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10p for a plastic bag ...I'm in!

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Forgive me if I've not seen it but I do believe that a decent size forum like this should have a thread discussing environmental issues. So here it is.

So to kick off ........I'm one of the many that takes a bag with me when I walk along the North Norfolk coast picking up plastic waste washed up on the beach. In the grand picture it probably makes no difference at all, but makes me feel better. 

 

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I think this is a good idea. The 5p cost made me think twice about all the bags I used to use, and now I try to remember to take a couple with me.

If we can come up with a plan to stop "drive-thru dumpers" I'll be happy.

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I hope it works but have my doubts about something as low as 10p. I think many will just pay it. I would make them at least £1and a bag for life more like 20p.

The only way is to get rid of single use plastic. We managed without it before. In fact packaging is a disgrace, I always comment about tea bags. Cellophane wrapper around a box surrounding foil bags surrounding bags of tea! No need.

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15 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

I hope it works but have my doubts about something as low as 10p. I think many will just pay it. I would make them at least £1and a bag for life more like 20p.

The only way is to get rid of single use plastic. We managed without it before. In fact packaging is a disgrace, I always comment about tea bags. Cellophane wrapper around a box surrounding foil bags surrounding bags of tea! No need.

You got me thinking there KG, I came across an old tea strainer the other day when I was cearing out some boxes, Im going to go back to loose tea and using a teapot. It will probably taste better too!

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You got me thinking there KG, I came across an old tea strainer the other day when I was cearing out some boxes, Im going to go back to loose tea and using a teapot. It will probably taste better too!

Good idea. Our coffee is now beans in a paper bag. Haven't got to loose tea yet but it will be on the agenda (only Mrs KG drinks tea).

We were discussing that we should go back to seasonal food. Do we really need strawberries at Christmas or sprouts in July? Then we could really tackle the problem of needless packaging.

Our recycling bags aren't big enough to cope with everything. I remember when I was a child that our dustbin was only a quarter full with four of us at home. We burnt the paper and the dog or chickens ate the food waste.

I am not advocating going back to open fires but we ought to be able to find a way of rendering our own waste at home.

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I’ve thought about this and why don’t they just stop supermarkets selling plastic bags at point of sale. I’m pretty sure everyone now has a pile of 10p bags stocked up at home, or do what they do in America and have paper carry bags (which should also have a price).

It would make people think ahead. The amount of plastic littering the world is disgusting and no-one really seems that bothered about stopping it.

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This topic does make me look closer at the ridiculous packaging a bit more closer. It's quite simple that people like me need to drastically change the way I buy stuff. For example I wanted some pears. The individual ones were small and rock hard so I bought some packaged ones that were large and sensible. 3 different pieces of packaging wrapped them, 2 non recyclable. My dad bought some cakes from a well known brand. Each slice individually wrapped in a hard plastic shell, with a cardboard outer. (I could also add the multiple Christmas chocolates that came with about four or five different pieces of plastic, card, foil etc.not including wrappers)

I know I can't change things on my own but small steps to change my own behaviour, and keeping this topic alive, might help in changing others.

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Herman

When things get left on supermarket shelves because people aren't buying them, we will see a change. It will be hard. I don't want people jumping down my throat but our Council released dat of the worst places fro recycling in Cornwall. Redruth North was way behind anywhere else. Redruth North is the council estate area. Lots of single mammajammas more concerned with texting "Tyrone" on her mobile than anything else.

The top areas were Feock, St Mawes. Places where you start at 500K for a home.

Now there are certain arguments than can be projected but as it is New Year I would like to project that many in Redruth North haven't even heard of recycling and if they had would not give a flying wotsit to do it.

It will take industry and the public to either be fined or encouraged.to make a total change but it is still up to us to make a start. And getting rid totally of single use plastic is a must.

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Massive support to those who are taking action on climate change. From the kids walking out of school on a Friday, to those who are gluing themselves to trains. We are destroying the planet and seemingly nobody with an ounce of power gives a flying f***. 1 billion raised to rebuild Notre Dame in 24 hours yet we're not willing to pump any money into cleaning up our oceans. India and China dumping into the ocean with no recourse whatsoever from the international community as we're all doing the same but with fewer people.

