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2 minutes ago, Jools said:

Growth is being lowered, not by Brexit but by manufactured uncertainty that parliament has made -- If ever there was ever a need for evidence that parliamentarians are not interested in the well being of the country it is plainly there to see.

And you Remaniacs calling for a second referendum only want to extend the uncertainty you criticise 🤪

Really?

Uncertainity in the economy is only one factor in what is a clear economic downturn. China's economy is slowing, there is a possibility of US/China trade war and we also have Brexit which if you get your way, Jools, will fracture the majority of UK trade. Uncertainity is minor in comparison.

Fact is there is nothing in Brexit that will remediate these factors. All the Brexiteers are attempting with the line that it is Parliament creating this situation is deflection of accountability from the real culprits. Those who started this with no strategy, plan or tactics to achieve a successful conclusion.

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Brexit is bad for the economy. 

Brexit is bad for the economy. 

Brexit is bad for the economy. 

The economy slows because of Brexit. 

It's everyone else's fault that the economy slows. 

Idiots. 

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41 minutes ago, Herman said:

Brexit is bad for the economy. 

Brexit is bad for the economy. 

Brexit is bad for the economy. 

The economy slows because of Brexit. 

It's everyone else's fault that the economy slows. 

Idiots. 

Brexit is bad for the economy now, immediately after and into the future.

Brexiteers have no idea how to fix this.

Idiots indeed.

 

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Seems to be bad for all those other economies as well.

More likey its got everything to do with the global downturn.

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3 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Seems to be bad for all those other economies as well.

More likey its got everything to do with the global downturn.

Nope, its both.

We were the fastest growing economy in the G20 just before the referendum and dropped steadily down the league table after the vote until we eventually hit rock bottom. Our growth continued to be very feeble well before the global/China downturn hit - that has just made it even worse for us, and everyone else as you rightly point out, but our main cut in growth pre-dates it by a couple of years.

And the worse part is that there is still worse to come both from Brexit (certainly) and the global situation (very possibly) .

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1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Nope, its both.

We were the fastest growing economy in the G20 just before the referendum and dropped steadily down the league table after the vote until we eventually hit rock bottom. Our growth continued to be very feeble well before the global/China downturn hit - that has just made it even worse for us, and everyone else as you rightly point out, but our main cut in growth pre-dates it by a couple of years.

And the really bad news is that there is still worse to come both from Brexit (certainly) and the global situation (very possibly) .

I have absolutely no idea what happened there!

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Duplicate post - sort of!!

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2 hours ago, Van wink said:

Steptoe not too keen to follow the composite motion and the swill of the members.

Democracit Party at its best👍

TalkRADIO have unearthed footage from the Durham Miners Gala in 2010, where Jeremy Corbyn called for the European Union, among a raft of other international organisations to be ‘defeated’.

“They, the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union, they are utterly united in what they want. Utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy, and creating unemployment. Utterly united in that.”

“We will not be silenced by these people. We will win through. We will defeat them” ~ Jeremy Corbyn

 

So Steptoe yearns to destroy the EU, but he also wants to remain in a customs union with them...

Doesn't contradict himself much does he 😜

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23 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Seems to be bad for all those other economies as well.

More likey its got everything to do with the global downturn.

Correct, Ricardo, growth is actually being lowered because global growth is slowing, especially in the Eurozone and UK growth tells us we are actually doing quite well-considering parliamentarians are busying themselves inflicting as much uncertainty as they can via scaremongering and dithering in order to force their interests through.

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12 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Yes indeed, although I'm still not quite sure how I managed that 😀

You Remaniacs do have a habit of repeating yourselves.

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On 08/02/2019 at 20:36, kick it off said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47173445

Christopher Chope is a disgrace of an MP and a disgusting human being. He is literally putting vulnerable children at risk of severe harm with his latest antics. F**ing ****. 

Typical Lefty response and a perfect example of playing the man rather than the ball.

In your loony world, it's far easier to attack a pale, male Tory knight for not engaging in some virtue signalling than it is to go after the perpetrators of this vile crime.

D*ckhead.

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38 minutes ago, ricardo said:

Seems to be bad for all those other economies as well.

