that their club, or any other club could be so cynical.

What are you talking about? 

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18 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Definition of a narcissistic sociopath

A narcissistic sociopath is someone with a combination of narcissistic personality disorder and definitive behavioral signs of sociopathy. People with narcissism are characterized by their excessive and persistent need for others' admiration and positive reinforcement. They generally have grandiose opinions of themselves and believe they are superior to other people. Narcissists are also frequently convinced that they are above the normal responsibilities and obligations of everyday life, so they usually have significant difficulties maintaining employment or relationships as a result. The narcissistic sociopath has this type of personality along with a noticeable lack of regard for the rights of others and a tendency to regularly violate those rights.

One noted difference between a narcissistic sociopath and people with narcissism alone is that the narcissist with the sociopathy reacts strongly and sometimes even violently to negative feedback. True sociopaths generally do not respond to criticism or care what others may think of them. A narcissistic sociopath is unable to tolerate criticism and needs constant praise, as well as deference from other people. Many with this condition present themselves in the best light possible and are able to easily charm others to gain their trust.

A definite characteristic of a narcissistic sociopath is a tendency to view others not as fellow human beings, but rather as tools or means to an end. If certain other people are deemed unable to further the narcissistic sociopath's given agenda, they are normally cast aside. People diagnosed with this type of personality disorder usually do not have boundaries when it comes to manipulating and victimizing others if doing so will lead to their own benefit. This behavior trait can usually make romantic relationships with a narcissistic sociopath particularly destructive emotionally, mentally, and often financially. Many former spouses or partners of these individuals report that recovering from the relationship can take a long time.

Causes of narcissism are commonly attributed to abusive or dysfunctional early years, although some psychologists claim that specific biological differences in brain chemistry may also be partially to blame. Exact causes of sociopathic behavior are similarly subject to debate. When these two personality conditions coexist in the same person, some mental health professionals report that treating narcissism often yields better results than most attempts to treat sociopathy. Others maintain that most narcissistic sociopaths are largely untreatable through any kinds of established therapies, so the most that society can do is establish protective measures against these individuals' destructive behaviors.

Bump for continued relevance.

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