 

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Massive support to those who are taking action on climate change.

You're actually kidding, right?

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On 17/04/2019 at 19:08, kick it off said:

Massive support to those who are taking action on climate change.

 

 

Massive support for people like the following, right?

 

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Greta Thunberg!

What a classy young lady.

When you actually see environmental degregation on an industrial scale, as I have, you long for a small voice in the wilderness to come forward and create change, I hope she is the one that will precipitate it.

 

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3 hours ago, Van wink said:

Greta Thunberg!

What a classy young lady.

When you actually see environmental degregation on an industrial scale, as I have, you long for a small voice in the wilderness to come forward and create change, I hope she is the one that will precipitate it.

 

It's never been a good idea to politicise children, Van Winkerton:

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Another Scandinavian, Bjørn Lomborg, is an adult who I'm more in agreement with concerning global priorities.

Go read his book 'The Skeptical Environmentalist' 👍

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There's a lot of right wing shills attacking Greta. I wonder what scares them about a 16 year old girl?

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30 minutes ago, Herman said:

There's a lot of right wing shills attacking Greta. I wonder what scares them about a 16 year old girl?

Right-wing shills? Attacking? Scared?

Try people of all shades, left, right & centre being slightly dubious, Hermo --- Dubious because Greta's school strike coincided with the launch of a book about climate change written by her mother, Malena Ernman 🤔 The school strike was publicised online by the same PR man who was publicising her mother's climate change book 🤔🤔

So you see, Herbaceous, people are obviously going to be a tad dubious and many are suggesting that Greta is little more than a shill for her mother and her PR man.

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When is Toby Young going to attack Sir David Attenborough? He's saying roughly the same. What about Staines and Monty? Maybe a national icon may be too hard for them to attack. A sixteen year old girl with autism will be easier to bully. Cowards.

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2 hours ago, Herman said:

When is Toby Young going to attack Sir David Attenborough?

 

 

Dear old David Attenborough has been talking climate bollox for years now, which is a shame because it's somewhat spoiled my viewing pleasure and I love all wildlife/nature programmes --- I was upset at the sight of walruses falling to their death, but it had nothing to do with climate change -- they were driven to their deaths by polar bears which herded them over the cliff and then feasted on the bodies afterwards.

Attenborough has become more a national turd now rather than a national treasure.

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How do you right wingers explain the current situation? Extreme weather events.regular record breaking temperatures, serious lack of rainfall, seasons less distinct, winters warming up, rivers drying up.

I've worked out of doors for nearly 30 years, and I'd happily admit I don't understand all of the scientific data out there, but I can tell from my own humble view that something is changing and it probably isn't very good, (although admittedly warmer).

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Nothing in the news about climate change protests this weekend - must be too cold for them 🐧

Unseasonably cold weather is somewhat inconvenient for their agenda it would seem 🌍⛈️☔☀️🌜❄️🌡️🌊🙃

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Delingpole: Farage Spoke the Truth on Climate Change. Why Does No Other Politician Dare?

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It’s time our politicians came clean on climate change.

We need to know exactly where they stand.

Are they for

a) junk science, cooked books, rigged data, old people dying in fuel poverty, landscapes trashed and wildlife slaughtered by bat-chomping bird-slicing eco-crucifixes, enriched crony capitalists, higher taxes, green ideologues making the rules, economic stagnation, wealth redistribution, brainwashed kids, academic corruption, the decline of the West?

or

b) economic growth, the scientific method, cheap energy, rising standards of living, deregulation, freedom, liberty, abundance, conservation, nature, prosperity, limited government?

You can be one or the other but you can’t be both any more than you can be half pregnant.

And it’s time we stopped indulging those politicians, especially on the conservative side of the argument, who pretend you can.

This is why I praised Nigel Farage for his sensible response at the weekend to a climate change question by a BBC interviewer.

BBC apparatchik Andrew Marr asked:

“Do you still believe that worrying about global warming is the stupidest thing in human history?”

Farage replied:

“I believe that if we decide in this country to tax ourselves to the hilt, to put hundreds of thousands of people out of work in manufacturing industries, given that we produce less than 2 per cent of global CO2, that isn’t terribly intelligent.”

