lappinitup 629 Posted December 16, 2018 " Daniel Farke opted to keep his counsel before the match but disclosed afterwards Christoph Zimmermann, Max Aarons, Todd Cantwell and Emi Buendia were all struggling with illness." “I didn’t want to mention it before the game, but we also had four or five struggling with the flu,” he said. “Christoph did not sleep last night. We had Todd Cantwell, Emi Buendia, Max Aarons all a bit weak with the flu. I didn’t want to mention it because I don’t like to offer excuses." Can't the club afford flu jabs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted December 16, 2018 I don't think it was flu, with it you could never play a game of football. It was probably a heavy cold, all my family have had it, luckily I missed it. 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 16, 2018 There are a multitude of viruses going around all falling roughly into the category of flu, some are , some are not actually influenza. Either way, they make the sufferer not100% . Hardly surprising that we saw a below par performance yesterday. Fair play to those that went out and did their best under those circumstances . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,745 Posted December 16, 2018 Apparanyky both cantwell and buendia were affected?....maybe should have started hernandez for one of them?? ...unless of course hernandez had it too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted December 16, 2018 Some flu over the Farke's best........ perhaps Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,737 Posted December 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bill said: Some flu over the Farke's best........ perhaps Many on here think you are cuckoo. 😜 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted December 16, 2018 And the flu jab does not make you immune to flu, it just lessens your chances of catching it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola Han Solo 448 Posted December 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bill said: And the flu jab does not make you immune to flu, it just lessens your chances of catching it Thanks Doctor 👨🏻⚕️ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted December 16, 2018 always glad to help (that will be £45) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted December 16, 2018 National health service ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 16, 2018 No NHS over here lads, €50 to see the doc, plus pay for any meds they prescribe. plus €2-50 prescription charge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted December 16, 2018 I reckon the old timers like Daly, Rickyyy and Tilly have had the flu jab.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted December 16, 2018 As a doctor I am often asked "is it enough simply to give the elderly a flu jab to help them avoid the worst of the cold weather ?" My thought is no They need to wrap up well Perhaps someone has a picture, as an example, of how the elderly in our community can wrap up to keep out the elements. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,737 Posted December 16, 2018 It would be of help to us all if you wrapped up. 😎 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted December 16, 2018 you were saying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,526 Posted December 16, 2018 We've already got a doctor practicing on here so unless you've learnt to do it properly you'd be best having a go somewhere else... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 495 Posted December 16, 2018 I thank you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,737 Posted December 16, 2018 This doctor was funny City1st so some lessons to be had...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted December 16, 2018 he wasn't a real doctor Til... honest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 16, 2018 I reckon the old timers like Daly, Rickyyy and Tilly have had the flu jab. They offered it to me and Mrs KG but we don't think either of us have ever had flu in our ever increasing lives. We had the anti sepsis jab though as I had a septic finger when I was seven. To be fair, I reckon DF was given the English definition of Flu which to an organised German is nothing more than a bad cold. Dow wadda min? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Mass Debater 1,081 Posted December 16, 2018 Flu is an over and mis-used term. Flu is what people say when they think 'cold' or 'virus' sound too wussy. They want it to seem that only a severe illness could take them down. It is exaggeration for a multitude of different reasons. Problem with this is that it changes people's understanding of what something is. You see it with true depression not being understood because of the amount of people who say 'I'm depressed' when they're blue or a bit fed up. This means many don't take it seriously, because they come to believe that colds and 'The Flu' are the same. This means uptake of the Flu vaccine can be poor. People are also surprised when they continue to get colds despite having the Flu jab (not realising the Flu jab only protects against Flu, if that depending on effectiveness of each year's vaccine) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Mass Debater 1,081 Posted December 16, 2018 57 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: I reckon the old timers like Daly, Rickyyy and Tilly have had the flu jab. They offered it to me and Mrs KG but we don't think either of us have ever had flu in our ever increasing lives. We had the anti sepsis jab though as I had a septic finger when I was seven. To be fair, I reckon DF was given the English definition of Flu which to an organised German is nothing more than a bad cold. Dow wadda min? You should have your Flu jab (apologies for linking to the Guardian) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/18/flu-outbreak-gps-under-huge-pressure-as-deaths-soar-to-120 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted December 16, 2018 You should have your Flu jab (apologies for linking to the Guardian) No apology needed, if I read a paper it would be the Guardian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray 111 Posted December 16, 2018 Two or three years back a senior player looked to my missus to care for his health (my missus is a natural health practitionor). One Friday evening we received a call saying he was going down with flu and could she help, she did, and the next day he played and was selected as man of the match. On talking to him in the Gunn Club he told me all symptoms had disappeared by morning. A few months later I received a call from said player within 2 minutes of the final whistle, telling me the club doctors were waiting in the dressing room to give all players the flu jab (the following week was international week and they know there can be side effects, therefore allowing two weeks to recover, **** those playing internationals). I was asked what my wife would suggest, I told him she would say go nowhere near it because he knew how to treat himself naturally. He declined the jab, apparently the docs were not happy. 