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13 minutes ago, Herman said:

Well, as Len posted something interesting it must have been to you.

Oh right, I see.

Well to address your remark that nobody cares if the MSM lie, I have to call BS --- Millions of people have ditched their TV licenses in the last couple of years and they continue to do so --- and I can guarantee you it's not just down to live TV, Netflix etc..

The majority have ditched the license because of the BBCs bias.

So you're wrong (again) - There are millions of people in this country who appreciate honesty and do care.

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9 minutes ago, Len said:

Flattery will get him nowhere. Young Herman has a lot of growing up left to do.

Can't disagree with that 👍

A fifty-something year old doing student politics is cringey -- And then there's Billock....

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11 minutes ago, Len said:

Flattery will get him nowhere. Young Herman has a lot of growing up left to do.

I didn't say you were interesting. I said you wrote something interesting. Big difference. Not that you can read this😀

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7 hours ago, Jools said:

I am shocked that  Jack letts has had  his citizenship revoked yesterday.  Jacks father said it “felt like a kick in the stomach” 😰

I am forming a petition to revoke this decision later on and I hope you lovely people here at the pink 'uk will sign it 👍

Please explain, or are you being sarcastic.  The guy is a terrorist.   

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1 minute ago, paul moy said:

Please explain.  The guy is a terrorist.

Joke post from this morning, Paul 😀

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"So you're wrong (again) - There are millions of people in this country who appreciate honesty and do care."

Are you on a massive wind up or do you suffer from zero self awareness??

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3 minutes ago, Herman said:

"So you're wrong (again) - There are millions of people in this country who appreciate honesty and do care."

Are you on a massive wind up or do you suffer from zero self awareness??

I don't think it's honest to deny the result of the referendum, Herman.  

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  •   Operation Yellowhammer is not just Project Fear
  •   Dominic Cummings and his team are trying to do in three months what May had three years to do
  •   A few weeks' disruption should not deter Britain from seeking an independent trade policy

What, ministers asked their civil servants, might happen if the UK were to leave the EU without a deal?  What would be the best and the worst-case scenarios?

So off their civil servants went, preparing a report which outlined precisely that; the best and worst case as to what might happen.

This report into the state of the UK’s Brexit preparedness – Operation Yellowhammer – was then leaked to a newspaper last week.  Which went and presented the worst-case scenarios as inevitable fact.

The headlines that followed told how we would run out of fresh food and fuel.  Medicines would be in short supply. There would be long delays at ports, airports and the channel tunnel.

Really?  Media coverage of ‘Operation Yellowhammer’ says much about the failings of political journalism in this country.  What it did not do was tell us much about the state of No Deal Brexit planning.  It managed to both overdramatise and at the same time overlook the interesting story about what is being done to get the country ready.

Then, as always happens in the choreography of any Brexit coverage, a certain sort of Brexiteer was on hand to tell us that this was all just “Project Fear Mark II” anyway.

“It’s just like the Millennium Bug” a certain type of Tory MP likes to insist.  “When the year 1999 rolled over into 2000, the chaos that was supposed to occur never happened.  This will be just the same”.

I’m not sure this is the right response.

For a start, this is not simply Project Fear, however idiotically alarmist the press coverage.  We can hardly blame the civil service for doing what they were asked in preparing a report that looked at the worst that might happen.

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Nor does Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s right-hand man in Downing Street, imagine that leaving the EU without a deal will be just like the Millennium Bug.  He is clever enough to recognise that there will be all kinds of implications that need to be anticipated and prepared for.

But that is precisely what is now happening – which is the really interesting story that has been overlooked by the bovine press lobby.

The point about the leaked Yellowhammer report is that it is old.  It was written when Theresa May was Prime Minister and dragging her kitten heels over Brexit preparations.  The months of minister-induced stasis are over.

Cummings and his team are attempting to do in three months what May had three years to do, but didn’t.  It’s a race against the clock, and story of extraordinary resolve, gusto and guts.

We have heard the term “No Deal Brexit” so often that we have lost sight of what we mean by it.  The UK and the EU may well fail to agree an overarching treaty to govern relations between us after we leave.  But that does not mean that there won’t be all kinds of micro arrangements.