When was the last time we heard such sense from a leading British Conservative politician? Sure, I’m aware that on the backbenches there are a few MPs like Owen Paterson – formerly the Environment Secretary – who understand that ‘climate change’ is the biggest scientific fraud – and arguably the worst case of government waste – in history.

But why aren’t we hearing it from any of the leading contenders to replace Theresa May as Prime Minister?

 

It’s a measure of just how ideologically frivolous, how out of touch with the party base, how out of touch with reality that the Conservative government has grown that none of its senior figures is capable of articulating – or, apparently, even understanding – what the intelligent and proper conservative position should be on climate change.

And it doesn’t even require them to address the fraught issue of “the science,” which is far too complicated to address in a sound bite and is, therefore, best avoided.

That’s what was canny about Farage’s response – which is also, incidentally, the Donald Trump response: treat it as a question about practicality and about economics.

Delingpole: Viva #Brexit! Nigel Farage Totally Destroys BBC's Andrew Marr https://t.co/oszbde3UGL

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) May 12, 2019

 

On the practicality front, as Farage implied, even if Britain were to decarbonise its entire economy it would still only shave off two per cent of global manmade CO2 emissions and therefore would be self-sacrificial and pointless.

On the economics front, climate change intervention means higher taxes and fewer jobs – neither of which any self-respecting Conservative administration should be championing.

But the Conservatives are still trying to live out David Cameron’s ‘greenest government ever’ fantasy. (Anyone remember David Cameron or know what became of him, btw?)

They actually imagine that – true to their spirit of their mentor Tony Blair – climate change is another of those issues on which they can triangulate.

A recent article in the Spectator by a senior adviser from the Energy and Environment Unit from the Conservatives’ favourite think tank Policy Exchange captures perfectly the fatuousness of their delusion.

It’s written by Benedict McAleenan – formerly an adviser to Biomass UK, so very much a creature of the Climate Industrial Complex – with the snappy, come-on title “It’s capitalism not socialism that will beat climate change.”

Then you read it and realise – nah, it’s actually just more turd-polished socialism he’s advocating.

It’s really about time that the Conservatives stopped trying to please the BBC and the Guardian and similar institutions which will always hate them, regardless – and wake up to what’s actually going on.

Delingpole: After Brexit, Britain Needs Some Actual Conservatism for a Change https://t.co/MWNWXWw8Nc

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) May 8, 2019

 

Real damage is being done right now to Britain, its people, its economy, its integrity, its landscape, its wildlife and its future prospects by misguided climate change policy.

And it’s time that Conservatives paid less attention to David Attenborough’s tendentious bleatings and a bit more to the fact-driven postings of Britain’s most dedicated skewer of environmentalist myth: the great Paul Homewood.

Homewood deserves to be made the equivalent of a Hero of the Soviet Union for his Stakhanovite output.

The plenitude of his posts gives an idea of the scale of the problem and also of the degree to which climate propaganda is infecting every nook and cranny of our daily lives.

Let me sum up a few of his recent posts:

Climate Change Killing Frogs, Say BBC.
BBC quotes researcher claiming climate change is killing British frogs and demanding action be taken to “reverse human-driven climate change”. In fact, all the scientific evidence suggests that the ‘ranavirus’ was the result of human activity, probably importing frogs and fish.

BBC Claims Poor Countries Are Worse Off Because of Fossil Fuels
Marxist drivel, derived from computer models, with no economic basis whatsoever. In fact, India – one of the supposed victims – has grown massively more prosperous as a result of cheap, abundant energy and a growing global economy.

Guardian Lauds Coal Free Week- But Forgets To Mention Gas Supplied 49%!
‘Britain has gone a week without using coal to generate electricity for the first time since Queen Victoria was on the throne,” crows the Guardian. Yes, but at the cost of higher prices, more imported energy – and with fossil fuel gas and nuclear still propping up the bulk of Britain’s energy economy.

Govt May Curb Flying to Please Green Loons
The BBC’s house eco-loon Roger Harrabin reports:

Concerns over climate change might restrict the growth of flying in the UK, the government has admitted.

The advisory Committee on Climate Change (CCC) recently said the UK’s planned increase in aviation would need to be curbed to restrict CO2.

