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8 minutes ago, Herman said:

It would be similar to Man City changing their name to Moss Side Blues , getting millions more in funding and a load of new players and then people being surprised that this "new" team have managed to win the league in their "first" season.

Colourful analogy, Herm, but for it to work you'd have to tell us what the Brexit Party used to be called. I think only the Cuks changed their nane

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@PurpleCanary

Yes you are quite right purple, it's why it's so difficult to solve as people on the same side are also vehemently apposed to each other!

I am not for destruction at all so there is a limit to how far I will go but I do believe sometimes it is necessary to create a crisis. Without the occasional crisis nothing would ever change.

As for the working classes being angry, this isn't a surprise to me. They have been the first to be hit by the fourth industrial revolution. High skilled jobs ( meaningfull jobs) have been replaced by a few button pushers and the jobs that have been created to replace them are low skilled , mind numbing and quite frankly mentally disturbing!!!!

I will give you a personal example, I went for a job at an oak timber framing company, this is  if you haven't done it,  an amazingly satisfying job or it was!!!  They wanted me to square of the mortices as the CNC machine couldn't do that !!!!! I was like......REALLY!!!!!! NO THANKS.

We have got to be far more imaginative in how we create work in the future. Maybe more in the creative and leisure and environmental industries and less in the bureaucratic industry.

People need to do stuff they enjoy more often.

And this leads me to my biggest fear about the EU. I fear it's going to end up a overly rigid, overly bureaucratic, box ticking , centrally controlled fonctionnaire paradise!!! alternatively known as fking nightmare!!! or France 😉

Oh and I am not surprised that the pro EU vote held strong as they live on an estate and we live on an island. They have lots of neighbours and we just have sea 😉 totally different mentality.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

The Tories and Labour have a great deal to worry about.

The Brexit Party isn’t going to go away until a “proper” Brexit has been delivered and - unfortunately for the main parties - they don’t get to choose what constitutes a proper Brexit.

All the time people feel betrayed by the establishment parties, the Brexit Party will be there, eating away at their core votes.

This has been a great night for democracy in the UK.

 

Not sure how a party with no MPs in Parliament is going to have much of a say on the final deal.

As I said earlier Nigel "Conservative/UKIP/Brexit Party/I have never been elected as an MP" Farage would have happily ignored the will of the people had the EU Referendum result not gone the way he wanted, so we/he should not be surprised that those that wish to remain in the EU will continue their fight.

The Conservatives and Labour need to equally worried about the Lib Dems and Green Party eating away at their core votes.

This certainly has been a great night for democracy in the UK, with all but Northern Ireland to declare we see that the leave EU party polled 5.2m votes and the pro EU parties (I have left Labour and Conservatives out of the equation) polled 5.8M votes, this is reflected in the number of MEPs the two factions returned (29/27).........

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2 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

 AOC alluded to the notion that somehow growing cauliflowers was racist. These are her words. She is a dumb Socialist. 

You fail again. The point was she supports community gardens. The point was the people would be most receptive to suggestions what to grow that fit their culture. The point was one size fits all suggestions - like Cauliflower - are not going to get maximum engagement. The people she was talking to / about understand exactly what was meant by “colonial approach”

Again she is whip smart Democrat member of Congress and she demonstrates it every weak. I do wish there were some smart Republicans as well, but if there are they are doing a great job of hiding in plain sight. 

Oh by the way American Soy Bean farmers are going out of business because someone was stupid enough to start a trade war with China .... and now is flailing around to pay them off with compensation rather than keep open markets into which they can sell their products - THAT is Socialism right there, 

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3 minutes ago, Surfer said:

You fail again. The point was she supports community gardens. The point was the people would be most receptive to suggestions what to grow that fit their culture. The point was one size fits all suggestions - like Cauliflower - are not going to get maximum engagement. The people she was talking to / about understand exactly what was meant by “colonial approach”

Again she is whip smart Democrat member of Congress and she demonstrates it every weak. I do wish there were some smart Republicans as well, but if there are they are doing a great job of hiding in plain sight. 