Indeed, many of these are already in place, governing everything from aviation to driving licences.  Part of what Cummings is doing in Downing Street involved working out where any sort of official level understanding needs to be arrived at in order to enable friction-free arrangements to carry on where desirable.  What we do not want is to wait until after we have left to discover areas where official intransigence, bloody-mindedness or simply incompetence could make life hard for those that depend on international interdependence involving our EU neighbours.

Just as pressing as international trade is the question of post-Brexit subsidies for UK farmers and others who could be impacted by an end to the current tariff arrangements.

It is not Project Fear to point out that once the UK is not in the EU, we are unlikely to want to impose tariffs on imports from the EU – irrespective of what they might decide to do. If that is the case, then we cannot realistically retain tariffs on imports from the rest of the world either.

“And a good thing too” I hear you say.  I agree.  Moving towards free trade is one of the big plus points of leaving the EU.

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But this has to be done in a way that does not wipe out UK producers overnight in certain sectors, like beef farming.  The good news is that as net contributors to the Common Agricultural Policy, ministers have plenty to play around with.  But what they don’t have much of is time to put in place new policies that ensure leaving the EU is good news for all our farmers.

It would be absurd to suggest, as Philip Hammond has, that we should not have our own independent trade policy as a nation because of the possibility of a few weeks’ of disruption when we leave the EU.

But at the same time, no one should underestimate the Herculean task Cummings, Gove and co are undertaking to ensure that that disruption is kept to a minimum.

The issues that need to be resolved are real.  It’s not Project Fear to point this out.  It’s key to helping ensure we make a success of Brexit.

 

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1 hour ago, Len said:

 

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I don't believe polls but this one does at least sound extremely credible as I don't see how any of the hypocritical anti-democrats could possibly unite a country that has a clear majority that wants to leave the EU at all costs.  

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12 minutes ago, paul moy said:

I don't think it's honest to deny the result of the referendum, Herman.  

It was bent as a 9 bob note, as the old saying goes.

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2 minutes ago, ron obvious said:
  •   Operation Yellowhammer is not just Project Fear
  •   Dominic Cummings and his team are trying to do in three months what May had three years to do
  •   A few weeks' disruption should not deter Britain from seeking an independent trade policy

What, ministers asked their civil servants, might happen if the UK were to leave the EU without a deal?  What would be the best and the worst-case scenarios?

So off their civil servants went, preparing a report which outlined precisely that; the best and worst case as to what might happen.

This report into the state of the UK’s Brexit preparedness – Operation Yellowhammer – was then leaked to a newspaper last week.  Which went and presented the worst-case scenarios as inevitable fact.

The headlines that followed told how we would run out of fresh food and fuel.  Medicines would be in short supply. There would be long delays at ports, airports and the channel tunnel.

Really?  Media coverage of ‘Operation Yellowhammer’ says much about the failings of political journalism in this country.  What it did not do was tell us much about the state of No Deal Brexit planning.  It managed to both overdramatise and at the same time overlook the interesting story about what is being done to get the country ready.

Then, as always happens in the choreography of any Brexit coverage, a certain sort of Brexiteer was on hand to tell us that this was all just “Project Fear Mark II” anyway.

“It’s just like the Millennium Bug” a certain type of Tory MP likes to insist.  “When the year 1999 rolled over into 2000, the chaos that was supposed to occur never happened.  This will be just the same”.

I’m not sure this is the right response.

For a start, this is not simply Project Fear, however idiotically alarmist the press coverage.  We can hardly blame the civil service for doing what they were asked in preparing a report that looked at the worst that might happen.

Get more from CapX

Nor does Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s right-hand man in Downing Street, imagine that leaving the EU without a deal will be just like the Millennium Bug.  He is clever enough to recognise that there will be all kinds of implications that need to be anticipated and prepared for.

But that is precisely what is now happening – which is the really interesting story that has been overlooked by the bovine press lobby.

The point about the leaked Yellowhammer report is that it is old.  It was written when Theresa May was Prime Minister and dragging her kitten heels over Brexit preparations.  The months of minister-induced stasis are over.

