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I concur that PR intros "slates" of candidates which may not be ideal. But at least for Parliamentary elections, you could apply the concept of transferable votes. This is where voters in a constituency have the option on their ballot paper to identify a preference for candidates by ranking one, two or all of the candidates. When the polls close the votes are counted and if no candidate has more than 50%, the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated and their votes are relocate based on the expressed preferences to the other candidates. Repeat the process until one candidate has achieved more than 50%.

Given computer scanning of votes its trivial to crush the numbers to see who wins under such a scheme, and yes there is still a paper trail to do manual recounts. Of course you'd need to educate the voters but that is not a unique problem with the scheme. 

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18 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

Funnily enough, I too think Trump will quit before November citing the reasons in the  article, ie his job is done and he'll hand over to a younger candidate (which he will want to handpick)

Like his son or son in law? Surely no.one would be dumb enough to fall for that...

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On 30/07/2020 at 07:37, Surfer said:

Oh it's much worse than that in the US. See we let the State governments set the boundaries for the Congressional Districts every 10 years. Which means a party in power, can draw the lines to advantage their own party's candidates. So not only a first past the post system but also one where you run a computer program to see how you can move votes around so a 48 - 52 vote split across a State might result in a 70 - 30 seat result in State and Congressional representation. 

And one other thing. In the UK we call an election, and once the results are in the government changes hands. In fact the national government at least is suspended during the campaign too, and a new one is seated very quickly after the election. Not in the US.

Here we have an election on the first Tuesday in November - every two years except for the presidential election which is every four. The national and state governments in power before the election stay in power during the election. And they also stay in power AFTER the election, typically until the 3rd week of January, which means a government or president losing their election has at least 60 days to mess up the agenda of the incoming government or president. The transfer of power system relies on "honour" not to do that, but guess what is in short supply right now.... 😞 

 

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49 minutes ago, Surfer said:

And one other thing. In the UK we call an election, and once the results are in the government changes hands. In fact the national government at least is suspended during the campaign too, and a new one is seated very quickly after the election. Not in the US.

Here we have an election on the first Tuesday in November - every two years except for the presidential election which is every four. The national and state governments in power before the election stay in power during the election. And they also stay in power AFTER the election, typically until the 3rd week of January, which means a government or president losing their election has at least 60 days to mess up the agenda of the incoming government or president. The transfer of power system relies on "honour" not to do that, but guess what is in short supply right now.... 😞 

 

Yes, I've no idea what the origins of that are but it has always seemed an extremely strange way to carry on to me.

I know some might think that in the UK we change governments with almost unseemly haste after an election. But although I've said many times on here how useless I think our electoral and parliamentary system is, nevertheless that is one thing I think we have got right - as soon as an election result is confirmed it should be out with the old and in with the new, can see no justification for anything else.

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The govenment might be out but the vast civil service is still there. They carry on running things no matter what.

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6 hours ago, Surfer said:

. In the UK we call an election, and once the results are in the government changes hands. In fact the national government at least is suspended during the campaign too, and a new one is seated very quickly after the election.

Not actually correct

While the legislative is disbanded and an MP is no longer an MP - the executive (government0 remains in place - those being ministers, in charge of departments (civil service).

It is only when there can be seen a clear decision by the ballot (GE) that the PM and subsequently) ministers resign Which is often the morning after the vote.

But even there is is instant, and during the four week election period the governments actions are restricted, by convention, and so they are merely 'keeping shop' until a new PM is appointed

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On 31/07/2020 at 14:47, The Raptor said:

Like his son or son in law? Surely no.one would be dumb enough to fall for that...

Well, that's the other side of the argument that he won't resign as he wants to create a dynasty. And I think it more likely that his daughter would be the candidate. But I can also see a scenario where he wants out

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Posted (edited)

He clearly wants Ivanka to be his successor. Her husband Jarred is just “a useful idiot” to use an old Russian phrase. 

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Oh very droll Jools. Trying to distract from the Republicans slashing aid to unemployed workers so that they can give even more billions of $ to military contractors are we? 

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13 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Oh very droll Jools. Trying to distract from the Republicans slashing aid to unemployed workers so that they can give even more billions of $ to military contractors are we? 

