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During those great years of Lamberts reign, he was a master of getting his substitute decision spot on.

Pleasing to see by Saturdays game Farke seems to have that same skill in tactics in getting it right.

Must be quite a skill to have as a manager.

 

 

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There is always going to be a certain amount of luck involved with substitutions - the main thing is having the quality on the bench to make a difference, but what Farke does seem to which is similar to Lambert - is to be positive.  Fortune favours the brave!

 

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I think most managers would put on a forward player when a goal down & chasing a result.  What Farke seems to be good at (and has the players in the squad to achieve it), is changing his formation as well.

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17 minutes ago, Woodman said:

I think most managers would put on a forward player when a goal down & chasing a result.  What Farke seems to be good at (and has the players in the squad to achieve it), is changing his formation as well.

You are correct, but oddly, didn't Hughton in the PL make defensive substitutions when we were in a losing position? I seem to remember he made changes very late in the game. Frustrating times.

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19 minutes ago, Icecream Snow said:

Thought Culverhouse did all the substitutions and tactical changes?

Rule when discussing Lambert- anything good, Culverhouse did it.

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2 minutes ago, king canary said:

Rule when discussing Lambert- anything good, Culverhouse did it.

I think it was Delia doing the good stuff. She's the only one who has achieved anything since....

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1 minute ago, nutty nigel said:

I think it was Delia doing the good stuff. She's the only one who has achieved anything since....

Delia got lucky by hiring McNally.

Lambert got lucky because he inherited Holt and Hoolahan, plus he had Culverhouse doing all the work.

Really I think we all owe a massive debt of gratitude to Gunn and Doncaster.

 

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Of course hiring Webber is another huge slice of luck. As was the appointment of Worthington. Without such fortune all she would have achieved is relegation to division three old money....

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2 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Of course hiring Webber is another huge slice of luck. As was the appointment of Worthington. Without such fortune all she would have achieved is relegation to division three old money....

You've nailed it. Of course Grant, Roeder, Hamilton and Gunn were all unlucky. The universe is chaos and nothing we do has any bearing on the world.

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5 minutes ago, king canary said:

Delia got lucky by hiring McNally.

Lambert got lucky because he inherited Holt and Hoolahan, plus he had Culverhouse doing all the work.

Really I think we all owe a massive debt of gratitude to Gunn and Doncaster.

 

Joking aside, Gunn was very instrumental at getting Holt in to the club - the key figure in our transformation on the pitch during the Lambert years. 

No-one is all-bad or all-good, it's just that on forums like these people like to say "he/she is great" or "he/she" is rubbish" - the truth is often in between those extremes.

 

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1 minute ago, lake district canary said:

Joking aside, Gunn was very instrumental at getting Holt in to the club - the key figure in our transformation on the pitch during the Lambert years. 

No-one is all-bad or all-good, it's just that on forums like these people like to say "he/she is great" or "he/she" is rubbish" - the truth is often in between those extremes.

 

Gunn was rubbish though. Signing one good player doesn't stop you being a rubbish manager. Roeder signed Wes, he was still rubbish.

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2 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

Gunny was unlucky to inherit from Grant and Roeder...

I honestly have Grant down as one of the worst things to happen here- his use of his transfer budget was questionable to say the least.

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8 minutes ago, king canary said:

I honestly have Grant down as one of the worst things to happen here- his use of his transfer budget was questionable to say the least.

Totally. I liken it to the situation we were in last year except Grant replaced quality with dross.

 

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Lakey’s point is essentially right, as even ‘mistakes’ can create conditions for future success.

Doncaster’s desire to reduce pcm overheads and contractual liabilities dovetailed with Roeder’s penchant for flashing his contacts books and led to a preponderance of loans.

This in turn ensured that Lambert inherited a very clean slate in typical football terms (excepting the key Holt-Hoolahan-Martin axis), allowing him to mould a New Model Army in his (younger) image from a luxurious blank sheet of football paper. I suspect that this is his true skill and relegation and thinning out at Ipswich may suit him well (unlike huge piles of deadwood at Villa).

Parma

 

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10 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

This in turn ensured that Lambert inherited a very clean slate in typical football terms

Not quite how I remember it.

Lambert inherited a squad stuffed with dross signed by Gunn that he couldn't use, which I imagine did hamstring him in the transfer market at least a bit.

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41 minutes ago, king canary said:

Not quite how I remember it.

Lambert inherited a squad stuffed with dross signed by Gunn that he couldn't use, which I imagine did hamstring him in the transfer market at least a bit.

