The Never-President Trump

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

1 hour ago, yellowrider120 said:

Do yourself a favour and actually READ the article. It's from a black woman for Christs sake! There's more like that. In actual fact it seems that much of the mistrust of the ultimate intentions behind BLM comes from some within the black community itself.   

One of the things I normally put in the category of 'doing myself a favour' is to not waste my time reading tripe and propaganda from the Mail on the Sunday and its ilk.

Find me an article from a reputable source and I'll be happy to give it a go.

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

13 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

No need to. If you do some objective background work you will find some disturbing aspects within the BLM movement.

Suggest you read the article by Esther Krakue (a 24 year old black girl in the UK) in the Mail on Sunday last weekend. Supplement that with reading the BLM gofundme page. Everyone wants (or should want) genuinely equal treatment of and opportunities for all races but there are people around (and behind) that movement  who want a hell of a lot more than that!

Problem is that the whole politically correct establishment here in the UK now make it almost a crime to even think that the BLM movement may not possibly be the greatest thing ever in the history of mankind. That arrogant, puffed up Adrian Durham on Talk Sport went off on a usual rant about BLM this afternoon and then finished by saying that if any player refused to 'take the knee' they should explain their reasons to him for Christs sake!!  

I read it, she got a lot of abuse on Twitter for criticising BLM, looks like she was on a fishing excercise and she got the replies she wanted/expected.

Not sure what the criticism of the gofundme page is about, seems to be confusion about the word 'dismantle', it doesn't mean 'abolish'.

There's also the usual blaming it all on the far left nonsense that these articles in the MOS thrive on.

 

[A Load of Squit 5,161]

3 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Do yourself a favour and actually READ the article. It's from a black woman for Christs sake! There's more like that. In actual fact it seems that much of the mistrust of the ultimate intentions behind BLM comes from some within the black community itself.   

This might help you understand how these articles get manufactured.

[Bill 1,788]

15 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Suggest you read the article by Esther Krakue (a 24 year old black girl in the UK) in the Mail on Sunday last weekend. Supplement that with reading the BLM gofundme page. Everyone wants (or should want) genuinely equal treatment of and opportunities for all races but there are people around (and behind) that movement  who want a hell of a lot more than that!

She is a rightwing activist, whose views should be judged on their merit not the colour of her skin

One lone Tory voice does not a movement make -and the exception there actually proves the rule.

Your linking this to a site that Wikipedia now classifies as unreliable speaks volumes about your intent

 

ps why not use one of you other logins, rather than posting this 'nonsence'  😁

[Bill 1,788]

15 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Suggest you read the article by Esther Krakue (a 24 year old black girl in the UK) in the Mail on Sunday last weekend. Supplement that with reading the BLM gofundme page. Everyone wants (or should want) genuinely equal treatment of and opportunities for all races but there are people around (and behind) that movement  who want a hell of a lot more than that!

She is a rightwing activist, whose views should be judged on their merit not the colour of her skin

One lone Tory voice does not a movement make -and the exception there actually proves the rule.

Your linking this to a site that Wikipedia now classifies as unreliable speaks volumes about your intent

 

ps why not use one of you other logins, rather than posting this 'nonsence'  😁

[Surfer 1,547]

The nature of “debate” today is too often to rush to the extremes. If you think BLM is a movement designed to split the country and abolish police, then what is your comment about the universal support for BLM from professional sportsmen? 

[Bill 1,788]

32 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

Well obviously you're 'selective' in your reading then! Here is the EXACT quote.................................'Developing and delivering training, police monitoring and strategies for the abolition of police'.

Think you owe me an apology I'd say!

So to all of you who refuse to look beyond the 'equal treatment' mantra of BLM, perhaps you would like to live in a UK where there is no police force? 

Curious use of the English language

why not 'the police'

Could it be that it should read 'abolish the police watchdog'

as in

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/14/racism-campaigners-iopc-police-watchdog-abolished

[Surfer 1,547]

Meanwhile. The polls suggest an increasing lead for Biden, but the difference is matched by the undecided, so assume in reality that it's a draw at the moment.

[Bill 1,788]

That maybe a 'generous' poll as far as Biden goes. However it would indicate a huge majority, if only that the 14% of the undecided would ALL need to vote for Trump to scrape a 'draw'.

My thought is what it does indicate is that support for Trump continues to slip away.

Saturday night should have been Trump getting his campaign back on the road. Thousands of the 'not too bright' cheering every slogan, every false promise and his star trick..... drinking a glass of water with one hand.