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 Naturally you miss out the most important parts of this story, Surfer. What you refer to is temporary unemployment benefit which expires in a few days time. This payment has been made because states have been tardy in rolling out state programs that would pay unemployed 70% of their salaries before they lost their job. The proposals are part of a $1 trillion relief bill due to corona virus. The $200 is in addition to whatever the unemployed is already receiving from the state. The $600 benefit saw some workers receiving more in income staying at home than from employment. There is no linkage between these benefits and payments to military contractors. You made that up.

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Oh nice try RTB. The average unemployment payment - paid by the States -  is $200 per week for 12 weeks. It’s intended to help workers bridge between jobs. The pandemic has destroyed tens of millions of jobs and, unlike the  UK, the US has no furlough program with the government picking up 80% and the employer 20%. This $600 per week top up is in effect in place of that. 

So cue the usual “workers are lazy” thinking from the party of big business, let’s cut the payment by 2/3 as some of the lowest paid workers were making more than when working for minimum wage. Says a lot about their ideas of what minimum wage should be .....

And yes in the proposals there was money for the Air Force to buy more F35 jets and almost $2B for a new FBI building.

The Democrat led House passed their own $3T version of this legislation 6 weeks ago, as usual the Repubs wait until the last minute to play the extortion game as at the end of the day - THEY JUST DON’T CARE. 

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oh dear, the orange- utan failed to muster the 10,000 expected to meet him, and hear his words of stupidity on Friday

 

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it's over... all bar the trial

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Biden in audience at dementia rally:


Cheerleader ~ "What do we want?"

Biden ~ "A cure for dementia!"

Cheerleader ~ "When do we want it?"

Biden ~ "Want what?"

 

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Just now, Jools said:

Biden in audience at dementia rally:


Cheerleader ~ "What do we want?"

Biden ~ "A cure for dementia!"

Cheerleader ~ "When do we want it?"

Biden ~ "Want what?"

 

🙃

given that you told us you were in your early 70's

I would be careful about memory loss

you might even forget who else you log in as 🤣

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21 hours ago, Surfer said:

Oh very droll Jools. Trying to distract from the Republicans slashing aid to unemployed workers so that they can give even more billions of $ to military contractors are we? 

Helps not to just read headlines Surfer.

The $600 was the additional money paid to the unemployed during lockdown. Reducing this boost to $200 is similar to our plans to reduce furlough payments.

It is on top of the normal welfare check.

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4 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Helps not to just read headlines Surfer.

The $600 was the additional money paid to the unemployed during lockdown. Reducing this boost to $200 is similar to our plans to reduce furlough payments.

It is on top of the normal welfare check.

Reducing it to $200 from $600 is a $400 a WEEK reduction in income for those who's job does not exist because of the virus. So what are those people supposed to do - go back to work to a job that does not exist? Unlike Europe and even the UK, the US is in the middle of rapid spread because the Federal Government - read Trump, Fox News and idiot Republican politicians - have taken no responsibility for managing the public health crisis and the resultant economic crisis.

So if millions of people don't get the $400 per week, that is millions x $400 per week that is not circulating in the US economy. The average "welfare check" is about $100 in the middle of the country and $200 on the coasts. Pathetically small amounts. But it's O.K if you still have your executive job I guess. Yet another case of I'm alright jack? 

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On 01/08/2020 at 15:10, Bill said:

oh dear, the orange- utan failed to muster the 10,000 expected to meet him, and hear his words of stupidity on Friday

it's over... all bar the trial

Ah but Bill you missed the posting the President's PR team gave to the press - "fake news" in all it's glory.....

 

Trump's crowds .jpg

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Joe Biden stutters - get over it. He always has.

Donald Trump sets his thugs on women.... and this is why he is going lose, despite what his Republican allies do.

 

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11 hours ago, Surfer said:

Reducing it to $200 from $600 is a $400 a WEEK reduction in income for those who's job does not exist because of the virus. So what are those people supposed to do - go back to work to a job that does not exist? Unlike Europe and even the UK, the US is in the middle of rapid spread because the Federal Government - read Trump, Fox News and idiot Republican politicians - have taken no responsibility for managing the public health crisis and the resultant economic crisis.

So if millions of people don't get the $400 per week, that is millions x $400 per week that is not circulating in the US economy. The average "welfare check" is about $100 in the middle of the country and $200 on the coasts. Pathetically small amounts. But it's O.K if you still have your executive job I guess. Yet another case of I'm alright jack? 

