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I'm not sure what the old histories of the Democrat and Republican parties is supposed to tell us about the modern parties? Are you saying that because Lincoln abolished slavery that trump isn't a racist? 

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15 minutes ago, Herman said:

I'm not sure what the old histories of the Democrat and Republican parties is supposed to tell us about the modern parties? Are you saying that because Lincoln abolished slavery that trump isn't a racist? 

No. I'm trying to say that the Democrats were formed as a party by those who wanted to keep slavery in place. After all isn't that what BLM is all about, bring down those who have supported slavery at any point in history?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Jools said:

Among the things I am looking forward to after the November election is the absolute gutting of the global Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine. They know full well that this story is originating out of Russian intelligence, they and certain Republican politicians just don't care and they repeat this pattern or poison across Australia the US and UK. Enough! 

This pathetic attempt at an "October surprise" is only happening because their other attempt at an "October surprise" fell flat on its face.... the "unmasking" of Gen Flynn was a request to find out who was secretly cutting deals with Russia i.e. who's a potential US traitor. 

And this "new" story is the same "old" story the President got impeached over.... so no, the other news organizations and even Social Media are not going to give it any credence, except Fox course. 

The bottom line is these guys are desperate. 

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They are desperate because they know if they lose a lot of he President's men they are going to jail. Not because the incoming administration will be vindictive, but because justice must be done for the country to heal itself from the moral corruption. 

North Carolina and Georgia - deep red Georgia - being the latest States to show a significant Biden / Harris lead. 

 

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1 hour ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

No. I'm trying to say that the Democrats were formed as a party by those who wanted to keep slavery in place. 

Um no. The Democratic-Republican party was formed in 1790's with a focus on States rights and a limited role for the Federal government. It split in the 1820's forming the Democratic Party, and it split again in 1860, over the issue of slavery, which let Abraham Lincoln win with only 40% of the vote. After the war it lost influence in the North and it became associated with the repression of ex-slaves rights, there is no denying that.

The modern history of the Republican and Democratic parties though is almost a mirror image of that history. The Republican Party have adopted the Democratic Party attitudes and vice versa. So to the question of "who are the racists?" it depends on what period you are talking about. So BLM has a genuine beef with both, but it's the Republicans who at this time represent those who want to deny racial equality. Of course not all Republicans are racists, that would be stupid to say, but it's probably fair to say the majority of racists are Republicans. 

https://www.history.com/topics/us-politics/democratic-party

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Even increasing numbers of demonprats are disagreeing with her.

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Nancy Pelosi is not on the ballot. President Trump is, and he can't make his mind up whether he wants a deal or not. 

First he sat on his hands for three months, while Nancy Pelosi negotiated in good faith and eventually passed a second Bill in the House. The first one, Senate leader Mitch McConnell has refused to consider unless Trump supported it. 

Then just last week -

Trump told his team to abandon negotiations, and to push the Supreme Court nomination through. 

Then he told them he wanted a targeted deal, because he saw the stock marketing tanking. 

Then he told them he wanted a big deal and they should prioritize that over the Supreme Court nomination.

 

So yeah, Nancy Pelosi told Wolf Blitzter where he could shove his line of questioning, he's asking the wrong person. 

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7 hours ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

No. I'm trying to say that the Democrats were formed as a party by those who wanted to keep slavery in place. After all isn't that what BLM is all about, bring down those who have supported slavery at any point in history?

 

 

Not really. BLM is predominantly about the black communities and people getting genuine equal rights and a fair go. A level playing field so to speak. 

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12 hours ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

So one video is from an unknown who makes a very good argument about why people of all race should vote for Trump. The other video is from a very well known liberal member of the media who is promoting the Democratic agenda where they base the argument on 2 second clips without any context.

 

Not a good argument bro.

 

What was missed out in the videos was that Abe Lincoln was a Republican and the Democratic party was formed by Americans from the Confederate States that  supported and defended the slavery business. As my man in the previous video said, look it up.

 

 

Very interesting to see you citing an historical fact as an attempt to undermine why people of colour should vote Democrat. Historical facts are of course relevant to any debate if one can make a genuine connection between those facts and the current situation, so let's analyse your point that the Democratic party formed from "...the Confederate States that  supported and defended the slavery business." (btw I didn't need to look that up). It would be relevant to the current debate if you could name me a single Democrat standing for election who supports any aspect of the Confederate cause. Indeed, it might even be relevant if you can find me a single Democrat voter who supports any aspect of the Confederate cause. But of course we all know you won't find any such example, so your citing this particular historical fact is utterly irrelevant. It is as absurd to use this fact to suggest a black person shouldn't vote Democrat as it would be to suggest a black person shouldn't vote Tory because of former Tory opposition to ending slavery in the early 19th century (look it up).

But since you have raised the historical fact of the Confederacy let's take a look to see where it might be relevant to the voting intentions of people of colour. It doesn't take much research to find the Confederate flag being displayed and waved by myriads of Republican politicians and supporters. Trump himself has defended the right of individuals to display the Confederate flag, a symbol of segregation, race hate and white supremacy. You can take your pick from the web's plethora of clips of Confederate flags fluttering from the back of pick-ups with their occupants screaming "white power" (They even infamously do it from their golf carts in Florida). 

So it seems you've opened your mouth and put your foot right in it (or should that be your big toe).

 

 

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Meanwhile - another day closer to the election,  yet another Republican convicted or pleading guilty to fraud .....

 

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The only people who will take this ‘story’ seriously will be voting for Trump anyway. If it has any effect on undecideds it will be to confirm just how unspeakable are Trump and his cronies.

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On 03/09/2020 at 11:29, Yellow Fever said:

 

RTB is simply a saddo idiot. The Kenosha 'kid' Rittenhouse simply had no reason to be there (curfew), Was 'Out of State', is only 17 (illegal to open carry) and shot killed 2 or 3 people. Lots of law (federal) breaches right there. He was part of an armed vigilante mob frankly looking for trouble.

Sadly he has destroyed not only the lives of those he shot - but also his own.

Out of interest where did he get the gun from - and what of his parents?

Looking like Rittenhouse is going to be cleared of any charges and rightly so 😎

The Antifa idiot who attacked Rittenhouse has been charged 😎

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12 minutes ago, Jools said:

Looking like Rittenhouse is going to be cleared of any charges and rightly so 😎

The Antifa idiot who attacked Rittenhouse has been charged 😎

Try Wisconsin 

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1 minute ago, Yellow Fever said:

Try Wisconsin 

He'll be cleared there too 👍

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Republicans know they can't win on policy. In fact, the party didn't even bother to publish a manifesto for this election - and Trump can't explain to Fox what his 2nd term goals are. All they have is fear and division, and the RWNJ hangers-on will lie and spin for dear life as they know they have no future if this ship goes down. 

Back to our revolutionary France in 1790's, communist Russia in 1920's, China in 1950's and fascist Italy and Germany in 1930's analogies  - the nationalist "supreme leader" attracts all the wanna be dross, who usually have failed in other aspects of their life, like moths to a flame. Administrative incompetence is welcomed as blind loyalty to the leader is of the highest value. Even when he turns on each of them - as eventually he will - their loyalty means they willingly sacrifice themselves "for the cause". History on a loop, just change the names. 

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