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13 minutes ago, Len said:

But surely things like high mortgage payments are driving this, creating a downward pressure on prices? I'm sure that mortgage repayments must be a far higher proportion of income compared to say 50 years ago.

Mortgage payments, very high rents, high energy costs. These are all contributors. If a massive chunk of your wages are just going on a roof over your head, then yes, you are going to look to save money from other places.

People keep moaning that the EU needs to reform, but the reality is that this country desperately needs to reform the way it is being run.

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16 minutes ago, Len said:

But surely things like high mortgage payments are driving this, creating a downward pressure on prices? I'm sure that mortgage repayments must be a far higher proportion of income compared to say 50 years ago.

Absolutely true Len. The house price bubble pumped by successive governments is disgusting, it does so much damage - especially to the poorest.

Unfortunately, for those on the escalator (including me) it's incredibly popular.

 

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7 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

It's funny that in recent months every time Farage & JRM speak we get a step close to the thng they don't want.

Let's hope they keep talking. 😀

 

 

Dear Lord, Squit, all you've contributed to this thread is one-liners and though you'll never challenge Tim Vine you are quite comical.

Try staying serious for five minutes and feast your eyes on the following post I copied and pasted from another a forum:

OK so we’ve had the worst-case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between.

So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.

Those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself, think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you and remember this is the worst-case scenario that could happen unless I clearly point out where it will happen by either a date or other factor:

KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.

2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.

3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.

4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.

5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK

6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.

7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals

8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs

9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas

10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights

11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights

12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty

13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation

14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent

15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy

16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them

17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth

18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect

19: The UK loses control of its judicial system

20: The UK loses control of its international policy

21: The UK loses full control of its national policy

22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.

23: The UK loses control of its space exploration programme

24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction

25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty

26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state

2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum levels ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.

2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.

2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)

2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%

2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double

2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.

2.6; GP’s will become triage centres

2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only

2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence

2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine

2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things

2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it

2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually

2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%

2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence

2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually

2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing

3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%.

4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue.

5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total.

Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.

Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.

Remainers keep on bleating that the people didn’t know all of the facts --- If that’s the case, then why are they failing to tell the people the downside of remaining a member of the EU?

 

Now then, Squit & Remaniacs, I'm sure you will agree, the scenarios above are pretty horrifying -- "But what about the worst case scenarios of Brexit?" I hear you cry...

That's your job, Remaniacs -- Fire away.

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12 hours ago, Jools said:

Dear Lord, Squit, all you've contributed to this thread is one-liners and though you'll never challenge Tim Vine you are quite comical.

Try staying serious for five minutes and feast your eyes on the following post I copied and pasted from another a forum:

OK so we’ve had the worst-case scenario for leaving the EU given to us by numerous outlets ranging from the Bank of England to the spoiled prepubescent acting momentum supporter and everyone in-between.

So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.

Those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself, think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you and remember this is the worst-case scenario that could happen unless I clearly point out where it will happen by either a date or other factor:

KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

1: The UK along with all existing members of the EU lose their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with no abstentions or veto’s being allowed.

2: All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with no exceptions or veto’s.

3: All member states must adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.

4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.

5: The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK

6: The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today.

7: The UK will NOT be able to make its own trade deals

8: The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade tariffs

9 The UK will NOT be able to set its own trade quotas

10: The UK loses control of its fishing rights

11: The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights

12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty

13: The UK loses control of its planning legislation

14: The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent

15: The UK loses full control of its taxation policy

16: The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them

17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth

18: The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.; Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar ect

19: The UK loses control of its judicial system

20: The UK loses control of its international policy

21: The UK loses full control of its national policy

22: The UK loses its right to call itself a nation in its own right.

23: The UK loses control of its space exploration programme

24: The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction

25: The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty

26: The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020

PROBABLE WORST-CASE OUTCOMES

1: The UK will become nothing more than a vassal protectorate state

2: With the continuation of freedom of movement, the population of the UK will continue to grow at a rate higher than pre-referendum levels ranging between 400,000 to 675,000 per annum.

2.1; Which will result in not just wage suppression but even wage depression.

2.2; More than 500,000 new homes to be built annually (We are currently only managing 125,000)

2.3; House prices and rents will skyrocket annually by 23%

2.4; Class sizes in schools would have to increase by 50% if not even double

2.5; The NHS will become solely an emergency service of care provider as they would no longer be able to cope with the numbers of people needing care other than those of emergency.

2.6; GP’s will become triage centres

2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only

2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence

2.9; The Court system becomes fully overrun to the point extreme cases only being heard and the rest being given an automatic fine

2.10; Emergency services collapsing for not being able to cope with the scale of things

2.11; Social care becoming solely private social care for those who can afford it

2.12; Homelessness to increase by over 28% annually

2.13; Unemployment to increase annually by 37%

2.14; The Benefit system to collapse fully to the point of the return of soup kitchens and even workhouse existence

2.15; Crime to increase by over 59% annually

2.16; Shanty towns to become the norm standard of housing

3: Because the UK would no longer be able to make its own trade deals, nor control its tariffs or quotas, Food prices would increase by over 25% and the cost of living would go up by over 39%.

4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue.

5: Because the UK will become a member state its percentage share of the vote on any new laws, regulations, treaties and everything else is at current member numbers 3.57% of the vote. That’s right folks the UK say in the EU if it was to remain a member is 3.57% total.

