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I doubt it to be honest, if we’re still in this division next season we won’t be able to afford him. If we’re promoted we could get better for what Sheff Weds would want for him

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27 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said:

I doubt it to be honest, if we’re still in this division next season we won’t be able to afford him. If we’re promoted we could get better for what Sheff Weds would want for him

We'll see if Rhodes is prepared to take a pay cut if we're still in the Championship, got to be better than going back to Wednesday. 

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High praise indeed from Farke but Rhodes seems to be for Sheffield Wednesday what Naismith became for us.

They would probably be more concerned with unloading than recouping.

If we remain in this division JR, who claims/wants to be a fit, might have to take a hit wages wise.

If we did go up then I feel that Dennis would unfortunately be the first to go. Despite his attitude and effort I cannot see him as PL class by a mile. He would fetch a fee though, either in our leagues or back home.

We would clearly need another striker, and although I would trust the present regime not to do a RVW/Naismith style **** up,  it wouldn't be cheap.

I, personally,  would not write off Jordan Rhodes being outed if we did go up as, even as third choice, he is the type of out and out goalscorer who would always pop up with a goal or two out of nothing in a situation where every goal will be precious.

Of course,who will know how Teemu would get on in the PL environment? He continues to exceed all expectations, especially recently.

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Let's be honest, Wednesday aren't in the position to keep a massive earner on the books for 2 years only to lose him for nothing. Wouldn't surprise me if there was already a figure in place to make it permanent anyway.

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Sorry for my ignorance but has Rhodes played in the Premier League before with previous clubs? ( obviously not with Sheffield Wed).

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10 minutes ago, ec-p said:

Sorry for my ignorance but has Rhodes played in the Premier League before with previous clubs? ( obviously not with Sheffield Wed).

Not to my knowledge.

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I doubt it to be honest, if we’re still in this division next season we won’t be able to afford him. If we’re promoted we could get better for what Sheff Weds would want for him

Completely agree

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9 minutes ago, ec-p said:

Sorry for my ignorance but has Rhodes played in the Premier League before with previous clubs? ( obviously not with Sheffield Wed).

He had a handful of substitute appearances for Boro, but never scored (not surprising as Boro rarely scored). 

I don’t think he’d be particularly good in the Prem and suspect whatever league Norwich are in next seasons Rhodes will play for someone else in the Championship. He’s been a substantial outlay for the club (the loan fee is over a million and Norwich are picking up most of his wages). It is just too much to be paying for a second choice striker. 

Someone will probably agree a similar kind of deal with Sheff W that Norwich did last summer and Jordan can keep picking up his large wages (and probably get more game time). 

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Thank you.

Depends how much Weds want for him I guess. He obviously loves it here and would want to stay given the opportunity. 

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I don't think six premier league games in a defensive minded team is any judgement on a player's ability to do well there.  His goals are generally clever poacher style goals and in the right set up, he - like Pukki - would score goals at the top level.   How many minutes has Rhodes played this season? Not many yet he has proved well worth his place in the squad with some vital goals. I see no reason for that to change if we are promoted.

It actually begs the question of how we would go about a premier league campaign - imo it would be following the same approach as we have now, using basically the same players, very few new ones and with no huge outlay.  Even just one PL season could set the club up for years in terms of developing the infrastructure at the club, rather than spending stupid amounts on players and contracts that could undermine what has been done over the last two seasons. 

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I agree 100% with all of that.

1. Rhodes' Premier League potential cannot be evaluated on evidence thus far.

2. He is a "poacher" and therefore will always be capable of that vital goal, whatever the level.

3. Certain players fit. Clearly he didn't do too well at 'Boro, but he has a very distinguished career goals-wise,albeit mostly at Championship level. He has not let NCFC down when called upon (that penalty excepted.)

4.Farke sees him as a positive character to have at the club ... DF is a specialist at this sort of assessment it would seem. 

