a1canary 0 Posted December 12, 2005 Has anyone else noticed that a while ago now, i can''t pinpoint whenexactly without seeing all the articles of the last few months, thePink''un quite clearly started to turn on Worthy?As a trained journalist (altough i never took it up so i''m a bitrubbish really), i do know how to spot when a journalistic piece istrying to emphaise one angle over another. It can be very subtle, but on theother hand quite obvious if you''re looking for it and more recently,more and more articles seem to make little effort to balance theviewpoints.Example: 7th December Worthington Must GoThe headline speaks for itself and is quite different from an earlier headline NCISA Call for Worthy to Go eventhoughboth stories refer only to specific groups of people voting. And nomention of the anglia poll that, to quote kevin piper "discoveredoverwhelming support for the City boss on the streets of Norwich" twodays before the article.What''s much more telling though, is that buried half way down the page,we read that our Iwan has come out in support of NW. This would, isuggest, previously have been a story in itself, not, the second halfof an article headed ''Worthington must go''.Then there''s the spurious headline Ashton Keen on Move Up presumablypenned on the basis of his words "I am very ambitious and do want toplay in the Premiership." Ok, so are we going to see "Green keen onmove up", "Safri keen on move up", "Drury keen on move up" and everyother player come to that? The story does nothing but intensify thespeculation on him and add pressure to NW, as does the previous Dean ''will go'' headlinethat in fact refers to the Crewe assistant coach thinking he''ll go by the ENDof the season, not necessarily in January as the reader would expect itto mean. Dean ''will go'' by next season might have been the more balanced headline.This is not about those of us who are pro or anti NW, and i''m fastmoving in to the out camp, but i don''t want to have my mind made up forme by the media, i''ll do that myself thanks once they have conveyed thefacts. Opinions are fine, so long as they are labelled as such as withregular columnists. The media can say they are conveying the views oftheir readers or audience, and maybe that has been what has swung thepinkun''s decision at an editorial level to take a more overtly WO line.But the "it''s what our readers want" argument starts us off on theslippery slope to tabloid journalism and towards the marginalisation ofsignificant minorities who''s opinion is not for the journalist todecide. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lucky green trainers 0 Posted December 12, 2005 I think the pink un is only repsonding to the obvious disenchantment ofsupporters with worthy over city''s league position. I don''t feel itsmounting a worthy out campaign or trying to lead people unjustly.Its polls and the official supporters club suggest a majority of fanswould like to see worthy go. sad after the highs of 18 months ago, butthats the reality.I believe the pinkun couldn''t lead on a ''straw poll'' of people innorwich by keven piper, who may even not be city fans, or ever been toa game before. Its resaonable to assume if you''ve bothered to vote in apoll, you are likely to be a fan or have adequate knowledge to form alegitimate opinion.The deano interview on radio norfolk suggested to me he is keen to go,because he said he wanted to play in the prem, but didn''t add''hopefully with norwich'' but instead said he was focused on city. This response is realisitic, because its unlikely city will go up thisyear, but its hardly an endorsement of city. I don''t think the truth or balance has been sacrificed by either thepink un or the fans opinion of worthy - in ciy''s current position its to be expected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Monkey 52 Posted December 12, 2005 Hey A1Canary...I must admit I''ve not really been about much recently so haven''t readthe Pinkun that often, but have started to pick up a little vibe in thelast few weeks. There also seems to have been a lot of referencesto "disgruntled message board users", suggesting that the Pinkun isusing these very boards as a source for the mood of Norwich fans,something it seems to have previously avoided.Or maybe its just going with the popular vote - how many people wouldjust assume that the Pinkun was licking the backside of the club if itkept posting "All''s Well" headlines... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rudolph Hucker 0 Posted December 12, 2005 So newspapers twist things then? All this time I''ve been trusting the old ''current bun'' for it''s honest, straightforward and factual reporting and appears it''s editors were just trying to manipulate facts to sell newspapers.Even those stalwarts of journalistic integrity the EDP and North Norfolk News appear to have been at it.Aren''t we all just pawns in a game? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted December 12, 2005 Agreed Rudolph, i guess i was just thinking that there''s no need for our pinkun to mirror (ha ha) the red top approach of peddling the agendas of their owners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheerio 0 Posted December 13, 2005 Bet they called you Sherlock of Fleet St........."Worthy must go" is so subtle I''d missed the point, thanks for sharing...