Surfer 1,547 Posted November 7, 2019 I would give that one up while you are behind RTB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted November 7, 2019 That buying Greenland thing. He was not actually trolling. 😲🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted November 7, 2019 " Donald Trump wanted his attorney general, William Barr, to declare publicly that the president’s phone call with Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine was not illegal, only for Mr Barr to decline, according to reports. " much as I thought there will be few, if any, who will be willing to lie on oath to protect Trump - Johnson take note one by one the case has been working it's way up the ladder, the only question now is how far ranging will this 'trial' go, who else will be dragged in, as like Nurembourg after WW2 justice will need to be seen to be done as well as being done the festering wound that is Trump will need to be cleaned up before it can heal - and with similar allegations of Russian interference in the UK I would expect the shock waves to reach this shore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 7, 2019 Specifically on Ukraine it’s is likely to include Donald Trump Mick Mulvaney Mike Pompeo Rick Perry on the possible list but maybe just on the other side because of “plausible deniability” Mike Pence William Barr John Bolton Then there are the fall guys - not all in the Administration but who can be blamed Rudy Guiliani Ambassador Sonderland White House lawyers Beyond Ukraine, it could be almost anyone and almost everyone in the Administration and the Republican Party over the next couple of years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) Right wingers, crooks as well as liars Judge orders Trump to pay $2m for misusing charity foundation 'A judge in New York orders President Donald Trump to pay $2 million for misusing his charitable foundation, the AP reports. In December 2018, a second New York judge signed off on a deal to shut down Trump’s personal charity after a lawsuit exposed a “shocking pattern of illegality”. In Decemeber 2018 the 'charity' was shut down, with "Following the announcement of the shutdown, the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (Crew) executive director, Noah Bookbinder, said: “The Donald J Trump Foundation has abused the rules governing non-profit charitable foundations and admitted to breaking the law. It apparently operated for the sole purpose of benefiting Donald Trump. “Crew filed complaints calling for investigations into the Foundation for improper political activity, lying on its tax returns, and self-dealing to benefit Donald Trump, among other problems. It is good to see this fraud is finally over.” Trump had used the charity to pay off legal settlements within his business and even to buy a painting of himself to hang in one of his golf clubs.' If he was prepared to defraud a charity then what else has he been up to ? Edited November 7, 2019 by Bill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) More on the above misuse of charitable funds case brought by New York State, they are the same legal team suing for his business and personal tax returns for other reasons, which may go to the Supreme Court for a final ruling. The lawsuit involved the President and his three eldest children, Don Jnr, Ivanka and Eric. https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/trump-settlement-trump-foundation-new-york/index.html What is amazing is that after the Judge said - "Mr. Trump breached his fiduciary duty to the Foundation," including by "allowing his campaign to orchestrate" a televised fundraiser ostensibly for the foundation in Des Moines, Iowa, in January 2016, and allowing the campaign to direct the distribution of the money raised from that event "to further Mr. Trump's political campaign." This is the " fundraiser for veterans" in question https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/rewatching-trump-iowa-fundraiser-heart-attorney-general-lawsuit His lawyers had the chutzpah to say - "We are pleased that the Court, in rejecting the Attorney General's frivolous request for statutory penalties, interest and other damages, recognized that every penny ever raised by the Trump Foundation has gone to help those most in need," If that were true, you might presume there would have not been a lawsuit or that ruling.... the Foundation is being dissolved under legal supervision.... Famous ex-CBS newscaster Dan Rather said : ' Apparently the Trump family took the phrase “charity begins at home” literally ' Edited November 8, 2019 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted November 8, 2019 Even though the evidence mounts there is still a huge amount of support for him with people saying that they can forgive him because he doing a great job for the country. A bit like saying Pablo Escobar did great things for his community by selling poison around the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted November 8, 2019 There are some posters on here who have been falsely claiming a poster 'stole' some money from a charity. I wonder if they'll be able to bring themselves to criticise Trump for being found guilty of misusing funds from his charity. Wouldn't it be fun to see what happens when the Trump clan have to turn up for their training day? 