 

RE: Promo. Agreed. Stick basically with what we have, reaping the rewards of television income for a season, get parachutes and coming down stronger and set up for years will be the WORST possible scenario of a brief stay.

I trust the current regime to strengthen where they see fit at the right cost. They have a proven record.

Another season of the Man. Uniteds and full gates and more coverage on television (liveSky, MotD.) is ok by me. Again, that's the WORST possible scenario.

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I think Rhodes doesn’t have the skill set a promoted team need from their striker. You want them to be quick (a Josh King), so they can threaten on the counter or big and strong (a Glenn Murray) so they can hold the ball up when isolated.

Pukki’s pace (although not searing) and runs in the channels means he might be okay. Rhodes is a 6 yard box player (and a very good one), but Norwich are unlikely to be able to make much use of someone like that when 9 times out of 10 they will have to defend more than attack. His wages and the fee won’t be worth spending on someone, who at 29 has limited resell value, that isn’t going to able to contribute more than 10/15 mins here and there when Norwich are chasing a game. 

Rhodes’ attitude is impeccable, that has been known for a long time, but for me he’s a Championship striker (much like Billy Sharp), who isn’t going to make much impact in the Prem. He probably missed his chance to do anything at that level when he turned down moves to go to the Premier League and stay at Blackburn, where he was on very high wages. 

I still think Norwich will spend a decent amount of money once promoted. With at least 3 or 4 £10m+ players coming in - a new striker will almost certianly be one of those players. 

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2 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Pukki’s pace (although not searing) and runs in the channels means he might be okay. Rhodes is a 6 yard box player (and a very good one), but Norwich are unlikely to be able to make much use of someone like that when 9 times out of 10 they will have to defend more than attack. His wages and the fee won’t be worth spending on someone, who at 29 has limited resell value, that isn’t going to able to contribute more than 10/15 mins here and there when Norwich are chasing a game. 

This. There is a reason he has scored so consistently at Championship level without ever being snapped up by a top division club. He's a great lad with a nose for goal at this level but he is a modern day Robert Earnshaw.

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Bearing in mind we found a number of quality players for very little money, it will be exciting to see who we can get if we’re spending a bit more on players in the £5-£10m area. We do have to get promoted first though 😉

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"I think Rhodes doesn’t have the skill set a promoted team need from their striker. You want them to be quick (a Josh King), so they can threaten on the counter or big and strong (a Glenn Murray) so they can hold the ball up when isolated.

Pukki’s pace (although not searing) and runs in the channels means he might be okay. Rhodes is a 6 yard box player ......"

 

Sorry, but I view that as stereotyping to the extreme. Compartmentalising, generalising, call it what you will.

Football is anything but that. We have Holty as the finest example of it's unpredictability. Who would have forecast his success in the top league? 

 

Besides, there are more than just a few teams in the Premier League who we will not be up against "nine tenths of the time" and will have to "defend against more than attack." Just look at that table from Everton downwards and, despite some big spending, most if not all of those teams will have survival as their main priority next season. Some will not come off big time for all sorts of reasons. We will have the benefit of a settled and purposeful set up at the very least.

 

DF is the best to decide the outcome of Rhodes. Webber has proven himself to know a good player at the right price when needed.

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23 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

 

I still think Norwich will spend a decent amount of money once promoted. With at least 3 or 4 £10m+ players coming in - a new striker will almost certianly be one of those players. 

I was thinking about this today, a bit early to talk about players for next season but I was wondering who would we be looking at to strengthen our squad. I was pondering over Kalvin Phillips,  if Leeds fall away, and with Tettey a year older, he's a good age, is very popular at Leeds,  could be the next Bradley Johnson... if we could afford him. 

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We have seen in recent years that 10 million pound players don't necessarily improve the team. 30 or 40 million will but obviously we are not in the position to compete at that level. Therefore, I predict that we will continue with our current approach. 

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I believe he will not be here next season, whatever division we find ourselves in.