Everything I have put thus far is just the very extreme tip of the iceberg that is ready to sink the UK if we remain a member of the EU.

Everything is verifiable by the sources I have already outlined above and is something the EU propaganda machine as well as our very own government are not telling you.

Remainers keep on bleating that the people didn’t know all of the facts --- If that’s the case, then why are they failing to tell the people the downside of remaining a member of the EU?

 

Now then, Squit & Remaniacs, I'm sure you will agree, the scenarios above are pretty horrifying -- "But what about the worst case scenarios of Brexit?" I hear you cry...

That's your job, Remaniacs -- Fire away.

 

12 hours ago, Jools said:

" Try staying serious for five minutes and feast your eyes on the following post I copied and pasted from another a forum "

One for glue sniffers I suspect.

2.7; Public transport will become permit holders use only.

So the same as it is now , where you must have a ticket or free travel pass. No change.

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" 2.8; Only those that did a serious crime namely murder will be given a custodial sentence "

 

And the country will be reduced to speaking pidgin English

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12 hours ago, Jools said:

So, I am now going to tell you the worst-case scenario of remaining in the EU based on actual known factors and figures, sourced from the public records of the UK Government, the EU Parliament, The Bank of England, the CBI, Migration watch, The Stock exchanges around the world, the IMF, and the UN.

Those of you who think that this little rant is a tin foil hat moment by myself, think again and go and fully research and cross reference what I am about to tell you.

KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

4: The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen the move is fully cancelled but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.

 

 

I assume this is a reference to the planned merger of the London Stock Exchange and Deutsche Boerse? Which was already unravelling before the EU ruled against it in March 2017? I am not so much in the loop as I used to be but I haven't heard it could be back on.

But in any event as I understand it this tinfoil-hat-wearing ranter has it completely back to front. When the merger was mooted it was assumed the HQ would be in London, but then post the referendum  influential voices in Gemany said that if Brexit then happened it would be absurd for the HQ to be outside the EU, and so should move to Frankfurt.

So the supposed danger of the LSE leaving the UK was not, as this idiot has it, if the UK Remained but if it Brexited. I hope that is centrist and fence-stting enough of me, Jools.

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13 hours ago, Jools said:

 

 

12: The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty

 

 

don´t think this one is right either

though it can be argued that we have lost control of our border at Dover and Cheriton, as these are controlled by the French (in exchange for our control in Calais). 

juxtaposed borders

 

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KNOWN OUTCOMES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN AGREED AS TRUE BY ALL SIDES:

17: The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealth

 

not sure when that was agreed and how it would be implemented, or verified - but then this was the sort of guff the brexiteers swallowed for decades before the referendim

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"4: Because the UK would lose its oil and gas rights it would also lose the revenue from taxation on them, resulting in a loss of over 600 billion per year in taxation revenue."

This is probably the worst stinker out of the whole lot. Not just slightly out, which you could forgive, but stratospherically out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-44660336

https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend-by-spend/oil-and-gas-revenues/

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This cutting and pasting lark is fun. I expect Jools to applaud these sentiments. 😀

Anthony MiddletonVerified account @antmiddleton

Anthony Middleton Retweeted

A ‘no deal’ for our country would actually be a blessing in disguise. It would force us into hardship and suffering which would unite & bring us together, bringing back British values of loyalty and a sense of community! Extreme change is needed! #nodeal #suffertogether https://twitter.com/titanic_barbell/status/1073659150108934145 

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34 minutes ago, Herman said:

"23: The UK loses control of its space exploration programme"

 

What?

While it is amusing to mock idiot brexiteers, Jools brings us a disturbing insight into the insanity that is their world - as this guff clearly demonstrates

it is a measure of the level of understanding that is passed around on dubious websites

stuff that is regularly used to defend and justify their totally absurd and illogical stance

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I think most are too occupied  laughing at the absurd guff you posted

A sort of Baldrick style cunning plan in it's ignorance of the realities of the EU

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2 minutes ago, Bill said:

I think most are too occupied  laughing at the absurd guff you posted

A sort of Baldrick style cunning plan in it's ignorance of the realities of the EU

Still here then Bill, talking Oddle Poddle as usual......some things never change eh?

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7 minutes ago, Jools said:

In the meantime the petition for ‘No Deal’ Brexit overtakes petition for second referendum.



https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963 👍

If ever there was a need for an example of just how stupid brexiteers are then normal folk need look no further than this quote from the above petition

" The EU border in Ireland to be managed simply by having a dual Euro / pound currency as legal tender in both the North and South. Exports to the South would be dealt with in Euro and vice versa when importing to the North. Rates fixed at time of the deal.

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Welcome back, Van Wink 👍

Billock, has run out of 'Project Fear' consequences,

And he still hasn't told us what a Labour Brexit would look like.

Edited by Jools

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nor have you told us what a Jewish pork pie would look like either

....bt then you have dodged defending the ludicrous claims you posted up that other posters ripped apart

 

ps what have you done with poor 'mad' moy ?

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8 minutes ago, Jools said:

Welcome back, Van Wink 👍

Billock, has run out of 'Project Fear' consequences,

And he still hasn't told us what a Labour Brexit would look like.

Well he has enough time on his hands, the hours he spends on here every day, and lets face it he's not overburdened by the weight of his intellect. 

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