The Never-President Trump

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

7 hours ago, horsefly said:

You don't need patience old boy. The results are in. And every court case is being thrown out. Stop embarrassing yourself by perpetuating tin-hat conspiracy theories and attend to the FACTS. But if you're so confident of a Trump victory I'll bet you £1000 that Biden's victory is confirmed (money to go to CSF).

There is no 'there' there. But what will happen - it probably is already starting - is that the millions of nutcases (on both sides of the Atlantic) will fall back on what we in the trade call the Roger Hollis argument.

That the fact that no proof at all has been found of election fraud is because this mythical deep state has successfully covered it up. Only if there was fraud would there be absolutely no sign of it.

[horsefly 4,287]

2 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

There is no 'there' there. But what will happen - it probably is already starting - is that the millions of nutcases (on both sides of the Atlantic) will fall back on what we in the trade call the Roger Hollis argument.

That the fact that no proof at all has been found of election fraud is because this mythical deep state has successfully covered it up. Only if there was fraud would there be absolutely no sign of it.

Yep! It's also what Karl Popper pointed out as a tactic of despotic regimes. They introduce unfalsifiable concepts like "the  deep state" to account for all the things for which they have absolutely no evidence. As he further pointed out, such unfalsifiable concepts are, as such, entirely worthless concepts. They only serve the interests of tyrants and despots. It's why democratic cultures are founded upon the rule of law, because the prosecution of law requires commitment to the authority of evidence and the truth of testimony. And that is why courts all over the USA are throwing out Trump's spurious lawsuits. Trump's dictatorial ambitions will be scuppered by the USA's democratic constitution.

[horsefly 4,287]

1 hour ago, SHRIMPER said:

Rudi adjusting his tackle in a sideroom before going into court. That man has fallen so far since he was the darling of the USA after 9/11.

 

Actually he wasn't playing with his d*ck, he was searching for the 5 million Trump votes that Democrats had craftily hidden in his pants (They correctly assumed no one would want to look there).

[Well b back 3,190]

I heard somebody say on newsnight last night ‘ it’s clear we won did you see the amount of people that turned up at Trumps rallies compared to the amount at Bidens ‘

[Herman 9,712]

As the estimable Allen Green points out the ruling government has access to all the apparatus needed to rig an election. The opposition doesn't. 

[MooreMarriot 307]

Meanwhile Trump's hands off approach to the covid virus is proving to be a disaster . If only he had listened to Dr Fauci , described by Trump as " an idiot " .

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-19/us-hospitals-overwhelmed-with-virus-cases-as-deaths-top-250000

[horsefly 4,287]

9 minutes ago, Well b back said:

I heard somebody say on newsnight last night ‘ it’s clear we won did you see the amount of people that turned up at Trumps rallies compared to the amount at Bidens ‘

So dumb in so many ways but most egregious of all is the idiot's failure to distinguish between a count noun and a mass noun; "number" not "amount" (bloody Trump supporters attacking our grammar now, is anything sacred?)

[Yellow Fever 3,745]

Trump's endless vexatious lawsuits are simply an attack on democracy itself.

That's how Trump and his supporters in these undemocratic endeavours need to be seen - and eventually treated. A non-democratic would be dictator.

[horsefly 4,287]

25 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

Trump's endless vexatious lawsuits are simply an attack on democracy itself.

That's how Trump and his supporters in these undemocratic endeavours need to be seen - and eventually treated. A non-democratic would be dictator.

That's exactly what they are and he knows it. It's also why any credible law firm will have nothing to do with them. He knows he has lost, so I suspect these vexatious lawsuits are a part of his plan to maintain the narrative he wants to embed with his base that they have been defrauded. If he can keep that mass support on board he knows it will be difficult for the Republican Party to discard him. Without that base the GOP will treat him like a Kleenex found on Rudy Giuliani's bedroom floor.