Cummings and his team are attempting to do in three months what May had three years to do, but didn’t.  It’s a race against the clock, and story of extraordinary resolve, gusto and guts.

We have heard the term “No Deal Brexit” so often that we have lost sight of what we mean by it.  The UK and the EU may well fail to agree an overarching treaty to govern relations between us after we leave.  But that does not mean that there won’t be all kinds of micro arrangements.

Indeed, many of these are already in place, governing everything from aviation to driving licences.  Part of what Cummings is doing in Downing Street involved working out where any sort of official level understanding needs to be arrived at in order to enable friction-free arrangements to carry on where desirable.  What we do not want is to wait until after we have left to discover areas where official intransigence, bloody-mindedness or simply incompetence could make life hard for those that depend on international interdependence involving our EU neighbours.

Just as pressing as international trade is the question of post-Brexit subsidies for UK farmers and others who could be impacted by an end to the current tariff arrangements.

It is not Project Fear to point out that once the UK is not in the EU, we are unlikely to want to impose tariffs on imports from the EU – irrespective of what they might decide to do. If that is the case, then we cannot realistically retain tariffs on imports from the rest of the world either.

“And a good thing too” I hear you say.  I agree.  Moving towards free trade is one of the big plus points of leaving the EU.

Elsewhere on CapX

But this has to be done in a way that does not wipe out UK producers overnight in certain sectors, like beef farming.  The good news is that as net contributors to the Common Agricultural Policy, ministers have plenty to play around with.  But what they don’t have much of is time to put in place new policies that ensure leaving the EU is good news for all our farmers.

It would be absurd to suggest, as Philip Hammond has, that we should not have our own independent trade policy as a nation because of the possibility of a few weeks’ of disruption when we leave the EU.

But at the same time, no one should underestimate the Herculean task Cummings, Gove and co are undertaking to ensure that that disruption is kept to a minimum.

The issues that need to be resolved are real.  It’s not Project Fear to point this out.  It’s key to helping ensure we make a success of Brexit.

 

It is responsible to do contingency planning for a No Deal brexit.  Some of the items on the list though are so ridiculous that it is clearly politically motivated anti-Brexit scaremongering by remoaners and makes the creators look rather silly.

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1 minute ago, Herman said:

It was bent as a 9 bob note, as the old saying goes.

Indeed, and we still won despite all of the project fear lies.

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38 minutes ago, Jools said:

Oh right, I see.

Well to address your remark that nobody cares if the MSM lie, I have to call BS --- Millions of people have ditched their TV licenses in the last couple of years and they continue to do so --- and I can guarantee you it's not just down to live TV, Netflix etc..

The majority have ditched the license because of the BBCs bias.

So you're wrong (again) - There are millions of people in this country who appreciate honesty and do care.

This research, was it conducted by Guido?

 

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3 minutes ago, paul moy said:

Indeed, and we still won despite all of the project fear lies.

No, you won because it was bent as a 9 bob note, as the old saying goes.

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1 hour ago, paul moy said:

Please explain, or are you being sarcastic.  The guy is a terrorist.   

Not defending Jack at all, he deserves what he's got and more... however, the irony is our PM is a terrorist with far more blood on his hands, someone you have lauded. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/11/johnson-allowed-arms-sales-to-saudis-after-strike-on-food-factory

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Money to be made if you think Bill is right.

Second Referendum

Yes 12-1   No  1-25

 

Revoke A50

Yes 3-1  No 4-11

Odds by Oddschecker

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8 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Money to be made if you think Bill is right.

Second Referendum

Yes 12-1   No  1-25

 

Revoke A50

Yes 3-1  No 4-11

Odds by Oddschecker

Billy is going to make a fortune, I wonder how much he will place 😉

My hunch would be be nothing at all,  he has no more idea how this will end than the rest of us, dispite his constant Bull$hitting.

In fact he is unable to post anything to explain how he thinks things will go.

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If Billy has the inside info it might be wise to have a fiver.

I make no comment other than that the money indicates few agree with him.

But as Supermac said. "Events dear boy, events"

My crystal ball is still cloudy.

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15 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Money to be made if you think Bill is right.