Oh by the way American Soy Bean farmers are going out of business because someone was stupid enough to start a trade war with China .... and now is flailing around to pay them off with compensation rather than keep open markets into which they can sell their products - THAT is Socialism right there, 

You and AOC are not going to be successful gardeners if you think you can grow things in the wrong environment. Which pretty much sums up your politics, tbh

Sorry to hear about the soy bean farmers but you'll have to chip in and do your bit by drinking more of those skinny soy lattes. 

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so it all fizzled out as the drift away from nrexit continues

brown shirts being swapped for blackshirts does not signify an increase in the support

pro Leave parties polled around 44% which by whatever way you spin it is quite a drop from the referendim

this was an election where we would see the Leave vote surge ahead.or so we were told.... but in reality it fell even further back

the stark reality that those with an IQ in double figures acknowledge is that the UK is still in the EU 3 years after the referendim

 

and for those who do understand what is happening watch as the legislative use the lawful democratic process to remove  'no deal' from the statute

 

ps another clueless effort from the Jools/RTB/Han crank nutter as following on from his failure to understand the difference between an exit poll and a result, he then fails to understand the difference between the percentage of the vote and the seats allocated

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30 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

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Aye, the notion of 'Remainiac Parties' as a singular concept has been invented by all those in denial about a clear TBP win.

 

From Guido:

BAD AL'S MAGICAL NUMERICAL THINKING

Alastair Campbell is going for a repeat of his 2010 performance when he toured the studios arguing, most famously with Adam Boulton, that Gordon Brown should stay in Downing Street as Prime Minister because the Tories had not really won. Al’s now arguing, after saying he voted LibDem because Labour weren’t anti-Brexit enough, that if you add up all the remain supporting parties’ votes, remain won. Despite the Brexit Party clearly and obviously winning. The clue is in the name.

The remainstream Times is in peak Pravda-mode:

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We can argue about whether Labour is or isn’t a pro-Brexit party. However in their own campaign literature the LibDems said Labour were a pro-Brexit party, Greens and Change UK also said Labour were a pro-Brexit party, even the party’s Deputy Leader said they were pro-Brexit. Bad Al himself voted LibDem because he thought they were not anti-Brexit enough for him!

The Conservative Party, which ran on the slogan that they were “the only party which can deliver Brexit” is somehow not counted by The Times as a Leave party. Laughable.

 

 

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If you add up all the points gained by Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs it's clear that London won the Premier League with Manchester far behind in second place. 

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4 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

If you add up all the points gained by Fulham, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs it's clear that London won the Premier League with Manchester far behind in second place. 

you don't really understand any of this, do you ?

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RtB - Has the BS media said the people who voted for TBP didn't know what they were voting for yet? 😀

 

According to Electoral Calculus, if last night's vote had been a GE, the result would be:

Conservative: 0 seats
Labour: 93 seats
Lib: 31 seats
Green: 1 seat
SNP: 56 seats
Plaid: 5 seats
Brexit: 446 seats

Brexit majority 242!

 

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21 minutes ago, Bill said:

you don't really understand any of this, do you ?

   On 23/05/2019 at 21:02,  Daz Sparks said: 
   On 23/05/2019 at 21:02,  Daz Sparks said: 

Just voted, interesting to know that the polling clerk replied when asked that the turn out was high, exceptionally so for a Euro election.

Anyone seen any exit polls?

"err, they can't be published until the polls close - 10pm"

 

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1 hour ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said:

Not sure how a party with no MPs in Parliament is going to have much of a say on the final deal.

As I said earlier Nigel "Conservative/UKIP/Brexit Party/I have never been elected as an MP" Farage would have happily ignored the will of the people had the EU Referendum result not gone the way he wanted, so we/he should not be surprised that those that wish to remain in the EU will continue their fight.

The Conservatives and Labour need to equally worried about the Lib Dems and Green Party eating away at their core votes.

This certainly has been a great night for democracy in the UK, with all but Northern Ireland to declare we see that the leave EU party polled 5.2m votes and the pro EU parties (I have left Labour and Conservatives out of the equation) polled 5.8M votes, this is reflected in the number of MEPs the two factions returned (29/27).........

A 6 week old party wins enough votes that if transferred to constituencies, would result in a landslide win with our FPTP system. Think what they can do in 6 months.