Edited November 19, 2020 by horsefly

[Herman 9,712]

"Donald J Trump is a genius. That's what the J stands for." 

A bona fide trump supporter. 

[Surfer 1,547]

3 hours ago, horsefly said:

.... He knows he has lost, so I suspect these vexatious lawsuits are a part of his plan to maintain the narrative he wants to embed with his base that they have been defrauded. If he can keep that mass support on board he knows it will be difficult for the Republican Party to discard him.

Spot on Horsefly. 

And Republican Party leadership should be forever damned for their complicity with the playground bully rather than standing up to him and his supporters. Unless they are all bullies too of course, in which case this crisis for American (and hence global) democracy may just postponed until the next Republican President. 

Edited November 19, 2020 by Surfer

[TheGunnShow 5,930]

Exactly, it's just the "democratic" version of the "knife in the back" legend.

[Yellow Fever 3,745]

2 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Spot on Horsefly. 

And Republican Party leadership should be forever damned for their complicity with the playground bully rather than standing up to him and his supporters. Unless that are all bullies too of course, in which case this crisis may just postponed until another Republican President. 

Why doesn't Trump just declare himself President for life and then we can all get on with it ....

Perhaps he well at noon ... ET.

[horsefly 4,287]

1 hour ago, Yellow Fever said:

Why doesn't Trump just declare himself President for life and then we can all get on with it ....

Perhaps he well at noon ... ET.

It wasn't that long ago he "joked" that he might serve another two or three terms.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

I liked the quote that he is a bull who carries around his own China Shop.

[kick it off 1,948]

6 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

That the fact that no proof at all has been found of election fraud is because this mythical deep state has successfully covered it up. Only if there was fraud would there be absolutely no sign of it.

Schroedinger's electoral fraud?

[Jools 584]

 

[A Load of Squit 5,128]

"Giuliani is requesting that he himself do a hand recount.
In his pants."

"They're going to plead that parking ticket down to Murder One.".

 

[horsefly 4,287]

56 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

It was going really well and then the "A" team walked on. Laughable conspiritorial bollox yet again, and no evidence yet again. I wonder why courts keep throwing this sh*t out??? He is at least right that there has been a pattern repeated across all states: more people voted for Biden and he won. I particularly like the bit when he describes mail in ballots as a "new kind of ballot", erm... they've been used since the Civil War (1865). I think he might be having a breakdown. I prescribe more thinking and less w*nking in hotel bedrooms. I think I will stick with the verdict of the US Government's own Homeland Security Department that this was the most fair election in American history.

Edited November 19, 2020 by horsefly

[Herman 9,712]

Ugh!!🥴

 

[Well b back 3,190]

48 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

Has anyone told them that Covid has killed 250,000 Americans ? No social distancing and Giuliani is constantly wipeing sweat away and the older woman has a dry cough.

[Herman 9,712]

5 hours ago, Herman said:

"Donald J Trump is a genius. That's what the J stands for." 

A bona fide trump supporter. 

Apolgies my friends after watching this again I am positive this has to be satire. It's too good to be true.

 

[Yellow Fever 3,745]

Whom the God's wish to destroy they first drive mad.

Halfway there then!

[How I Wrote Elastic Man 1,181]

46 minutes ago, Herman said:

Apolgies my friends after watching this again I am positive this has to be satire. It's too good to be true.

 

Vanity fair reported last January that Trump himself said that

I have no idea whether that is true, but if it is, it surely has to be Trump taking the píss. Even he couldn't be that stupid 

[kick it off 1,948]

oops duplicate
 

Edited November 19, 2020 by kick it off

[Van wink 2,994]

WHAT A FECKIN CLOWN
 

Trump pushes new environmental rollbacks on way out the door

AOL.COM 4 hrs ago

BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) — Down to its final weeks, the Trump administration is working to push through dozens of environmental rollbacks that could weaken century-old protections for migratory birds, expand Arctic drilling and hamstring future regulation of public health threats.