Instead we saw him exposed for what he is. A bigoted tub thumper with nothing to offer other than nonsense and lies. Something the appalling turn out suggests others have finally twigged.

No policy, no plans for the future .... nothing, just one long whine how unfair it all is.

Folk are judging him on the past three years.

[Herman 9,754]

As has been mentioned the fat **** won't leave quietly. He's going to try every dirty trick available to steal or corrupt the election with a helping hand from the Repulican cowards and that other corrupt fat **** Barr. Worrying times for our American friends.

[Bill 1,788]

It is not the obvious trickery that has to be feared, but the stuff that was imported over to here.

Using of algorithms to manipulate online propaganda.

targetting the swing states with a barrage of lies, as in the US whoever wins even by one single vote takes all the representatives.

Forget you own safe states and aim at the marginal states.. whic is where the dark arts will be applied.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

We do not get to here much of what Biden is saying or doing.

But Trump is just lying so much at the moment and no-one appears to be challenging what he is saying.

He says the greatest economy ever is US history. Not true, the facts say that the economy did better under Obama.

He says the stock market has seen the greatest 50 days ever. Not trur, all it is doing is recovering from where it plunged to.

He says they are getting on top of the virus but the facts are it i s surging in stated which he encouraged to open up too soon.

And Fauci says he had not been told to cut back on testing.

[Bill 1,788]

I think it's a case of Biden not needing to say anything at this stage - Trump is doing a good job himself destroying his credibility

Why interrupt ?

And the continuing slide in the polls and the empty hall and overflow demonstrated how effective his lies are

Voters don't need to hear any rebuttal - they only have to look around them

[Surfer 1,547]

16 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

.... Trump is just lying so much at the moment and no-one appears to be challenging what he is saying.

This and the corruption of media in not holding those in power to any account are the things I see as disastrous parallels between the US and UK. Yes, and the manipulation of Social Media, but mainly the pure "power at all costs" and secret funding issues. 

Meanwhile, the electorate here seems to have twigged the scam, and Biden's lead has solidified even in the swing states. And not-Trump republicans continue to pound him on his lack of empathy, competence and morality. The President needs to carry all but one of the following swing states (including not losing Florida) to match his narrow win in 2016.

Republicans who have backed Trump have every incentive to cheat to help him do just that, as he risks taking them all down.

Will be interesting to see where Texas sits, it's another 38 Electoral Collage votes, and so is seen as the blowout / landslide State, but these six swing states represent 100 EC Votes which Biden would get and Trump would not if this poll turns into actual votes.

 

 

 

[Bill 1,788]

What the polls don't show is how likely that person is to vote - something that was not picked up in our 2017 election.

Trump had a great head of steam behind in 2016, as did Corbyn in 2017.

That is not there now, as was seen at the weekend with the ridiculously low turn at his 'come back'' rally

The mood, seems to be one of 'anyone but Trump' - and that is the main cause at the moment.

Trump was given the benefit in 2016, that there was something more to him than vacuous slogans. The US, has found this out, to their cost. Much as being seen in the UK where another three one slogan has been quickly replaced with a litany of lies and incompetence

So unless something dramatic changes for Trump the polls are heading toward a Biden landslide - on the simple basis of winner takes all, in almost every state.

[Surfer 1,547]

Meanwhile, the issue with guns, isn't "guns kill people, because people kill people" but the "wrong kind of people" can carry guns... 

..p.s. this is the same Senator who dumped millions of $ of stocks after a private briefing on CoronaVirus ...

 

[Surfer 1,547]

This now seems to be a theme for the Republicans.... Real American v's the Socialist Communist Democrats.

It really sounds like the South want to re-run the civil war.... 

p.s. this is the same guy who disrupted the Department of Justice lawyer testifying in Congress yesterday against AG Barr....

 

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187]

22 hours ago, Bill said:

That maybe a 'generous' poll as far as Biden goes. However it would indicate a huge majority, if only that the 14% of the undecided would ALL need to vote for Trump to scrape a 'draw'.