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This is an absolute classic of the “we only lost in one version of reality” genre. That version of objective reality being the one that can count votes. According to the Green Party’s Siân Berry, if you add up all the votes of the parties that lost, they won. If Bad Al is a “weapon of mass delusion”, what is Siân?

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1 hour ago, Rock The Boat said:

You and AOC are not going to be successful gardeners if you think you can grow things in the wrong environment. Which pretty much sums up your politics, tbh

Sorry to hear about the soy bean farmers but you'll have to chip in and do your bit by drinking more of those skinny soy lattes. 

Your first comment proves you’d rather confirm your bias than acknowledge truth - cauliflowers won’t grow in large parts of the US - it’s too hot.

Your no sympathy for farmers is noted. I’m sure you will have no sympathy for UK farmers either when Farage and his pals find the US is also happy enough to start a trade war with the EU and UK as well - whether I buy any Soy based products is irrelevant when a trade war destroys an entire export market. 

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10 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

A 6 week old party wins enough votes that if transferred to constituencies, would result in a landslide win with our FPTP system. Think what they can do in 6 months.

On a turnout of less than 40%. 

With absolutely no policies.

Bit of a stretch to try and extrapolate this into a GE scenario. 

There are marked trends but I think that trying to say they could win a landslide in a GE despite having no policies, shows a real lack of any kind of political nous.

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11 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

A 6 week old party wins enough votes that if transferred to constituencies, would result in a landslide win with our FPTP system. Think what they can do in 6 months.

Not really a 6 week old party, just UKIP re-badged, I suspect the electorate would like to see more than just one policy, in fact it would be good to see what Mr Farage has to say about the NHS amongst other things.

In other news if my aunt had **** she would be my uncle........

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15 minutes ago, Jools said:

This is an absolute classic of the “we only lost in one version of reality” genre. That version of objective reality being the one that can count votes. According to the Green Party’s Siân Berry, if you add up all the votes of the parties that lost, they won. If Bad Al is a “weapon of mass delusion”, what is Siân?

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And apparently TBP have effectively just won a GE by a landslide. Some fun extrapolations from both sides.

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Oh dear, and there was Jools saying that the left can't do memes.😳

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

This is an absolute classic of the “we only lost in one version of reality” genre. That version of objective reality being the one that can count votes. According to the Green Party’s Siân Berry, if you add up all the votes of the parties that lost, they won. If Bad Al is a “weapon of mass delusion”, what is Siân?

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She's been chomping too much soy

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I wondered when Hartley Brewer would pipe up. Talk about Diane Abbot's maths deficiency. If you look at the results Dopey Doris you will see that in terms of Leavers and Remainers, the result has turned around 52-48.

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24 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Mr Farage has said that he will only go for it if Brexit is not completed by the time of the next election

poor mouse brain, as clueless as ever

as above the pro Leave vote continues to fall away

his almost endless bleats about the UK leaving the EU on 29th March have for some strange reason stopped - as has his claim that he would post up all those quotes of mine that stated it would not happen

the current situation is there is enough support within Parliament to take 'no dea; of the statute, and that appears to be the way it is heading

shifting the votes of a number of bigots from a political party to a shell company says little, apart from highlighting the stupidity of those self same bigots

this vote was the bigots chance to show they have the majority, they failed

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My little fascist was hammered at the polls, and like other rightwingers he is now whining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bHcrIuKE2w

 

ps, look at his shiny new whitened teeth, as with his shiny new suits - someone has spunked a fair bit of money backing a loser

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4 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

The Tories and Labour have a great deal to worry about.

The Brexit Party isn’t going to go away until a “proper” Brexit has been delivered and - unfortunately for the main parties - they don’t get to choose what constitutes a proper Brexit.

All the time people feel betrayed by the establishment parties, the Brexit Party will be there, eating away at their core votes.

This has been a great night for democracy in the UK.

 

Nobody can tell us what a "proper" brexit is, or has even bothered to in the last 3 years, without resorting to pipe dreams like WTO, alternative arrangements etc. Tell us what the hell you want, tell us how you want to do it and stop dicking the country about.

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