😀 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) There are three sources of new information occurring at the same time : - the depositions regarding the "withholding military assistance $ to Ukraine in return for politically motivated investigations" - the Roger Steele trial for lying to Congress about his role in the Wikileaks release of Russian hacked DNC e-mail server - FOI requests to release Mueller report internal memos and some of the FBI's 302's - those are witness statements. From each you have to come back to the central question - why does everything point to Russia / why are Republican politicians doing every thing they can not to point the finger at Russia? Well, this is from this morning - the RNC (Republican National Committee) may have been deceitful about their knowledge and role over the Wikileaks.... was the Mueller report given to Congress incomplete? “The RNC also indicates they knew the timing of the upcoming [Wikileaks] releases.” ....and... -“Candidate Trump said, ‘get the emails.’ [Michael] Flynn said he could use his intelligence sources to obtain the emails.” Edited November 8, 2019 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Meanwhile ... the new strategy for the Ukraine scandal seems to be to blame the subordinates. That worked for Ronald Reagan over the Iran / Contra scandal, but everyone knew that he was essentially senile and only acting as a president by that time so he got away with it. https://www.newsandguts.com/the-last-strategy-house-gop-ready-to-blame-trump-deputies-for-ukraine/ Edited November 9, 2019 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted November 10, 2019 Clintons in survival talks Saw that headline and wondered what Trump had done to them. Then I realised who it was. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) On 25/10/2019 at 10:22, keelansgrandad said: But Colorado isn't on the border of Mexico. New Mexico yes. Have to watch for Don Lemon's response. Edited November 10, 2019 by Herman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Meanwhile : Republican madness continues. Edited November 11, 2019 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,325 Posted November 11, 2019 Adam Schiff has blocked every GOP witness from testifying before his impeachment committee Not Hunter Biden Not the Whistleblower Absolutely no one that the GOP requested as a witness will be allowed to speak How is this due process? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted November 11, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: Adam Schiff has blocked every GOP witness from testifying before his impeachment committee Not Hunter Biden Not the Whistleblower Absolutely no one that the GOP requested as a witness will be allowed to speak How is this due process? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 12, 2019 Linsey Graham used to have a reputation, now he is obviously compromised - the only question is what specific dirt are they holding over him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Rock The Boat said: Adam Schiff has blocked every GOP witness from testifying before his impeachment committee Not Hunter Biden Not the Whistleblower Absolutely no one that the GOP requested as a witness will be allowed to speak How is this due process? OK I will explain - for anyone else who is reading this. The “witnesses” are not relevant to this inquiry, which is did the President use his public office for his private benefit? Clearly under the US Constitution that would be grounds for impeachment. The fact that he may have withheld military aid in return for a very public investigation by a foreign government of a domestic political rival is also a violation of the US Constitution. So to the “due process” claims - first it was the Republicans who wrote the rules so suck it up snowflakes - and second the “trial” phase will take place in the Senate, the President can call his defense witnesses then, however there will be a Supreme Court judge present to prevent the defense lawyers calling irrelevant witnesses even then. Then given the whole point of the (I will say alleged) extortion of Ukraine was to have them make a public statement they would investigate the Bidens, why would the Democrats agree to let the Republicans do that very same thing as a part of these proceedings? Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan are the President’s goons out to confuse the weak minded over on Fox News, who are the Torygraph propagandists of US politics. The Republicans are very obviously scared stiff, they know the facts as well as anyone, so they are out to create as big a sh1tshow as they can and will hope that between Fox propaganda and "both sides do it" attitude of the other TV news media that they will get away with it.... Edited November 12, 2019 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 13, 2019 Meanwhile.... today we will witness the first public hearings for the impeachment inquiry. There will be plenty of distractions thrown up today but we must all focus on the issue at hand - the truth must be brought into the sunlight and not buried under more yet more