Second Referendum

Yes 12-1   No  1-25

 

Revoke A50

Yes 3-1  No 4-11

Odds by Oddschecker

Have already confessed to novice status at gambling but aren't those odds are bit surprising?

3-1 seems very short odds for an outcome that hardly anyone has advocated, at least not without a second referendum which quite a lot of MPs are backing - so why is 2nd referendum  12-1?

Genuine question @ricardo, I'm obviously missing something here.

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

Oh right, I see.

Well to address your remark that nobody cares if the MSM lie, I have to call BS --- Millions of people have ditched their TV licenses in the last couple of years and they continue to do so --- and I can guarantee you it's not just down to live TV, Netflix etc..

The majority have ditched the license because of the BBCs bias.

So you're wrong (again) - There are millions of people in this country who appreciate honesty and do care.

As The Sun, that paper that will bash the BBC given even a quarter of a chance, justified or not, reported in July this year, sales of licences are down, but only by 37,000, and that is the first fall in a decade. And The Sun did directly attribute this to the likes of Netflix, with no mention at all of your fantasy about it being Brexit-related:

THE BBC has seen a drop in TV Licence sales for the first time in a decade as the corporation is battered by competition from Netflix and Amazon. Younger viewers have switched off and opted for streaming services instead - costing the Beeb millions.

 

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8 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Have already confessed to novice status at gambling but aren't those odds are bit surprising?

3-1 seems very short odds for an outcome that hardly anyone has advocated, at least not without a second referendum which quite a lot of MPs are backing - so why is 2nd referendum  12-1?

Genuine question @ricardo, I'm obviously missing something here.

I don't make the odds. Bookmakers make them based upon bets struck. Obviously there has been little money for Yes.

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2 minutes ago, ricardo said:

I don't make the odds. Bookmakers make them based upon bets struck. Obviously there has been little money Yes.

Yes, I realise that but I thought you might have a rationale for it.

Is it just that there are so few bets struck at the moment and they aren't the ones most of us would have expected?

Do you think the current situation is so volatile that even seasoned gamblers are wary of getting involved? 

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4 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Yes, I realise that but I thought you might have a rationale for it.

Is it just that there are so few bets struck at the moment and they aren't the ones most of us would have expected?

Do you think the current situation is so volatile that even seasoned gamblers are wary of getting involved? 

Like I said a few days ago, it's a febrile atmosphere and I've seen lots of very plausible scenarios but only one is going to be right. If you think 12-1 is good odds for a second ref then it's worth a couple of quid.

Things can change quickly in Political betting but it is also a long race. Therefore it is possible to back both outcomes and show a profit whatever happens. Not easy but has been done.

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5 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Things can change quickly in Political betting but it is also a long race. Therefore it is possible to back both outcomes and show a profit whatever happens. Not easy but has been done.

Don't think its for me but still interesting to see how/why people are prepared to stake hard cash.

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3 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Don't think its for me but still interesting to see how/why people are prepared to stake hard cash.

If you are ever tempted follow these rules.

Never bet more than you can cheerfully afford to lose.

When in doubt, don't.😀

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25 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Like I said a few days ago, it's a febrile atmosphere and I've seen lots of very plausible scenarios but only one is going to be right. If you think 12-1 is good odds for a second ref then it's worth a couple of quid.

Things can change quickly in Political betting but it is also a long race. Therefore it is possible to back both outcomes and show a profit whatever happens. Not easy but has been done.

There will never be a second referendum as there is no point if they have not implemented the first one, and also some have said they will ignore that one as well if leave wins. Also, it would surely be fixed.

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4 minutes ago, paul moy said:

There will never be a second referendum as there is no point if they have not implemented the first one, and also some have said they will ignore that one as well if leave wins. Also, it would surely be fixed.

Doesn't matter if it's fixed or not, it's 12-1 that we will have one.

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"The point about the leaked Yellowhammer report is that it is old.  It was written when Theresa May was Prime Minister and dragging her kitten heels over Brexit preparations.  The months of minister-induced stasis are over. "

Douglas Carswell via Ron.

Sorry Ron, as was pointed out yesterday, it isn't old. It is regularly updated and this version was from the beginning of August, well into Johnson's reign of terror.

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