The bit in bold is an utterly bizarre comment. What on earth does my employment status in the UK have to do with US unemployment.

It was always obvious that this was an emergency measure similar to our furlough scheme. The key difference being that our furlough scheme saw people technically remain employed (and then either return to their jobs or become unemployed), in the US alternative they would become technically unemployed (and then either remain unemployed or return to their jobs).

Do you live in a fantasy land where $600 a week could continue indefinitely, that's $31,200 a year for being unemployed, almost exactly the same as the US median salary for those in full-time employment before you even consider the normal welfare payment (which averages $400 a month I believe). Keeping the scheme would make it financially beneficial to not work. 

As for throwing around figures like $2bn for an FBI headquarters, a quick google shows that this has been on the cards since December 2016. Do one with your fake news!

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how strange, a poster rarely seen in these parts should pick up an argument using exactly the same line of defence as a previous (and now absent) poster

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8 minutes ago, Bill said:

how strange, a poster rarely seen in these parts should pick up an argument using exactly the same line of defence as a previous (and now absent) poster

Sounds like something to talk to your psychologist about. 

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13 hours ago, Surfer said:

Ah but Bill you missed the posting the President's PR team gave to the press - "fake news" in all it's glory.....

 

Trump's crowds .jpg

Bit like faking pictures with David Bowie

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I wonder if Trump attended a Fleetwood Mac concert in the late sixties

..... it would make him around the same age as Jools 😊

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4 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

The bit in bold is an utterly bizarre comment. What on earth does my employment status in the UK have to do with US unemployment.

As for throwing around figures like $2bn for an FBI headquarters, a quick google shows that this has been on the cards since December 2016. Do one with your fake news!

My apologies, maybe I should have written “their” not “your” it was not aimed at you. Just a description of the Republican Party attitude.

Two things on the FBI building - these are Coronavirus relief negotiations, what has that got to do with it? And the backstory is not just the $, it’s the fact the President wants to refurbish the existing building so it does not become a hotel to compete with his own.

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6 hours ago, Surfer said:

My apologies, maybe I should have written “their” not “your” it was not aimed at you. Just a description of the Republican Party attitude.

Two things on the FBI building - these are Coronavirus relief negotiations, what has that got to do with it? And the backstory is not just the $, it’s the fact the President wants to refurbish the existing building so it does not become a hotel to compete with his own.

Everybody knows Donald Trump is an absolute lunatic and I can't wait for Joe Biden to thrash him. 

But the problem with your criticism of ending or reducing the special relief for unemployment on the basis of the government funding other projects, is that you may be failing to consider that people need to be employed to carry those projects through to completion.

Is it better to pay a builder $600 a week to do nothing or $800 a week to build an FBI headquarters. I would argue that in times of unemployment that is precisely when you should invest in infrastructure projects like this. 

The existing FBI building has apparently had structural problems going all the way back to 2001, its also a hideous brutalist structure which deserves to be demolished on aesthetic grounds alone. 

The FBI workforce is also scattered across multiple sites in Washington, and one would assume that putting them all under one roof will create efficiencies, including being able to scrap three or four buildings and replace with a single large building which is fit for purpose. 

The Obama administration suggested renovating the existing building over a period of 14 years, at a cost of $1.7bn, so it appears that building a new one and knocking it down may be the best option.

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Fair enough, but this FBI building issue is not related to “providing work” if it was there would be a much bigger “infrastructure” plan - something promised for 3 years now. Instead there was as a proposal from a developer to purchase the FBI building to demolish it and build a hotel,  And in the same deal build the FBI new a campus outside DC. 

But as soon as Trump came to power the proposal changed to demolish and rebuild on the same site at taxpayer expense. Why? Well it would mean no new DC hotel to compete against Trumps....

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Meanwhile; the President recently appointed a big campaign contributor and stock holder of competitors to the very organization he is running, as the new head of the US Post Office. 

Oh I wonder why; could it be because the President wants the Post Office to fail to deliver mail in ballots on time? But maybe only in those areas like marginal seats where the election outcome will  be decided? 

Well the new guy just got called to testify to Congress, I wonder if he will turn up.  Meanwhile the President is today acting all innocent wondering "if the US Post Office would be ready" to deliver so many ballots.... 

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