 

Though of course, as I'm sure you know, he doesn't even need a draw. A small defeat in the popular vote will likely mean a large majority of  the electoral vote 

 

[Bill 1,788]

Them, and their universal healthcare, wanting better and safer work conditions, improved environment protection

some of the crazy lefties are even wanting the US to invest in rebuilding the infrastructure

why, if beliefs from the 1930's are still good enough, then why not crumbling dams, pot holed roads and unsafe bridges from the same era ?

the New York subway was good enough for films made in the 1970',  so why not now ?

bigger dividends or better infrastructure, schools hospitals etc

a view of the direction the righties want to take the UK in

https://www.bigrentz.com/blog/state-of-us-infrastructure

[Bill 1,788]

1 minute ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

Though of course, as I'm sure you know, he doesn't even need a draw. A small defeat in the popular vote will likely mean a large majority of  the electoral vote

eh ?

do enlarge 🙂

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187]

1 minute ago, Bill said:

eh ?

do enlarge 🙂

2016

Clinton 48.2% popular vote, 227 electoral vote

Trump 46.1% popular vote, 304 electoral vote 

🙂

[Bill 1,788]

sorry. but that does not explain it further

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,187]

9 minutes ago, Bill said:

sorry. but that does not explain it further

I assume the poll referred to by @Surfer is based on the popular vote. 

Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but still became president 

2016 US presidential election

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 hour ago, Surfer said:

This now seems to be a theme for the Republicans.... Real American v's the Socialist Communist Democrats.

It really sounds like the South want to re-run the civil war.... 

p.s. this is the same guy who disrupted the Department of Justice lawyer testifying in Congress yesterday against AG Barr....

 

If Trump sees civil unrest as a threat to his reelection then he might be better trying to prevent it by mediation rather than threatening gestures.

 

[Bill 1,788]

7 minutes ago, How I Wrote Elastic Man said:

I assume the poll referred to by @Surfer is based on the popular vote. 

Trump lost the popular vote in 2016, but still became president 

2016 US presidential election

err, yes

because his lot were able to target the swing states ie California is Democrat so an extra million votes for the Democrats will not gain them any extra representatives - whereas a few thousand in the right states would gain the whole state

Unfortunately those swing states are well out of the grasp of a few thousand votes, and with states like Texas very marginal they also could fall to Biden.

Not giving Biden victory, but merely increasing his winning numbers

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

Funny how the US sees socialism as something to hunt down and even legislate against while ignoring the Mafia, who have probably murdered as many people as Stalin.

[Bill 1,788]

because they are not called the mafia in the uS - they are business people, who support the republicans

and try having a listen to what the US voters say when talking about universal healthcare

one being 'it will be swamped with people with no illness because it is free' 🤪

odd how the US has never had the kind of ludicrous pet care plan stuff for the armed forces

probably because universal healthcare is more efficient and cost effective

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

23 hours ago, keelansgrandad said:

We do not get to here much of what Biden is saying or doing.

But Trump is just lying so much at the moment and no-one appears to be challenging what he is saying.

He says the greatest economy ever is US history. Not true, the facts say that the economy did better under Obama.

He says the stock market has seen the greatest 50 days ever. Not trur, all it is doing is recovering from where it plunged to.

He says they are getting on top of the virus but the facts are it i s surging in stated which he encouraged to open up too soon.

And Fauci says he had not been told to cut back on testing.

Biden is starting to make speeches now, and Trump's lies are being challenged by the Democrats, in the various states. Partly because they are trying to tie the Republican candidates in the House and Senate elections to Trump and his lies. Which is why there have been some very very tiny signs of a few Republicans dialling down their previously total and slavish backing of the Orange Idiot. Lindsey Graham's stance over the sacking of a NY prosecutor one example.

As to the economy, the Dems are trying to hit Trump with that, but have found voters are still giving Trump credit, because they have bought the lie that he was a successful businessman!

Back to Biden, things will be energised and take off further when he announces his VP pick (actually if Trump was really smart he would dump Pence and pick pitbull Nikki Haley) and the polls are showing some demographic changes. One that white non-college educated women, previously for Trump, are moving a bit towards Biden. As are those who didn't vote in 2016, presumably because they didn't like Trump but couldn't abide Clinton. All that said, it is very early days.

[Bill 1,788]

At this stage you would expect the challenger to be trying to make headway - not the incumbent slipping in the polls on a weekly basis.

It looks rather like an 18th century duel.

Trump has fired and missed (last w/e) leaving the field to Biden

I cannot now see Trump coming back - if only that Biden's biggest asset is Trump's mouth

[Bill 1,788]

"An attempt to block publication of a book claiming to tell the inside story of the Trump family by the US president’s niece has been dismissed by a court in New York."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/25/trump-brother-robert-niece-mary-memoir-book

Which will undoubtedly fan the flames, and provide a topic that distracts from the orange-utan's attempts to get re-elected

It might also point towards the direction the courts take should said primate attempt to thwart the election result after the count