Lambert used largely Gunn's squad in League 1.   Forster and Russell Martin were the main two who Lambert got in, but largely the success of that season was down to the players that Lambert inherited from Gunn - look at any team sheet in that season and you will see it.  Yes, he built on that towards the end of the season and into the next, but as far as the success in League 1 goes, the players used were mostly already in the squad.

 

 

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Askou, Gill, Hughes, McVeigh, Nelson and Holt were all used to good effect by Lambert.

Theoklitos, Maric, Tudor-Jones, Whaley and Wiggins weren't.

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Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me but my main memory of that season was a usual first XI of...

Forster

Martin, Nelson, Doherty, Drury

Russell, Smith, Lappin

Wes

Martin  Holt

Most of those players were pre Gunn.

 

 

 

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2009-2010 season

Appearances/Goals

Includes appearances as a substitute

Last updated: May 8, 2010

PLAYER
 
LEAGUE
CUP
TOTAL
CAREER
 
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
Tom Adeyemi
11
0
6
0
17
0
17
0
Ben Alnwick
3
0
3
0
6
0
6
0
Jens Berthel Askou
22
2
5
0
27
2
27
2
Jamie Cureton
6
2
2
0
8
2
108
23
Luke Daley
7
0
3
0
10
0
13
0
Josh Dawkin
0
0
3
0
3
0
3
0
Gary Doherty
38
6
6
1
44
7
227
14
Adam Drury
35
0
4
0
39
0
323
3
Dario Dumic
0
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
Stephen Elliott
10
2
0
0
10
2
10
2
Fraser Forster
38
0
4
0
42
0
42
0
George Francomb
2
0
1
0
3
0
3
0
Matthew Gill
8
0
2
0
10
0
10
0
Sam Habergham
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Grant Holt
39
24
5
6
44
30
44
30
Wes Hoolahan
37
11
5
3
42
14
77
16
Stephen Hughes
29
3
5
0
34
3
34
3
Oli Johnson
17
4
0
0
17
4
17
4
Danny Kelly
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Simon Lappin
44
0
6
0
50
0
88
3
Damon Lathrope
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Goran Maric
0
0
2
0
2
0
2
0
Chris Martin
42
17
6
6
48
23
78
28
Russell Martin
26
0
1
0
27
0
27
0
Cody McDonald
17
3
8
1
25
4
32
5
Anthony McNamee
17
1
0
0
17
1
17
1
Paul McVeigh
9
0
2
0
11
0
246
40
Michael Nelson
31
3
5
0
36
3
36
3
Jon Otsemobor
13
1
4
0
17
1
104
2
Michael Rose
12
1
0
0
12
1
12
1
Declan Rudd
7
0
1
0
8
0
8
0
Darel Russell
35
2
4
0
39
2
271
19
Korey Smith
37
4
3
0
40
4
42
4
Michael Spillane
13
1
3
0
16
1
33
1
David Stephens
0
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
Michael Theoklitos
1
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
Owain Tudur Jones
3
1
3
0
6
1
6
1
Simon Whaley
3
0
3
0
6
0
6
0
Zak Whitbread
4
0
0
0
4
0
4
0
Rhoys Wiggins
0
0
3
0
3
0
3
0

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31 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

2009-2010 season

Appearances/Goals

Includes appearances as a substitute

Last updated: May 8, 2010

PLAYER
 
LEAGUE
CUP
TOTAL
CAREER
 
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
Tom Adeyemi
11
0
6
0
17
0
17
0
Ben Alnwick
3
0
3
0
6
0
6
0
Jens Berthel Askou
22
2
5
0
27
2
27
2
Jamie Cureton
6
2
2
0
8
2
108
23
Luke Daley
7
0
3
0
10
0
13
0
Josh Dawkin
0
0
3
0
3
0
3
0
Gary Doherty
38
6
6
1
44
7
227
14
Adam Drury
35
0
4
0
39
0
323
3
Dario Dumic
0
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
Stephen Elliott
10
2
0
0
10
2
10
2
Fraser Forster
38
0
4
0
42
0
42
0
George Francomb
2
0
1
0
3
0
3
0
Matthew Gill
8
0
2
0
10
0
10
0
Sam Habergham
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Grant Holt
39
24
5
6
44
30
44
30
Wes Hoolahan
37
11
5
3
42
14
77
16
Stephen Hughes
29
3
5
0
34
3
34
3
Oli Johnson
17
4
0
0
17
4
17
4
Danny Kelly
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Simon Lappin
44
0
6
0
50
0
88
3
Damon Lathrope
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
Goran Maric
0
0
2
0
2
0
2
0
Chris Martin
42
17
6
6
48
23
78
28
Russell Martin
26
0
1
0
27
0
27
0
Cody McDonald
17
3
8
1
25
4
32
5
Anthony McNamee
17
1
0
0
17
1
17
1
Paul McVeigh
9
0
2
0
11
0
246
40
Michael Nelson
31
3
5
0
36
3
36
3
Jon Otsemobor
13
1
4
0
17
1
104
2
Michael Rose
12
1
0
0
12
1
12
1
Declan Rudd
7
0
1
0
8
0
8
0
Darel Russell
35
2
4
0
39
2
271
19
Korey Smith
37
4
3
0
40
4
42
4
Michael Spillane
13
1
3
0
16
1
33
1
David Stephens
0
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
Michael Theoklitos
1
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
Owain Tudur Jones
3
1
3
0
6
1
6
1
Simon Whaley
3
0
3
0
6
0
6
0
Zak Whitbread
4
0
0
0
4
0
4
0
Rhoys Wiggins
0
0
3
0
3
0
3
0