More likey its got everything to do with the global downturn.

Keep fooling yourself matey. Even one of your heroes thinks differently.

 

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24 minutes ago, Jools said:

TalkRADIO have unearthed footage from the Durham Miners Gala in 2010, where Jeremy Corbyn called for the European Union, among a raft of other international organisations to be ‘defeated’.

“They, the world’s bankers, International Monetary Fund, European Union, they are utterly united in what they want. Utterly united in deflation, suppressing the economy, and creating unemployment. Utterly united in that.”

“We will not be silenced by these people. We will win through. We will defeat them” ~ Jeremy Corbyn

 

So Steptoe yearns to destroy the EU, but he also wants to remain in a customs union with them...

Doesn't contradict himself much does he 😜

This is on a par with the cold baked beans 'expose'. Desperate stuff from the RWNJ's.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jools said:

Typical Lefty response and a perfect example of playing the man rather than the ball.

In your loony world, it's far easier to attack a pale, male Tory knight for not engaging in some virtue signalling than it is to go after the perpetrators of this vile crime.

D*ckhead.

The bill was intended to make it practically easier to protect girls at risk of this vile crime, not sure how that's "virtue signalling".

Although quite happy to play the man as well, as he's repeatedly demonstrated himself to be the most appalling caricature of a Tory MP (along with fellow **** Philip Davies).

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13 minutes ago, Jools said:

Typical Lefty response and a perfect example of playing the man rather than the ball.

In your loony world, it's far easier to attack a pale, male Tory knight for not engaging in some virtue signalling than it is to go after the perpetrators of this vile crime.

D*ckhead.

Do you even understand what he blocked you thick ****? Got neither the time nor patience for your **** tonight. He blocked a bill that would have allowed authorities extra powers to remove at risk children. There is no grey area here, hes plain wrong and debased in his behaviour.

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Some interesting stories flying around that May is bcoming more inclined towards a no deal Brexit, internal polling showing a clean break to be more popular within the Tory party.

 

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10 minutes ago, kick it off said:

Do you even understand what he blocked you thick ****? Got neither the time nor patience for your **** tonight. He blocked a bill that would have allowed authorities extra powers to remove at risk children. There is no grey area here, hes plain wrong and debased in his behaviour.

I'm not a fan of Chope or his ilk, but he isn't taking a stand against FGM being stopped -- He wants full and proper parliamentary discourse and policy and procedural clarification in order to give the bones of how to identify what constitutes FGM, who it's to be reported to and what the legal consequences will be.

He doesn't want yet another private members bill, which is sieve-like in definition, rushed through that makes it easy to avoid compliance with because it's so f*cking vague.

In other words, he wants parliament and government to do their job, you colossal bell.

Besides that, pray tell me why new legislation would be any more effective than the existing legislation when the problem is the Police and CPS failing to prosecute parents?

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24 minutes ago, Jools said:

Typical Lefty response and a perfect example of playing the man rather than the ball.

In your loony world, it's far easier to attack a pale, male Tory knight for not engaging in some virtue signalling than it is to go after the perpetrators of this vile crime.

D*ckhead.

oh dear, poor hand crank is back to his usual potty mouthed self

loses the argument so resorts to naughty words

perhaps he might start chuntering on about that 'campsite' motion of which he never explained, or even why he could not understand the difference between a motion to the house and a vote on the Withdrawal Bill

bring back 'mad' moy is my suggestion.........or even RTB

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58 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Nope, its both.

We were the fastest growing economy in the G20 just before the referendum and dropped steadily down the league table after the vote until we eventually hit rock bottom. Our growth continued to be very feeble well before the global/China downturn hit - that has just made it even worse for us, and everyone else as you rightly point out, but our main cut in growth pre-dates it by a couple of years.

And the worse part is that there is still worse to come both from Brexit (certainly) and the global situation (very possibly) .

Preliminary stats for 2018 growth CM

US 3% Canada 2.1% UK 1.4% Germany 1.1% France 0.9% Italy 0.1% Japan 0%

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16 minutes ago, Jools said:

I'm not a fan of Chope or his ilk, but he isn't taking a stand against FGM being stopped -- He wants full and proper parliamentary discourse and policy and procedural clarification in order to give the bones of how to identify what constitutes FGM, who it's to be reported to and what the legal consequences will be.

He doesn't want yet another private members bill, which is sieve-like in definition, rushed through that makes it easy to avoid compliance with because it's so f*cking vague.

In other words, he wants parliament and government to do their job, you colossal bell.

Besides that, pray tell me why new legislation would be any more effective than the existing legislation when the problem is the Police and CPS failing to prosecute parents?

I never said he was. Learn to read. I said his behaviour puts vulnerable children at increased risk. Which it does. Never said he was in favour of FGM nor that he was opposed to stopping it. I understand his motive but that doesnt change the fact that him objecting has put children at increased risk. Funny how he failed to oppose two other private member bills on the same day, put forward by his mate Bone isnt it? So does the proper parliamentary procedure only apply to those he isnt in league with?

The prosecution stage is a bit too late for the victims and utterly irrelevant to this. This was increased power to prevent it happening in the first place. If you dont understand something, which you clearly dont, best policy is to keep your ignorant mouth shut i would suggest.

Youre defending the indefensible. Do us all a favour and shut the **** up as youre spouting utter ****.

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13 minutes ago, Van wink said:

Preliminary stats for 2018 growth CM

US 3% Canada 2.1% UK 1.4% Germany 1.1% France 0.9% Italy 0.1% Japan 0%

I'm sure hand crank will be happy to tell us where he found (made up) those figures

In the mean time here are those

of Oct 2018

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

of Jan 2019

http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp-growth.php

 

which you won't be surprised to find do greatly differ to those from hand crank

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8 minutes ago, kick it off said:

I never said he was. Learn to read. I said his behaviour puts vulnerable children at increased risk. Which it does. Never said he was in favour of FGM. I understand his motive but that doesnt change the fact that him objecting has put children at increased risk. Funny how he failed to oppose two other private member bills on the same day, put forward by his mate Bone isnt it? So does the proper parliamentary procedure only apply to those he isnt in league with?

The prosecution stage is a bit too late for the victims and utterly irrelevant to this. This was increased power to prevent it happening in the first place. If you dont understand something, which you clearly dont, best policy is to keep your ignorant mouth shut i would suggest.

Youre defending the indefensible. Do us all a favour and shut the **** up as youre spouting utter ****.

And there children is why entering into a debate with a Lefty is almost as pointless as trying to reason with a Jehovah's Witness.

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WHAT EU WORKERS' RIGHTS?

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© EU Commission

Labour, and even the PM, talk about preserving EU rights – which ones?

Workers’ & women's rights come from UK, not EU

One of the very many myths about the EU is that it has been responsible for the minimum statutory workers' rights enjoyed in the UK today. This is often repeated, particularly by Labour and LibDem pro-Remain politicians.

Questions for Remainer MPs

  • Do Remainer MPs want the UK to sink to the EU’s level?
  • Do they want no minimum wage legislation?
  • Do they want British workers to lose 8 day’s holiday pay?
  • Do they want women to lose 38 weeks’ paid maternity leave?

Last week Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn mentioned the subject of workers' rights again, in his letter to the Prime Minister, demanding “dynamic alignment on rights and protections so that UK standards keep pace with evolving standards across Europe as a minimum”.

Theresa May is still trying to persuade Labour MPs to back her non-Brexit Brexit deal. She has said that the Government is proposing to introduce a draft bill guaranteeing that UK workers’ rights will keep pace with those in the EU.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org looks again at the truth about “EU workers’ rights”

Brexit Facts4EU.Org summary

Workers' and women's rights

1. EU workers’ rights laws are lower than UK’s

  • UK statutory paid holiday entitlement is 28 days, in EU only 20 days
  • National Minimum Wage Act 1998 – there's no EU minimum wage law
  • Maternity leave – UK: 52 weeks, EU: 14 weeks
  • Under EU laws, the British people's rights would decrease