6 weeks later flu went through the camp, pretty much the only player unaffected was said player. The moral of the story, natural prevention is better than cure, something our grandmothers used to advocate before the introduction of the NHS, which to be clear I think is a wonderful thing but can lead to a lack of personal responsibility for taking care of our own health for 'minor' ailments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 513 Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Ray said: Two or three years back a senior player looked to my missus to care for his health (my missus is a natural health practitionor). One Friday evening we received a call saying he was going down with flu and could she help, she did, and the next day he played and was selected as man of the match. On talking to him in the Gunn Club he told me all symptoms had disappeared by morning. A few months later I received a call from said player within 2 minutes of the final whistle, telling me the club doctors were waiting in the dressing room to give all players the flu jab (the following week was international week and they know there can be side effects, therefore allowing two weeks to recover, **** those playing internationals). I was asked what my wife would suggest, I told him she would say go nowhere near it because he knew how to treat himself naturally. He declined the jab, apparently the docs were not happy. 6 weeks later flu went through the camp, pretty much the only player unaffected was said player. The moral of the story, natural prevention is better than cure, something our grandmothers used to advocate before the introduction of the NHS, which to be clear I think is a wonderful thing but can lead to a lack of personal responsibility for taking care of our own health for 'minor' ailments. Utterly without merit. Just stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray 111 Posted December 16, 2018 TBN, What is exactly? Ray Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 696 Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Ray said: Two or three years back a senior player looked to my missus to care for his health (my missus is a natural health practitionor). One Friday evening we received a call saying he was going down with flu and could she help, she did, and the next day he played and was selected as man of the match. On talking to him in the Gunn Club he told me all symptoms had disappeared by morning. A few months later I received a call from said player within 2 minutes of the final whistle, telling me the club doctors were waiting in the dressing room to give all players the flu jab (the following week was international week and they know there can be side effects, therefore allowing two weeks to recover, **** those playing internationals). I was asked what my wife would suggest, I told him she would say go nowhere near it because he knew how to treat himself naturally. He declined the jab, apparently the docs were not happy. 6 weeks later flu went through the camp, pretty much the only player unaffected was said player. The moral of the story, natural prevention is better than cure, something our grandmothers used to advocate before the introduction of the NHS, which to be clear I think is a wonderful thing but can lead to a lack of personal responsibility for taking care of our own health for 'minor' ailments. Amazing. All these millions of pounds spent on scientifically tried and tested vaccines with trials proving that they reduce deaths in vulnerable groups could be saved. Just like that. Why ever isn't it universally accepted? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray 111 Posted December 16, 2018 Hairy, I give up, I can't answer your question, may be because pharma is big business and low cost remedies don't suit them? I'm not saying they don't have their place just that there other options as the example I gave testifies to. I have known my wife for over 20 years and only ever had 2 minor colds in that period, maybe I'm just lucky? My wife started to research natural remedies when she became very, very ill and the doctors couldn't help, that was 20 years ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Juler 148 Posted December 17, 2018 I work in clinical research, the standard quadrivalent flu jab covers the 4 strains of influenza that WHO (World Health Organisation) predict will be prevalent in the northern hemisphere for the winter season. This year for the 2018/19 flu season they are: A/Michigan/45/2015 (H1N1)pdm09-like virus; A/Singapore/INFIMH-16-0019/2016 (H3N2)-like virus; B/Colorado/06/2017-like virus (B/Victoria/2/87 lineage); B/Phuket/3073/2013-like virus (B/Yamagata/16/88 lineage) The vaccine will have very little success against any other strain of the virus. There is then the level of immune response that must be show in the clinical trails. In the main vaccination population of the over 65s, the immune response only needs to be 30% for seroconversion (a four-fold increase in antibody) for the vaccine to be deemed successful. So whilst there is no doubt the vaccine does offer some protection, in reality the vaccine alone isn't anywhere close to guaranteeing a flu free winter. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,457 Posted December 17, 2018 Funnily enough I’ve been to all of those places and never had the flu 😁 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites