Bill 1,788 Posted August 23, 2020 even when they are blatant lies they will deny they are lies, and bleat these righty nutjobs are unable to take on board what does not fit into their cloud cuckoo land world and simply resort to bleating out Orwellian type slogans watch at 2.30 mins Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 23, 2020 2 hours ago, yellowrider120 said: Just think Keelan - your 'brave new enlightened world' will probably begin on the morning of 4th November then I wonder where you'll turn your left wing vitriol then! Still in 'Uncle Joe' we trust hey?? Couldn't you just accept that Trump is a disgraceful person as are many of his supporters. Biden may not be the best choice but has to better than Trump. Left wing I may be but this lying, racist, mysoginist is better suited to the Phillipines than the US. And I will continue my vitriol on Johnson and his incompetent bunch. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 23, 2020 As in the UK, righties are quite happy to swallow blatant lies, then repeat them This forum has been infested with such lies - see above where Tools is talking about Nov 4th Is that just ignorance or a lie ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yellowrider120 762 Posted August 24, 2020 9 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: Couldn't you just accept that Trump is a disgraceful person as are many of his supporters. Biden may not be the best choice but has to better than Trump. Left wing I may be but this lying, racist, mysoginist is better suited to the Phillipines than the US. And I will continue my vitriol on Johnson and his incompetent bunch. It may surprise you but we are actually in agreement with much of what you say above. I have never been a Trump supporter. He is a 'liar' there's little doubt often bare faced in fact. It's so easy to dismiss others as 'racist' these days as the majority of people who fling this slogan about have'nt a clue what it actually means. For example - to many left wing students, if you say you voted Tory you're instantly hated as 'racist' or a '****'. These people have never studied history and I suggest they sit themselves down and watch that outstanding documentary 'The World at War' with that fabulous, haunting and chilling narration by Laurence Olivier. THEN they would discover what the word '****' really means and it has eff all to do with the Tory Government (past or present) that's defo. Is Johnson and the current incumbents 'incompetent' - again, 100% I suspect, though, that your distaste of them is simply because they are not LA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 24, 2020 Take a look at the holocaust, then tell me Peter Sutcliffe is a mass murderer. I suspect that people who call Peter a mass murderer are those who have not watched Schindlers List, which was produced by the amazing Stephen Spielberg. And those who think the much maligned Peter is a mass murderer are probably just feminists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 24, 2020 6 hours ago, yellowrider120 said: It may surprise you but we are actually in agreement with much of what you say above. I have never been a Trump supporter. He is a 'liar' there's little doubt often bare faced in fact. It's so easy to dismiss others as 'racist' these days as the majority of people who fling this slogan about have'nt a clue what it actually means. For example - to many left wing students, if you say you voted Tory you're instantly hated as 'racist' or a '****'. These people have never studied history and I suggest they sit themselves down and watch that outstanding documentary 'The World at War' with that fabulous, haunting and chilling narration by Laurence Olivier. THEN they would discover what the word '****' really means and it has eff all to do with the Tory Government (past or present) that's defo. Is Johnson and the current incumbents 'incompetent' - again, 100% I suspect, though, that your distaste of them is simply because they are not LA You are correct. In my experience, many red brick students have always been anti establishment without good reason or experience. Their support for Corbyn was based on this. You also correct that I would always be anti Johnson and Tories. Call belief or principle if you like. And I don't have the urge to go into great detail of why at the moment. Its obvious. But I wouldn't compare Boris to Trump. But Trump is all of the things I mentioned. And I cannot deny that I think many of his supporters are even worse than him. I still cannot believe that people have forgotten how they were as bad as South Africa as late as 1968. And Trump has turned back the clock to those times. And using the old hatred notion that it is always someone elses fault. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,162 Posted August 24, 2020 So Kellyanne Conwoman leaving Team Trump isn't the worst piece of news for Donnie today. Stephanie Winston Wolkoff (her of the the inauguration hoohah) has a book coming out in a week or so and she’s revealed she has Melania on tape dumping on Donald and Ivanka and the Trump children. I hope this is as good as it sounds. 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 24, 2020 (edited) Stay focused everyone. Tattle tale books and commentary about rose gardens are irrelevant. Police brutality and voter suppression are still happening right now. Democracy is on the line. The story that matters is re-establishing proper governance for all the people in our countries. This VVVV is the Republican Party campaign - fear. It's all they have .... be afraid, very afraid. Edited November 1, 2020 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) The Republican Party said it is the party of law and order, morality and personal responsibility.... oh well. They have at least two speaker vacancies now - Bannon and Falwell - plus Eric Trump pleaded the 5th and refused to testify in a tax case in NYC. And Kellyanne Conway may or may not speak as she's stepping down at the end of the month "to spend more time with her family" - that's Mrs "the President has alternate facts" Edited August 25, 2020 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 25, 2020 They cannot keep their mouths shut until they have to tell the truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 25, 2020 Yeah last night was another level of crazy ... so we just have to remember that a significant % of the electorate is OK with this, and make sure that the bigger % of the electorate who isn't OK with this is motivated to vote, allowed to vote, and their vote is counted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 25, 2020 Cohen's words could easily be describing Johnson Time this shtshow of crooks, liars and conmen both side of the water were removed from office and put in the dock The US has started, we need to follow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 26, 2020 It speaks for itself "Police investigating Tuesday shooting as potential vigilante attack after two people are fatally shot "Police are now investigating the shooting that occurred on Tuesday evening during protests in Kenosha, Wisconsin, as a potential vigilante attack by a white male carrying a long rifle. Mobile phone footage showed a white male open fire in the middle of the street using a semi-automatic riffle. Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that one victim had been shot in the head and another in the chest late Tuesday, just before midnight. Mr Beth said he was not aware of where the third victim was shot, but one video from the incident said someone was shot in the arm. Two people died from their injuries and the third remains in the hospital recovering from a non-life threatening injuries. Mr Beth, after investigations reviewed the footage, said he was confident they would have the man involved in this shooting arrested soon. Eye witnesses and video footage from the shooting on Tuesday indicated that police apparently let the man with the riffle walk by them without stopping him. Members of the crowd were reportedly shouting at the police officers to arrest him, but he walked by with the rifle slung over his shoulder as cars drove by to attend to the victims. The sheriff confirmed to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that armed people had been patrolling the streets of Kenosha that last couple nights but he was not aware if the gunman was among them. "They´re a militia," Mr Beth said. "They´re like a vigilante group." Lieutenant Governor Mandela Barnes, who is black, slammed the ability for armed gunman to walk around on the streets with rifles and face no repercussions. "How many times across this country do you see armed gunmen, protesting, walking into state Capitols, and everybody just thinks it´s OK?" Mr Barnes said in an interview with Democracy Now!. "People treat that like it´s some kind of normal activity that people are walking around with assault rifles." The FBI has been called to assist in investigating the case. " go to 25 secs - graphic footage has been edited Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 26, 2020 And the President gleefully pours gasoline on the fire .... remember this started with the police shooting an unarmed black man in the back seven times. For now it's a State level issue, nothing to do with the Federal Government, the President can't send anyone without the Governor's request. But it's all part of his attempt to win an election by scaring the suburban voters into believing the country is going up in flames and only Donald Trump can save you ... all very Putinesque of him. Screw the commentary on speeches, rose garden, and violating the Hatch Act, the real issues in America heading into this election are voter suppression, dismantling the Post Office, framing Joe Biden with trumped up Ukraine charges and right wing militia agitation and violence against BLM. Millionaires and "local militia patriots" uniting to retain historical white power is a very toxic brew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) And meanwhile political pressure caused the FDA and CDC to cave on medical guidance this week. And apparently the CDC decision was taken while Dr FAuci - the medical expert for multiple Presidents was under general anesthetic. You may wonder why they think this will come out - the answer is they don't care. The President and his team want you to believe the virus is gone (all speeches have it in the past tense) and if we can't make it go away we can slow down the testing (CDC) and tell people we have a cure (FDA) ... can't wait for the Putinesque announcement of a CV-19 vaccine in just a few weeks time. Edited August 26, 2020 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) ..... but we will stand (even support) armed civilians shooting people...dead this boy cannot purchase or drink alcohol in the states - but he can walk about the streets carrying, and using, a semi-automatic rifle the above photo is of Seventeen-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse who was arrested Wednesday and charged with murder in the shooting deaths of two people during the Tuesday night riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Insider.com reports that Rittenhouse is from Antioch, Illinois, and was allegedly armed with an AR-15 Tuesday night. He allegedly “crossed state lines to stand guard outside businesses during unrest stemming from the… [August 23, 2020] police shooting of Jacob Blake.” Rittenhouse allegedly shot three people Tuesday night, two of whom succumbed to their wounds. The incident was captured on a mobile phone footage and quickly went viral. Edited August 26, 2020 by Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 26, 2020 As he crossed the State Line this IS now a Federal offense that can be investigated by the FBI. What will Attorney Barr and his boss Donald Trump order them to do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 26, 2020 (edited) I shall avoid making the obvious comment about someone from the US going into another state and killing people Korea, Vietnam. Iraq, Syria.... But I will point out that I believe in Wisconsin a 17 can be charged with a criminal act under the same rules as if he or she were 18 I wonder if the righties will be demanding the death penalty Edited August 26, 2020 by Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 26, 2020 If he had done it last week he could have been a guest speaker at the RNC this week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 26, 2020 The NRA has over 5 million members out of a population of 328 million. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: The NRA has over 5 million members out of a population of 328 million. I wonder how many US citizens have been shot and killed by those members What kind of sick society allows civilians to wander the streets armed with a fully loaded, semi automatic rifle in full view of the police..... and one who is 17 years old ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted August 26, 2020 41 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: The NRA has over 5 million members out of a population of 328 million. Rephrased they ONLY have 5 million members out of 328 million, which is less than 2%. The other 98% are pretty fed up with this tail wagging the dog.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, Surfer said: Rephrased they ONLY have 5 million members out of 328 million, which is less than 2%. The other 98% are pretty fed up with this tail shooting the dog.... that's more like it and this sickening act is what the protests are about because it is not an isolated case - but one is an almost daily occurrence as far as police shooting black people is concerned 'terrorist' killings by loony muslims in the UK provoke massive outrage - now imagine if it was the police murdering innocent civilians on a daily basis Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,558 Posted August 27, 2020 On 25/08/2020 at 22:10, Surfer said: Yeah last night was another level of crazy ... so we just have to remember that a significant % of the electorate is OK with this, and make sure that the bigger % of the electorate who isn't OK with this is motivated to vote, allowed to vote, and their vote is counted. My favourite so far has been Tim Scott, the only black Republican senator, warning that Biden would usher in 'a socialist utopia.' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted August 27, 2020 If a Black man had wandered down the street with an Assault Rifle he would have been shot on the spot. A white youth is arrested and a show will be begin. Considering we know Trump has taken advantage of interference in not only his election but other matters of state, the conspiracy theory that he is using agent provocateurs is gaining ground. And now Just In: Chinese State Media and Leaders of CHINA want Biden to win “the U.S. Election”. If this happened (which it won’t), China would own our Country, and our Record Setting Stock Markets would literally CRASH! News for you Trump, we all want Biden to win Share this post Link to post Share on other sites