Interesting.

I'd love to see how many of those were starts- Stephen Hughes for example I don't remember being used that much. 

It does show that only 3 of Gunn's 12 signings were involved in over 50% of league games which isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. 

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Stephen Hughes was a regular starter until he got injured and was one of our best players that autumn.

As for how many were sub appearances, it makes no difference to the point made that they were used to good effect by Lambert.

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Interesting to see how many were shown the door at the end of that season,  from memory we were a very different outfit the following year. 

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28 minutes ago, splendidrush said:

Interesting to see how many were shown the door at the end of that season,  from memory we were a very different outfit the following year. 

Indeed.

PLAYER
 
LEAGUE
FA CUP
CARLING
TOTAL
CAREER
 
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
App
Gls
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
17
0
5
0
0
0
1
1
6
1
33
3
Leon Barnett
25
1
1
0
0
0
26
1
26
1
44
8
0
0
0
0
44
8
44
8
1
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
14
0
Josh Dawkin
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
20
1
1
0
1
0
22
1
345
4
Rob Edwards
3
0
0
0
0
0
3
0
3
0
32
1
1
0
2
0
35
1
35
1
George Francomb
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
4
0
4
0
0
0
1
0
5
0
15
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
45
21
1
0
2
2
48
23
92
53
41
10
1
0
2
0
44
10
121
26
1
0
0
0
1
0
2
0
36
3
39
13
1
0
1
0
41
13
41
13
Oli Johnson
4
0
0
0
2
0
6
0
23
4
Henri Lansbury
23
4
0
0
0
0
23
4
23
4
27
0
1
0
2
0
30
0
118
3
30
4
1
0
1
2
32
6
110
34
Russell Martin
46
5
1
0
2
0
49
5
76
5
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
32
5
Anthony McNamee
17
0
1
0
2
0
20
0
37
1
8
2
0
0
1
0
9
2
45
5
Dani Pacheco
6
2
0
0
0
0
6
2
6
2
1
0
1
0
1
0
3
0
11
0
45
0
0
0
1
0
46
0
46
 
0
28
0
1
0
1
0
30
0
72
4
7
0
0
0
0
0
7
0
7
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
22
3
0
0
0
0
22
3
22
3
Marc Tierney
16
0
0
0
0
0
16
0
16
0
2
0
0
0
0
0
2
0
8
1
Sam Vokes
4
 
1
0
0
0
0
4
1
4
1
39
1
0
0
2
0
41
1
41
1
Zak Whitbread
22
1
1
0
0
0
23
1
27
1
Aaron Wilbraham
12
1
1
0
0
0
13
1
13
1

 

Including a few Lambert duds. Smudgers old mate MacNamee, Oli Johnson and Steven Smith.

But to be fair all this is nothing unusual. Every season players disappoint while others surprise.

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3 hours ago, king canary said:

You've nailed it. Of course Grant, Roeder, Hamilton and Gunn were all unlucky. The universe is chaos and nothing we do has any bearing on the world.

The universe is a concatenation of every cause & event effect, of which there are untold googleplexes, since the Big Bang.

Everything is totally inevitable & completely unpredictable. No such thing as luck. Just unpredictability.

We are surfing the dialectic.  :classic_blink:

 

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3 hours ago, ron obvious said:

The universe is a concatenation of every cause & event effect, of which there are untold googleplexes, since the Big Bang.

Everything is totally inevitable & completely unpredictable. No such thing as luck. Just unpredictability.

We are surfing the dialectic.  :classic_blink:

 

I thought that was Parma summarising kick off on Saturday

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