self-serving propaganda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted November 13, 2019 I have no idea how long these proceedings will take and where they would go afterwards. Anyone any ideas on what will be happening. Apart from Republican obfuscation that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted November 13, 2019 I detect a distinct cheering of the spirit in the BBC reporters covering the Trump impeachment inquiry, which will only serve to increase their disappointment when it goes nowhere 🙃 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted November 13, 2019 I detect a distinct cheering of the spirit in the BBC reporters covering the Trump impeachment inquiry, which will only serve to increase their disappointment when it goes nowhere Well he is a very good friend of yours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: I detect a distinct cheering of the spirit in the BBC reporters covering the Trump impeachment inquiry, which will only serve to increase their disappointment when it goes nowhere Well he is a very good friend of yours. And millions of Americans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) But there are a few hundred million Americans Jools, so yes he has at least a few tens of millions supporting him. We’ll see how many still support him after the facts are made public. It will still be some number of millions of course, but just like in UK, if you only watch Fox, or only read the Telegraph your viewpoint will be totally distorted as the news may not be reported at all, or what is reported in purely opinion / propaganda. What is encouraging is the reasonably fair daytime “news” operation at Fox actually will be covering these hearings live, so at least there will be coverage, though of course the breakfast and evening “opinion” operation will be railing against a “show trail” a “coup” and a “second civil war” if these hearings proceed. Edited November 13, 2019 by Surfer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,749 Posted November 13, 2019 I did wonder yesterday if Hilary knew something that was in our our own oddly and dubiously delayed 'Russia Report' that would also embarrass Trump and the Republicans hence she was calling for it to be published. It just seemed odd that she would make such a call otherwise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,325 Posted November 13, 2019 On 12/11/2019 at 02:58, Surfer said: OK I will explain - for anyone else who is reading this. The “witnesses” are not relevant to this inquiry, which is did the President use his public office for his private benefit? Clearly under the US Constitution that would be grounds for impeachment. The fact that he may have withheld military aid in return for a very public investigation by a foreign government of a domestic political rival is also a violation of the US Constitution. So to the “due process” claims - first it was the Republicans who wrote the rules so suck it up snowflakes - and second the “trial” phase will take place in the Senate, the President can call his defense witnesses then, however there will be a Supreme Court judge present to prevent the defense lawyers calling irrelevant witnesses even then. Then given the whole point of the (I will say alleged) extortion of Ukraine was to have them make a public statement they would investigate the Bidens, why would the Democrats agree to let the Republicans do that very same thing as a part of these proceedings? Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan are the President’s goons out to confuse the weak minded over on Fox News, who are the Torygraph propagandists of US politics. The Republicans are very obviously scared stiff, they know the facts as well as anyone, so they are out to create as big a sh1tshow as they can and will hope that between Fox propaganda and "both sides do it" attitude of the other TV news media that they will get away with it.... Well witnesses do have an important role to play in court cases, that has to be self-evident. But, in your opinion Surfer, do you think Joe Biden used the Office of Vice-President to benefit his family, viz. Hunter Biden? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted November 13, 2019 They should just put the poor bloke out of his misery, he's obviously lost the plot and needs to stand down. https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-ivanka-has-created-14-million-jobs/ Trump: Ivanka Has Created 14 Million Jobs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted November 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: Well witnesses do have an important role to play in court cases, that has to be self-evident. But, in your opinion Surfer, do you think Joe Biden used the Office of Vice-President to benefit his family, viz. Hunter Biden? Bit of a red herring and distraction. A good way to take the spotlight away from your own corruption. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted November 13, 2019 26 minutes ago, Jools said: Ah the Devin Nunes fantasy - I note that you didn’t post Chairman Schiff’s opening statement, nor did I see you mention that Nunes never mentioned the call with Zelensky.... why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
