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5 hours ago, sonyc said:

I beleive people associated with Trump will go through some kind of post-Trump grieving process of sorts. A time of reflection and deep embarrassment as folk will think of their roles. Trump has bullied his way through his presidency. Any disagreement has been countered with dismissal. Like a national form of coercive control. Think of the behaviour of abusers...it's the same method. It will be seen as one of the most shameful periods in US history. As such it may take lots of navel gazing. Maybe the reports about what has gone on may take some time to come out?

An unpleasant chapter in US history. And lots of people have supported it, some actively.

Indeed, but there will be no period of reflection as long as Fox News and AON and Facebook are allowed to promote the daily dose of poison into the American political bloodstream. Unless Trump is convicted and goes to jail, there will be no reckoning for his actions unfortunately. Fact is he has no income stream he can rely on post-presidency other than exploiting the 72 million who voted for him with unhinged grievance just as Fox has done for the past 20 years. And the Republican Party seems perfectly OK with this; their leadership had two opportunities this year to ditch him and rejected that move both times. 

 

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18 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Indeed, but there will be no period of reflection as long as Fox News and AON and Facebook are allowed to promote the daily dose of poison into the American political bloodstream. Unless Trump is convicted and goes to jail, there will be no reckoning for his actions unfortunately. Fact is he has no income stream he can rely on post-presidency other than exploiting the 72 million who voted for him with unhinged grievance just as Fox has done for the past 20 years. And the Republican Party seems perfectly OK with this; their leadership had two opportunities this year to ditch him and rejected that move both times. 

 

Well that is a sad state of affairs indeed Surfer. It would make for a great opportunity to re-establish just what are American values. 

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As the President has so much leeway in foreign affairs, I believe the external perception will quickly become "America is back". We will rejoin the Paris climate agreement, reenforce commitment to NATO, end the trade and tariff wars, and recall every nut case ambassador that Trump appointed. Unfortunately the real work needed is within the US, and there we have a major problems with 24/7 propaganda channels hiding behind the skirts of the 1st Amendment, unregulated "militia" hiding behind the skirts of the 2nd Amendment, and vote suppression hiding behind the skirts of the 11th Amendment. Rooting that out will require the co-operation of Republican Party leadership and the Courts, and I do not see any evidence at this point in time they have any interest in that. 

Time will tell. But at least we stopped the full bore heater-skelter into fascism and have given ourselves a chance. Hope we take it. 

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Nice, and it looks like someone forgot to put on his makeup and hair dye this afternoon. 

 

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All the utterly specious claims of voter fraud are collapsing day-by-day. I don't think one has successfully passed through the courts yet. Now the law firm leading the Trump litigation in Pennsylvania has dropped it's case:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/law-firm-drops-trump-s-pennsylvania-lawsuit-days-after-legal-team-in-arizona-did-the-same/ar-BB1aZesp?ocid=msedgdhp

The law firm leading the Trump campaign’s post-election litigation in Pennsylvania has withdrawn from the federal lawsuit it filed earlier this week.

On Monday, Porter Wright Morris & Arthur filed a lawsuit in the Federal District Court for the Middle District of Pennsylvania, in which it argued that there had been “irregularities” in ballots submitted in the state that President-elect Joe Biden won.

In a court filing on Friday, Porter Wright announced that the “plaintiffs and Porter Wright have reached a mutual agreement that plaintiffs will be best served if Porter Wright withdraws.”

 

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7 hours ago, Surfer said:

Indeed, but there will be no period of reflection as long as Fox News and AON and Facebook are allowed to promote the daily dose of poison into the American political bloodstream. Unless Trump is convicted and goes to jail, there will be no reckoning for his actions unfortunately. Fact is he has no income stream he can rely on post-presidency other than exploiting the 72 million who voted for him with unhinged grievance just as Fox has done for the past 20 years. And the Republican Party seems perfectly OK with this; their leadership had two opportunities this year to ditch him and rejected that move both times. 

 

You could spend a couple of minutes thinking about why 72 million (which I think I heard is the highest ever vote for a losing candidate (assuming he lost)) felt a grievance in the first place. You describe this grievance as unhinged. Personally, when ordinary workers in industries such as manufacturing, agriculture and fossil fuel extraction are seeing their jobs disappear to China or disappear to to signing up for international protocols that destroys American jobs but allow similar jobs to continue in places like Russia and China, then maybe those grievances are not so much unhinged as justified.  And when those self-same workers are finding, at worst, their jobs are being taken over by illegal immigrants and other abusing the system that controls right of entry to the country, or at bet, depressing the wage rates through increased competition for those few jobs remaining then not only do they have justified grievances but are understandably down right angry.