It is obvious he enjoys it here and has been a good fit. He has missed a penalty and been very unlucky with other chances, as well as on the verge of scoring when the final whistle was blown. His goal tally to minutes on the pitch up to Preston was a bonus.

The management will have has a season to target strikers and others for next season and JRs age and wages probably disadvantages him.

It is going to be very interesting in the close season, no matter the result of this one.

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31 minutes ago, The Bristol Nest said:

We have seen in recent years that 10 million pound players don't necessarily improve the team. 30 or 40 million will but obviously we are not in the position to compete at that level. Therefore, I predict that we will continue with our current approach. 

I take your point, but there are always caveats - ask Chelsea how much Alvaro Morata, at £58m, improved them. Regarding Rhodes, I agree with Bethnal and King. He wouldn't have the pace to trouble PL defences and he won't find as time and space in the box.

Pukki has enough pace to get way from a defender and the timing of his runs, inside and outside of the box, is excellent - I can definitely see him getting a handful in the Premier League.

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40 minutes ago, The Bristol Nest said:

We have seen in recent years that 10 million pound players don't necessarily improve the team. 30 or 40 million will but obviously we are not in the position to compete at that level. Therefore, I predict that we will continue with our current approach. 

£10m players essentially is our current approach just adjusted for the Premier League. 

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3 minutes ago, Fuzzar said:

I take your point, but there are always caveats - ask Chelsea how much Alvaro Morata, at £58m, improved them. Regarding Rhodes, I agree with Bethnal and King. He wouldn't have the pace to trouble PL defences and he won't find as time and space in the box.

Pukki has enough pace to get way from a defender and the timing of his runs, inside and outside of the box, is excellent - I can definitely see him getting a handful in the Premier League.

I tend to disagree with that Fuzzar. Teddy Sheringham springs to mind. Murray is a present day example (if an inferior one).

I always think speed of thought beats speed of foot - if you've got both that makes you a top player - but one of the joys of football is the unexpected types of player that turn up; I would say Teemu & Marco are both atypical but both extremely effective.

I honestly don't know whether Jordan could cut it in the Prem. To me, considering his size, he looks a bit lightweight. I think he'd need to up his game, but i think he's intelligent enough to know this. 

Ultimately I'll take the club's judgement on any possible deal with him. In Farke We Trust!

 

 

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2 minutes ago, The Bristol Nest said:

Not sure I understand...

Currently we're bargain hunting at this level- if you go up to the Premier League then spending £10m on a player is still bargain hunting. 

Take Bournemouth or Palace- both of those teams have spend over £10m on multiple players. It is just the reality of Premier League football. 

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4 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

I tend to disagree with that Fuzzar. Teddy Sheringham springs to mind. Murray is a present day example (if an inferior one).

It sounds harsher than it is but at Premier League level Rhodes best Norwich comparison is Ricky Van Wolfswinkle- essentially a penalty box predator who thrives on chances being made for him. Very few teams in the bottom half of the Premier League can carry someone like that.

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1 minute ago, king canary said:

It sounds harsher than it is but at Premier League level Rhodes best Norwich comparison is Ricky Van Wolfswinkle- essentially a penalty box predator who thrives on chances being made for him. Very few teams in the bottom half of the Premier League can carry someone like that.

I don't think that's a fair comparison. I think Rhodes has got more about him - & I think RvW would have been just as big a flop at Champs. level. I think Jordan's got more potential, but I'm not saying he would necessarily fulfill it.

 

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Just now, ron obvious said:

I don't think that's a fair comparison. I think Rhodes has got more about him - & I think RvW would have been just as big a flop at Champs. level. I think Jordan's got more potential, but I'm not saying he would necessarily fulfill it.

 

I agree he has more than Ricky did but I think they're styles of play are similar. Strikers for teams lower down the league usually need to either have pace or be big physical types who can bring others in. Rhodes isn't really either. 

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