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PINKUN TURNS ON WORTHY

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Has anyone else noticed that a while ago now, i can''t pinpoint when

exactly without seeing all the articles of the last few months, the

Pink''un quite clearly started to turn on Worthy?

As a trained journalist (altough i never took it up so i''m a bit

rubbish really), i do know how to spot when a journalistic piece is

trying to emphaise one angle over another. It can be very subtle, but on the

other hand quite obvious if you''re looking for it and more recently,

more and more articles seem to make little effort to balance the

viewpoints.

Example: 7th December

Worthington Must Go

The headline speaks for itself and is quite different from an earlier headline NCISA Call for Worthy to Go eventhough

both stories refer only to specific groups of people voting. And no

mention of the anglia poll that, to quote kevin piper "discovered

overwhelming support for the City boss on the streets of Norwich" two

days before the article.

What''s much more telling though, is that buried half way down the page,

we read that our Iwan has come out in support of NW. This would, i

suggest, previously have been a story in itself, not, the second half

of an article headed ''Worthington must go''.

Then there''s the spurious headline Ashton Keen on Move Up presumably

penned on the basis of his words "I am very ambitious and do want to

play in the Premiership." Ok, so are we going to see "Green keen on

move up", "Safri keen on move up", "Drury keen on move up" and every

other player come to that? The story does nothing but intensify the

speculation on him and add pressure to NW, as does the previous Dean ''will go'' headline

that in fact refers to the Crewe assistant coach thinking he''ll go by the END

of the season, not necessarily in January as the reader would expect it

to mean. Dean ''will go'' by next season might have been the more balanced headline.

This is not about those of us who are pro or anti NW, and i''m fast

moving in to the out camp, but i don''t want to have my mind made up for

me by the media, i''ll do that myself thanks once they have conveyed the

facts. Opinions are fine, so long as they are labelled as such as with

regular columnists. The media can say they are conveying the views of

their readers or audience, and maybe that has been what has swung the

pinkun''s decision at an editorial level to take a more overtly WO line.

But the "it''s what our readers want" argument starts us off on the

slippery slope to tabloid journalism and towards the marginalisation of

significant minorities who''s opinion is not for the journalist to

decide.

 

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I think the pink un is only repsonding to the obvious disenchantment of

supporters with worthy over city''s league position. I don''t feel its

mounting a worthy out campaign or trying to lead people unjustly.

Its polls and the official supporters club suggest a majority of fans

would like to see worthy go. sad after the highs of 18 months ago, but

thats the reality.

I believe the pinkun couldn''t lead on a ''straw poll'' of people in

norwich by keven piper, who may even not be city fans, or ever been to

a game before. Its resaonable to assume if you''ve bothered to vote in a

poll, you are likely to be a fan or have adequate knowledge to form a

legitimate opinion.

The deano interview on radio norfolk suggested to me he is keen to go,

because he said he wanted to play in the prem, but didn''t add

''hopefully with norwich'' but instead said he was focused on city. 

This response is realisitic, because its unlikely city will go up this

year, but its hardly an endorsement of city.

I don''t think the truth or balance has been sacrificed by either the

pink un or the fans opinion of worthy - in ciy''s current position 

its to be expected.

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Hey A1Canary...

I must admit I''ve not really been about much recently so haven''t read

the Pinkun that often, but have started to pick up a little vibe in the

last few weeks.  There also seems to have been a lot of references

to "disgruntled message board users", suggesting that the Pinkun is

using these very boards as a source for the mood of Norwich fans,

something it seems to have previously avoided.

Or maybe its just going with the popular vote - how many people would

just assume that the Pinkun was licking the backside of the club if it

kept posting "All''s Well" headlines...

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So newspapers twist things then?

All this time I''ve been trusting the old ''current bun'' for it''s honest, straightforward and factual reporting and appears it''s editors were just trying to manipulate facts to sell newspapers.

Even those stalwarts of journalistic integrity the EDP and North Norfolk News appear to have been at it.

Aren''t we all just pawns in a game?

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Agreed Rudolph, i guess i was just thinking that there''s no need for our pinkun to mirror (ha ha) the red top approach of peddling the agendas of their owners.

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Bet they called you Sherlock of Fleet St........."Worthy must go" is so subtle I''d missed the point, thanks for sharing......

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thanks! the point was merely that the pinkun has quite clearly changed it''s stance.

another great example - exactly the same story that pinkun calls "Ashton keen on move up", the BBC calls it,

"Ashton not thinking about a move"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/norwich/4521192.stm

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It''s almost inevitable that the local press would turn a little bit against Worthy at this present time, to reflect popular opinion. You watch how quickly they''ll return to backing him if results start to improve

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You make a good point.