Don't kid yourself that people voted for Biden because they wanted his socialist policies or because they want the borders opened up to more illegal immigration. If Trump lost it was to an invisible microbe. Without Covid, Trump would be back as President with an increased majority. But the American people have shot themselves in the foot because the next four years will see more violence, more rioting, more out of control cities like Portland and a switch of businesses away from the USA, a trend that Trump successfully reversed. 

Well I hope your new masters, BLM and Antifa treat you well, Surfer. You are going to need all the luck you can get.

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39 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

You could spend a couple of minutes thinking about why 72 million (which I think I heard is the highest ever vote for a losing candidate (assuming he lost)) felt a grievance in the first place. You describe this grievance as unhinged. Personally, when ordinary workers in industries such as manufacturing, agriculture and fossil fuel extraction are seeing their jobs disappear to China or disappear to to signing up for international protocols that destroys American jobs but allow similar jobs to continue in places like Russia and China, then maybe those grievances are not so much unhinged as justified.  And when those self-same workers are finding, at worst, their jobs are being taken over by illegal immigrants and other abusing the system that controls right of entry to the country, or at bet, depressing the wage rates through increased competition for those few jobs remaining then not only do they have justified grievances but are understandably down right angry.

Don't kid yourself that people voted for Biden because they wanted his socialist policies or because they want the borders opened up to more illegal immigration. If Trump lost it was to an invisible microbe. Without Covid, Trump would be back as President with an increased majority. But the American people have shot themselves in the foot because the next four years will see more violence, more rioting, more out of control cities like Portland and a switch of businesses away from the USA, a trend that Trump successfully reversed. 

Well I hope your new masters, BLM and Antifa treat you well, Surfer. You are going to need all the luck you can get.

No I didn't describe the grievance as unhinged. I described the President's and Fox New's exploitation of the original grievance as unhinged. Just as there was a grievance with the EU that has led in turn to the unhinged execution of Brexit as a no-deal disaster.

The de-industrializaion of the American mid-west is a very real problem, but it was enabled by the backers of the Republican Party, just as de-industrialization of the UK is a very real problem, enabled by the Conservative party, and Brexit as a "solution" to that problem will just make things worse.

Those manufacturing plants that stayed have automated - partly because of the absurdly high cost of US medical care - which companies have to absorb as there is no national health care system - and agricultural jobs are declining as small farms are going bankrupt as trade wars and tax policy rewards agri-business. IN energy there are more jobs created in renewable energy project than in fossil fuels. So sorry you are wrong. 

"Socialism" is a word that Americans have no understanding of. It's bandied about by Republicans every four years. Biden is about as middle of the road as you can get and the "left wing" of the Democratic Party is about as far left as the Liberals in the UK. 

Jobs are not being taken over by immigrants. If the factory no longer exists because Republican / Tory tax policy encouraged the factory to relocate to Mexico or China or Poland, there are no jobs to take are there?

Wage depression by immigrants has been disproven time and again. Breaking up Unions much more relevant. 

Trump was able to prove with his response to the Virus that despite a skill in re-branding everybody else's accomplishments as his own - the Obama/Biden economy, NATFA trade agreement, McConnell's judicial appointments - when it came to him leading, he failed. And in the process proved his mendacity, corruption and callousness - and how he was able to bankrupt casinos - so yes it probably did cost him the election.

If there is rioting it will come from fascist groups like the Proud Boys - already itching for a fight in Washington DC on Saturday. 

Trump has failed miserably to bring any businesses back to the USA. Almost every claim that he has made about that has been proven to be a lie. No new car factories in Michigan, no new steel mills in Pennsylvania, no new mines in Kentucky or West Virginia. Just a massive con job for the past four years of his "leadership"

 

Overall your post is a massive fail, just like Great Leader Trumpski, the communist lover.  Putin ❤️ Xi ❤️ Kim ❤️

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Surfer said:

No I didn't describe the grievance as unhinged. I described the President's and Fox New's exploitation of the original grievance as unhinged. Just as there was a grievance with the EU that has led in turn to the unhinged execution of Brexit as a no-deal disaster.