2. UK established workers’ rights long before EU

  • “Protection against ****, race and disability discrimination in the UK pre-dated EU law” (from TUC report)
  • Women’s rights: Equal Pay Act, Abortion Act and Divorce Reform Act were all passed before UK even joined EU
  • **** Discrimination Act, Domestic Violence Act, Employment Protection Act – no EU involvement
  • EU’s Posted Workers Directive means EU workers can be employed in UK for fraction of the cost of UK workers

3. EU healthcare rights are way below UK standards

  • EU has no free healthcare requirement – most people pay for top-up private insurance
  • In France it costs over £25 just for 5 minutes with your GP, paid at the time
  • In many countries you pay, and get only partially reimbursed later
  • With the UK’s NHS, treatment is free at the point of delivery

4. Finally, workers’ rights are only relevant if you have work

  • In the Eurozone, austerity has taken the jobs of millions of workers
  • You’re nearly twice as likely to be out of work in the Eurozone
  • An entire young generation across southern Europe has been devastated by 30-50% unemployment for years

Observations

In the area of workers' and women's rights we've shown above, the UK's statutory arrangements are better than those which would be applicable under EU law.

Remainer misinformation

In Parliament in recent months, swathes of Remainer MPs have stood up many times and trotted out the mantra that the British people had been lied to during the Referendum campaign.

Indeed the British public has been lied to on a systematic and epic scale, but the vast majority of the lies came – and still come - from Remainers. Their continuing claims about workers' and women's rights which we have debunked above are just one small example of this.

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© Official Stronger IN campaign

Relevance to Brexit

The EU is insisting on a "level playing field" as part of the ‘Future Partnership’. In other words it is trying to prevent the UK from operating as an independent country with its own taxation policies and other frameworks which would make the UK a more competitive country than those in the EU.

What could be a more obvious lack of a level playing field than that of UK businesses competing with businesses in the Single Market and Customs Union having a minimum wage 1/5th that of the UK? Or trying to compete with businesses which don’t face costs of higher holiday entitlements, or substantially longer maternity pay?

With a true, clean Brexit the British people and its Government will want to keep exisiting rights, but at least when the UK leaves it will be able to adopt sensible policies in other areas, to help British businesses compete.

Do Remainers want to go backwards?

The UK has chosen, through its elected representatives, to have workers’ rights which go well beyond those applicable under EU law.

It surprises us that Remainer MPs seem to want these workers’ rights rolled back to match the lower standards applicable in the EU....

[ Sources: Hansard | EC Working Time Directive 93/104/EC | TUC report 2016 on Workers’ Rights | EU Commission | Competences between UK and EU Social and Employment Policy (UK Gov’t) | National Minimum Wage Act ] Journalists and politicians can contact us for the full list of links, as usual.

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3 minutes ago, Jools said:

And there children is why entering into a debate with a Lefty is almost as pointless as trying to reason with a Jehovah's Witness.

Usual cop out there hand crank

I'm surprised to didn't claim KIO is an alcoholic living in France

 

ps where is Nightfly and Joanna Grey ?

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5 minutes ago, Herman said:

 

As I pointed out to the angry supply teacher from Sheffield, we already have laws against FGM; they are apparently in need of improvement -- Nodding through a bill without scrutiny is a poor way to improve law - more likely to result in the opposite, it seems to me.

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5 minutes ago, Jools said:

As I pointed out to the angry supply teacher from Sheffield, we already have laws against FGM; they are apparently in need of improvement -- Nodding through a bill without scrutiny is a poor way to improve law - more likely to result in the opposite, it seems to me.

It was the second reading so stop lying.... yet again.

 

where is your mate 'mad' moy ?

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23 minutes ago, Bill said:

I'm sure hand crank will be happy to tell us where he found (made up) those figures

In the mean time here are those

of Oct 2018

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/NGDP_RPCH@WEO/OEMDC/ADVEC/WEOWORLD

of Jan 2019

http://statisticstimes.com/economy/countries-by-projected-gdp-growth.php

 

which you won't be surprised to find do greatly differ to those from hand crank

I don’t make stuff up unlike your good self BS

Dig around hard enough and you will find them....I know you don’t like info that doesn’t support your narrative.

 

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