Homewood:

I have one very simple question. Why is the Department of Transport even talking to this tiny bunch of eco-loons, who call themselves Plan B?

Potty Wadhams and King Want to ‘Fix’ the Climate
Homewood is understandably critical of the following news from the BBC:

Scientists in Cambridge plan to set up a research centre to develop new ways to repair the Earth’s climate.

It will investigate radical approaches such as refreezing the Earth’s poles and removing CO2 from the atmosphere.

And rightly so. As he points out, the scientists pushing this scheme – Peter Wadhams (who lost all credibility on his predictions that Arctic ice would have vanished by now) and Sir David King – have a terrible track record on climate. It’s also worth asking: who is funding this nonsense? The taxpayer presumably.

The sample gives a snapshot of just how heavily watermelon politics – green on the outside, red on the inside – have penetrated our culture. Academic institutions have been suborned, our energy supply system has been corrupted, liberty (such as our freedom to fly as often as we wish) is being curtailed, the very fabric of nature is being tampered with, our state media is churning out the kind of relentless propaganda more normally associated with totalitarian regimes.

Environmentalism, in short, poses the most massive threat to our freedoms, the integrity of our institutions, our standard of living, our environment. And instead of standing up to it, our political class — even Conservatives who should know better — is saying to the minority of rabid eco-loons promoting this poisonous ideology “What more can we do to abase ourselves and meet your every perverted need?”

Delingpole: Six Reasons Why You Should Ignore the UN’s Species Extinction Report https://t.co/SKjW3992CH

— Breitbart London (@BreitbartLondon) May 8, 2019

 

Well enough, I say.

Environmental scepticism should not be an optional extra for any prospective leader hoping to steer Britain out of the mess it’s currently in towards a bright, independent, prosperous post-Brexit future.

And I’m damned if I’m going to support any candidate who doesn’t get it.

Conservatives are conservationists. But that’s not the same as being environmentalists. Environmentalism is a political philosophy which has almost nothing to do with saving the environment.

Farage and the Brexit Party (at least most of it: I have my doubts about that special forces guy) get this. So do Gerard Batten and UKIP. But the Conservatives don’t and I’ve had quite enough of their stupid games. Unless they start talking sense on this issue, they fully deserve the electoral oblivion that is fast coming their way.

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Have a look at Attenborough's presentation to Parliament, on the Indy web site!

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No prizes awarded for this but see if you can join the dots and find out what party this lot are supporters (no members) of.

wind energy “the biggest collective economic insanity I’ve seen in my entire life.”

Nigel Farage

“There is no climate change, hasn’t anybody looked out of their window recently?”

Ann Widdicombe-she thinks homosexuality will eventually be cured by science.

"coal was about to make a comeback "

Annunziata Rees-Mogg

Fox has also tweeted supportively of Viscount Matt Ridley’s climate science denial and recommended people look to Bjorn Lomborg, who argues it would be too expensive to tackle climate change in a meaningful way.

Claire Fox-also thinks it would be censorship to take child pornography and graphic terrorism violence off the internet

young people without work whose purpose was to “to annoy people with jobs”.

George Farmer- who believes Trump is a peace campaigner.

climate change was not man-made and that it was “ridiculous” to think humans could change the climate. He also said it was “complete stupidity to think by sticking a bunch of wind turbines all over Wales that we are somehow going to stop the weather from changing”.

Nathan Gill

“Evolution we can prove. Unless you're blinded by faith. Climate change cannot be proven. Unless you're blinded by faith?”

Martin Daubney ex News of the World journalist

“Even the global warming brigade have stopped calling it global warming now in favour of climate change, which means anything they want it to mean.”

Lance Forman-luxury smoked salmon producer

 “if we want to avoid extinction, extinguishing socialism in all its guises should be our priority.”

Brian Monteith

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Some people saying GretaThunberg's trip across the ocean is a stunt. And even had the stupidity to say her trip isn't 100% carbon free. So what? It is a close as they can get to it and much of the carbon fibre boat is made from recycled carbon fibre.

Of course it isa stunt, aren't red buses with slogans on the same thing.

While it has not been conclusively proved that man is the sole cause of climate change, every help we can give nature while it goes through these changes has to be worth it.

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