The de-industrializaion of the American mid-west is a very real problem, but it was enabled by the backers of the Republican Party, just as de-industrialization of the UK is a very real problem, enabled by the Conservative party, and Brexit as a "solution" to that problem will just make things worse.

"Socialism" is a word that Americans have no understanding of. It's bandied about by Republicans every four years. Biden is about as middle of the road as you can get and the "left wing" of the Democratic Party is about as far left as the Liberals in the UK. 

Jobs are not being taken over by immigrants. If the factory no longer exists because Republican / Tory tax policy encouraged the factory to relocate to Mexico or China or Poland, there are no jobs to take are there?

Wage depression by immigrants has been disproven time and again. Breaking up Unions much more relevant. 

If there is rioting it will come from RWNJ outfits like the Proud Boys - already itching for a fight in Washington DC on Saturday. 

Trump has failed miserably to bring any businesses back to the USA. Almost every claim that he has made about that has been proven to be a lie. 

 

Your post is just one massive fail. Just like Great Leader Trumpski. The communist lover.  Putin ❤️ Xi ❤️ Kim ❤️

 

 

But you most certainly did describe Trump voters as 'voting with unhinged grievance' that is as clear as daylight. Your reference to the media was to make the point there will be 'no period of reflection'  a completely different point altogether.

Another incorrect fact you mis-state is to claim that factories no longer exist in the US due to Republican tax policies when you are fully aware that factories actually returned to America as a result of sanctions that Trump brought against countries such as China.

And although this thread is not about the UK, most of the factories that left this country have gone to EU countries due to EU funding those companies to move. The irony being that we in the UK have been paying our taxes to fund the EU to remove our industries. Well, thank goodness we have hopefully stopped that little lark.

And while undoubtably 'socialism' is something that Republicans bring up every four years, I will remind you that it is a word on the lips of many Democrats such AOC and Bernie Sanders on a daily basis. Socialism is now a real threat to the US as it is the the UK.

There has been very little violence from the right - which I would denounce anyway. But violence from BLM and Antifa is becoming a way of life in parts of the US. How more more needs to burn down before you accept the truth?

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RTB - good news,  I think I found someone who shares your perspective on the election. Even Devin Nunes can't get a word in as Lou shows his full distain and ignorance of how elections work.

 

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8 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

But you most certainly did describe Trump voters as 'voting with unhinged grievance' that is as clear as daylight.

No, I said  "Fact is he has no income stream he can rely on post-presidency other than exploiting the 72 million who voted for him with unhinged grievance just as Fox has done for the past 20 years." i.e. Trump and Fox exploit those voters via a constant message stream of unhinged grievance. 

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11 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Another incorrect fact you mis-state is to claim that factories no longer exist in the US due to Republican tax policies when you are fully aware that factories actually returned to America as a result of sanctions that Trump brought against countries such as China.

No, I did't say that. There is still a very significant manufacturing sector in America, however it is very clear that people like Republican Presidential candidate Mitt Romney and other vulture capitalists were very active in closing American factories and sending them to China and Mexico. As for sanctions against China, that has decimated the agriculture sector but no, it hasn't brought factories back. If there has been relocation from China it has been to lower cost Asian countries like Vietnam. 

The following reshored numbers show just what a pathetic result of these policies has been... if it was hundreds of thousand O.K... but is isn't. 

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19 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

And while undoubtably 'socialism' is something that Republicans bring up every four years, I will remind you that it is a word on the lips of many Democrats such AOC and Bernie Sanders on a daily basis. Socialism is now a real threat to the US as it is the the UK.

Bernie Sanders isn't even a member of the Democratic Party .... and no Socialism isn't a threat to the US or UK - what do you think they are proposing to do anyway - establish a national health system, create an equitable tax system, raise the minimum wage, ensure polluting companies pay for any clean ups, require voting systems to be updated so voters cannot be disenfranchised on a whim? 

Shocking isn't it?

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23 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

There has been very little violence from the right - which I would denounce anyway. But violence from BLM and Antifa is becoming a way of life in parts of the US. How more more needs to burn down before you accept the truth?

Bless. Open your eyes and turn off propaganda channel Fox News, the FBI says exactly the opposite. 

Trump and his ilk want to paint that picture,  but life in our cities is very peaceful and fine thank you. 