Another is the accuracy of polls. You can''t argue with the percentages,

but people who want to protest are more likely to vote. If you look at

the numbers actually voting, there are maybe 3000 voting for Worthy

out. What''s the fan base reached by the Evening news? 50,000? Somewhere

around there I''d suggest. That would mean 6% of the fan base voting for

change - hardly a mandate!

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[quote user="a1canary"]thanks! the point was merely that the pinkun has quite clearly changed it''s stance.

[/quote]

Well so have about 20,000 of the 26,000 regulars - hardly rocket

science.......... youll spot next week the press have turned on Blair

(but only if you have that journalistic 6th sense that enables you to

read between the lines...... "BLAIR OUT"...)

LOL

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Hmm, you''ve not really got the hang of this yet have you Spilt?. You''re quite new on here so i don''t know you as a poster so i''ve had a look at some of your posts and i think i know where you''re going wrong.

Try and enter into the debate a bit rather than limiting yourself to quoting people back at themselves and making sarcy or confrontational remarks. I''m sure you''re not that limited. Are you?

 

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Dear Spilt Diesel, you quote "

Well so have about 20,000 of the 26,000 regulars (turned against Worthy)".

Amazing, simply amazing, how you manage to speak, all on your own, on

behalf of about 17,000 people who have not yet voted in a newspaper

poll!

What next, "2 out of 3 winos on a park bench think aliens will land

tomorrow", therefore 40,000,000 British residents are drink-addled

morons?

Your arrogance astounds me (and, by simple extrapolation, about 10,000 other hypothetical barmen!).

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[quote user="Fat Barman"]Dear Spilt Diesel, you quote "

Well so have about 20,000 of the 26,000 regulars (turned against Worthy)".

Amazing, simply amazing, how you manage to speak, all on your own, on

behalf of about 17,000 people who have not yet voted in a newspaper

poll!

What next, "2 out of 3 winos on a park bench think aliens will land

tomorrow", therefore 40,000,000 British residents are drink-addled

morons?

Your arrogance astounds me (and, by simple extrapolation, about 10,000 other hypothetical barmen!).[/quote]

I'' not ''speaking on behalf of'' anyone, but I think its fair to say that

4 out of 5 fans have decided Worthy should go, thats 80%, thats 20,000

of the 26,000 give or take. WTF is that arrogant? Its fact. Personally

I''m one of the 20%, if only in appreciation of a trait shown by so few

board of directors in football.....loyalty. I''ve never been a worthy

fan,  he''s ok, he''s going through a bad patch, so did Ferguson

when he went to Man ure. His transfer sense is worse than my fantasy

team speculation and thats saying something, I''m STEAMING over the

blatent waste of five hundred thousand pounds spent on Hoooz, but thats

not exactly a hanging offence in football. He''s as good as is available

right now so......

I''m not sure I follow your wino analogy at all, maybe you should leave the stock alone???

As for being new on here, I''ve a total of around 3000 posts, I fancied

a new name, if you cant spot who I am from previous posts then maybe

you''re not the old hand you think you are.....Sherlock....(clue).LOL

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[quote user="Spilt Diesel"]

I'' not ''speaking on behalf of'' anyone, but I think its fair to say that

4 out of 5 fans have decided Worthy should go, thats 80%, thats 20,000

of the 26,000 give or take. WTF is that arrogant? Its fact. Personally

I''m one of the 20%, if only in appreciation of a trait shown by so few

board of directors in football.....loyalty. I''ve never been a worthy

fan,  he''s ok, he''s going through a bad patch, so did Ferguson

when he went to Man ure. His transfer sense is worse than my fantasy

team speculation and thats saying something, I''m STEAMING over the

blatent waste of five hundred thousand pounds spent on Hoooz, but thats

not exactly a hanging offence in football. He''s as good as is available

right now so......

I''m not sure I follow your wino analogy at all, maybe you should leave the stock alone???

As for being new on here, I''ve a total of around 3000 posts, I fancied

a new name, if you cant spot who I am from previous posts then maybe

you''re not the old hand you think you are.....Sherlock....(clue).LOL[/quote]

Firstly, if we''re talking figures, the evening news poll currently

shows 51% want Worthy out. Even if the poll showed 80% (the highest I

saw was 70%) it''s too open to abuse for safe conclusions. The point I

was making was that you can''t extrapolate based on the small numbers

voting.

Somebody mentioned national polls only asking 1500 people - the

difference there is the random nature of people being asked, nobody

phones in to give an opinion as this favours pressure groups who can

weight polls in their favour. Glad to see you favour retaining the

manager - apparently our thought processes (in this area at least) are

quite similar [:)]

The wino analogy was a demonstration (exaggerated I grant) of the

dangers of small samples of people, whose views don''t necessarily

mirror the general population, being asked to give opinions. I should,

however, probably cut down on my own intake!

I take it the reference to not being new wasn''t aimed at me - I try not

to value people by the number of posts otherwise I''d venerate the old

wand merchant above most others

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