The pending changes, which benefit oil and gas and other industries, deepen the challenges for President-elect Joe Biden, who made restoring and advancing protections for the environment, climate and public health a core piece of his campaign.

“We’re going to see a real scorched-earth effort here at the tail end of the administration,” said Brian Rutledge, a vice president at the National Audubon Society.

The proposed changes cap four years of unprecedented environmental deregulation by President Donald Trump, whose administration has worked to fundamentally change how federal agencies apply and enforce the Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act and other protections.

Most of the changes are expected to sail through the approval process, which includes the White House releasing the final version and publication in the Federal Register.

Some decisions, if they go into effect, will be easy for Biden to simply reverse. He already has pledged to return the United States to the Paris climate accord as a first step in his own $2 trillion climate plan. But he faces years of work in court and within agencies to repair major Trump cuts to the nation’s framework of environmental protections.

One change that Trump wants to push through would restrict criminal prosecution for industries responsible for the deaths of the nation’s migratory birds. Hawks and other birds that migrate through the central U.S. to nesting grounds on the Great Plains navigate deadly threats — from electrocution on power lines, to wind turbines that knock them from the air and oil field waste pits where landing birds perish in toxic water.

Right now, the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 is a vital tool for protecting more than 1,000 species of birds including hawks and other birds of prey. Federal prosecutors use the act to recover damages, including $100 million from BP for its 2010 oil rig spill into the Gulf of Mexico, which killed more than 100,000 seabirds.

But the Trump administration wants to make sure companies face no criminal liability for such preventable, unintentional deaths.

Federal officials advanced the bird treaty changes to the White House, one of the final steps before adoption, two days after news organizations declared Biden the winner of the presidential race.

For industry, “that’s an important one,” said Rachel Jones, vice president of the National Association of Manufacturers. Jones lobbied for the changes in the Migratory Bird Treaty Act at a meeting last year between private-sector representatives and staff from the White House and Interior Department. “It really matters in relation to the infrastructure we need for a modern society.”

Earlier moves by the Trump administration, which are now facing court challenges, remove protections for millions of miles of waterways and wetlands, narrow protections for wildlife species facing extinction and open more of the hundreds of millions of acres of public land to oil and gas drilling.

Asked about the push now, as Trump and many of his supporters continue to deny his election loss, Environmental Protection Agency spokesman James Hewitt said, “EPA continues to advance this administration’s commitment to meaningful environmental progress while moving forward with our regulatory reform agenda."

Pushing to get new rules on the books before the end of a president's term is not unusual — former Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush both did it, said Cary Coglianese, an expert on administrative law and rule-making at the University of Pennsylvania Carey Law School.

Obama agency heads, after a 2016 Trump victory that surprised many, pushed through rules that sought to protect funding for Planned Parenthood and toughen pollution rules on the oil and gas industries, among others.

But environmentalists and some former federal officials said the actions being taken in Trump’s final days reflect a pro-industry agenda taken to the extreme, in disregard for imperiled wildlife, climate change and damage to human health from air pollution.

“What we’re seeing at the end is what we’ve seen all along, which is a fealty to private interests over public interests,” said David Hayes, former deputy secretary of the Interior Department under Obama and now adjunct professor at the New York University School of Law. “They seem intent on finalizing these as a kind of ideological point.”

[Bill 1,788]

2 hours ago, Herman said:

Ugh!!🥴

not a good idea to use gravy browning to dye your hair

you are bound to end up a laughing stock 😋

 

[SHRIMPER 328]

32 minutes ago, Bill said:

not a good idea to use gravy browning to dye your hair

you are bound to end up a laughing stock 😋

 

But he is still on the Gravy train with chocolate wheels.

[A Load of Squit 5,128]

When are they going to release the kraken?

 

[Yellow Fever 3,745]

5 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

When are they going to release the kraken?

 

No, its a cuttlefish.