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Do you have any more Fox / AON/ Breitbart talking points to be demolished, or are you done now? 

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Remind you of anyone?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/new-alabama-senator-struggles-with-basic-wwii-history-and-says-us-fought-socialism-and-communism/ar-BB1aZVR5?ocid=msedgntp

New Alabama senator struggles with basic WWII history and says US fought ‘socialism and communism’

Tommy Tuberville, the incoming Republican senator from Alabama, doubled down on his erroneous grasp of World War II history in comments on Thursday, telling a news site his father, a US soldier, fought to “free Europe of socialism.”

Though the full name of the Nazis was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, they were fascists, not socialists. And the Soviet Union, a US ally during the war, was communist.

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1 hour ago, Surfer said:

Trump was able to prove with his response to the Virus that despite a skill in re-branding everybody else's accomplishments as his own - the Obama/Biden economy, NATFA trade agreement, McConnell's judicial appointments - when it came to him leading, he failed. And in the process proved his mendacity, corruption and callousness - and how he was able to bankrupt casinos - so yes it probably did cost him the election.

The idea that if it hadn't been for the pandemic Trump would have been re-elected skates over the truth, which is that it was indeed his complete - and deliberate - failure of leadership that lost him the election. If he had  been open with the American people from the start and told them how serious it was, and prioritised beating the virus, he would have got credit for that, and might now have been looking forward to four more years in the White House.

Instead he decided what would get him re-elected was keeping the country as open as possible, so he could boast about the economy, while blaming the state governors for the carnage he knew would result. And ended up with the worst of all worlds from his point of view of view. The economy still cratered and he rightly got blamed for countless unnecessary deaths.

I won't repeat it all here now, but as posted a few days back Kushner told Bob Woodward back in April this was the cold-blooded plan. That the White House's guidance for states to reopen amid the surging COVID-19 outbreak was “almost like Trump getting the country back from the doctors...he’s going to own the open-up.

''The opening is going to be very popular. People want this country open. But if it opens in the wrong way, the question will be, did the governors follow the guidelines we set out or not?” Kushner said Trump would own the economic message of the opening but the states would bear the public-health burden and have to “own the testing''. In other words Trump would blame them for the deaths, and that is exactly what he did. But enough voters saw through the lie.

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If ever there was an admission that the games over it has to be this.

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/total-landscaping-trump-has-reportedly-put-giuliani-in-charge-of-all-campaign-lawsuits/

Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor and co-star of Borat Subsequent Moviefilm, is apparently being put in charge of President Donald Trump’s campaign lawsuits challenging the results in several states.

 

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23 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

If ever there was an admission that the games over it has to be this.

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/total-landscaping-trump-has-reportedly-put-giuliani-in-charge-of-all-campaign-lawsuits/

Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor and co-star of Borat Subsequent Moviefilm, is apparently being put in charge of President Donald Trump’s campaign lawsuits challenging the results in several states.

 

Happy days! Let's hope he puts him in charge of defending all the future criminal prosecutions too. Then he can put him in charge of the cell cleaning rota.

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25 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Happy days! Let's hope he puts him in charge of defending all the future criminal prosecutions too. Then he can put him in charge of the cell cleaning rota.

Chief Soap Holder.😀

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11 hours ago, horsefly said:

Remind you of anyone?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/new-alabama-senator-struggles-with-basic-wwii-history-and-says-us-fought-socialism-and-communism/ar-BB1aZVR5?ocid=msedgntp

New Alabama senator struggles with basic WWII history and says US fought ‘socialism and communism’

Tommy Tuberville, the incoming Republican senator from Alabama, doubled down on his erroneous grasp of World War II history in comments on Thursday, telling a news site his father, a US soldier, fought to “free Europe of socialism.”

Though the full name of the Nazis was the National Socialist German Workers’ Party, they were fascists, not socialists. And the Soviet Union, a US ally during the war, was communist.

Of course he is a moron, for that reason, as is anyone who claims the Nazis were socialists, but the end of the war saw the UK elect a government that while not purely socialist brought in some crucial socialist policies, such as the NHS.

And that became a model for much of western Europe in the rebuilding that went on, with governments, of the centre-right as well as the centre-left, incorporating socialist policies. Far from the war freeing Europe of socialism, the lessons people took from the carnage and the destruction led to it becoming part of the political fabric.

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