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted December 13, 2005 thanks! the point was merely that the pinkun has quite clearly changed it''s stance. another great example - exactly the same story that pinkun calls "Ashton keen on move up", the BBC calls it,"Ashton not thinking about a move" http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/norwich/4521192.stm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Aries 0 Posted December 13, 2005 It''s almost inevitable that the local press would turn a little bit against Worthy at this present time, to reflect popular opinion. You watch how quickly they''ll return to backing him if results start to improve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 13, 2005 You make a good point.Another is the accuracy of polls. You can''t argue with the percentages,but people who want to protest are more likely to vote. If you look atthe numbers actually voting, there are maybe 3000 voting for Worthyout. What''s the fan base reached by the Evening news? 50,000? Somewherearound there I''d suggest. That would mean 6% of the fan base voting forchange - hardly a mandate! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheerio 0 Posted December 13, 2005 [quote user="a1canary"]thanks! the point was merely that the pinkun has quite clearly changed it''s stance. [/quote]Well so have about 20,000 of the 26,000 regulars - hardly rocketscience.......... youll spot next week the press have turned on Blair(but only if you have that journalistic 6th sense that enables you toread between the lines...... "BLAIR OUT"...)LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a1canary 0 Posted December 13, 2005 Hmm, you''ve not really got the hang of this yet have you Spilt?. You''re quite new on here so i don''t know you as a poster so i''ve had a look at some of your posts and i think i know where you''re going wrong.Try and enter into the debate a bit rather than limiting yourself to quoting people back at themselves and making sarcy or confrontational remarks. I''m sure you''re not that limited. Are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 13, 2005 Dear Spilt Diesel, you quote "Well so have about 20,000 of the 26,000 regulars (turned against Worthy)".Amazing, simply amazing, how you manage to speak, all on your own, onbehalf of about 17,000 people who have not yet voted in a newspaperpoll!What next, "2 out of 3 winos on a park bench think aliens will landtomorrow", therefore 40,000,000 British residents are drink-addledmorons?Your arrogance astounds me (and, by simple extrapolation, about 10,000 other hypothetical barmen!). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheerio 0 Posted December 15, 2005 [quote user="Fat Barman"]Dear Spilt Diesel, you quote "Well so have about 20,000 of the 26,000 regulars (turned against Worthy)".Amazing, simply amazing, how you manage to speak, all on your own, onbehalf of about 17,000 people who have not yet voted in a newspaperpoll!What next, "2 out of 3 winos on a park bench think aliens will landtomorrow", therefore 40,000,000 British residents are drink-addledmorons?Your arrogance astounds me (and, by simple extrapolation, about 10,000 other hypothetical barmen!).[/quote]I'' not ''speaking on behalf of'' anyone, but I think its fair to say that4 out of 5 fans have decided Worthy should go, thats 80%, thats 20,000of the 26,000 give or take. WTF is that arrogant? Its fact. PersonallyI''m one of the 20%, if only in appreciation of a trait shown by so fewboard of directors in football.....loyalty. I''ve never been a worthyfan, he''s ok, he''s going through a bad patch, so did Fergusonwhen he went to Man ure. His transfer sense is worse than my fantasyteam speculation and thats saying something, I''m STEAMING over theblatent waste of five hundred thousand pounds spent on Hoooz, but thatsnot exactly a hanging offence in football. He''s as good as is availableright now so......I''m not sure I follow your wino analogy at all, maybe you should leave the stock alone???As for being new on here, I''ve a total of around 3000 posts, I fancieda new name, if you cant spot who I am from previous posts then maybeyou''re not the old hand you think you are.....Sherlock....(clue).LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fat Barman 0 Posted December 15, 2005 [quote user="Spilt Diesel"]I'' not ''speaking on behalf of'' anyone, but I think its fair to say that4 out of 5 fans have decided Worthy should go, thats 80%, thats 20,000of the 26,000 give or take. WTF is that arrogant? Its fact. PersonallyI''m one of the 20%, if only in appreciation of a trait shown by so fewboard of directors in football.....loyalty. I''ve never been a worthyfan, he''s ok, he''s going through a bad patch, so did Fergusonwhen he went to Man ure. His transfer sense is worse than my fantasyteam speculation and thats saying something, I''m STEAMING over theblatent waste of five hundred thousand pounds spent on Hoooz, but thatsnot exactly a hanging offence in football. He''s as good as is availableright now so......I''m not sure I follow your wino analogy at all, maybe you should leave the stock alone???As for being new on here, I''ve a total of around 3000 posts, I fancieda new name, if you cant spot who I am from previous posts then maybeyou''re not the old hand you think you are.....Sherlock....(clue).LOL[/quote]Firstly, if we''re talking figures, the evening news poll currentlyshows 51% want Worthy out. Even if the poll showed 80% (the highest Isaw was 70%) it''s too open to abuse for safe conclusions. The point Iwas making was that you can''t extrapolate based on the small numbersvoting.Somebody mentioned national polls only asking 1500 people - thedifference there is the random nature of people being asked, nobodyphones in to give an opinion as this favours pressure groups who canweight polls in their favour. Glad to see you favour retaining themanager - apparently our thought processes (in this area at least) arequite similar [:)]The wino analogy was a demonstration (exaggerated I grant) of thedangers of small samples of people, whose views don''t necessarilymirror the general population, being asked to give opinions. I should,however, probably cut down on my own intake!I take it the reference to not being new wasn''t aimed at me - I try notto value people by the number of posts otherwise I''d venerate the oldwand merchant above most others Share this post Link to post Share on other sites