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Thanks for your latest report, Sheva, I agree with your concerns about der Spiegel being establishment, partisan to Germany''s agenda and views, this happens everywhere, whatever media and regardless of country.Klitschko, despite/because his career in boxing and martial arts, and because of his university education, is probably a positive help. He fights fair, and looks like a sensitive person. I take your word on Petr Poroshenko, I would only want the best for the Ukraine, it can be a strong country and by its position could be a powerful go between between Russia and Europe, a pivotal position that could advance trade abnd be of mutual benefit to all three.good luck with campaigning.

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sheva is most likely packing her lugage and getting her passports ready. Ukraine is going to the dogs and slowly some nations are waking up to the lies they have been subjected to. Here? nooo, its the same as usual....http://www.globalresearch.ca/popular-discontent-grows-with-german-media-lies-in-ukraine-crisis-2/5376623

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this is from wikispooks, a link to a failry long lecture by Anrey Fursov, the Director of Russian studies at Moscow university, it helps to explain who is paying the pro western fascists who burned the building in Odessa, then stamped on people who had jumped of the building.  https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Document:Battleground_Ukraine

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Sorry, Herman, but I can''t do unbiased at present, regardless of were you try, even blogs are promoting one or other bias. The Odessa massacre is now looking like a fals flag event and the elections to be held this month will be a flop. There is Seumas Milne''s article in the Guardian, saying that Putin is being catsigated as the new Hitler, propaganda rules the MSM at the moment.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

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The election has happened and sweety Poroshenko has managed to teach people to throw their ballots, well orderede and stacked, into a long ballot box, see through off course, so we can see this marvellous feat of dexterity.Two days later the first of 100 bodies are buried in Donetzk. Did the use of Academi mercenaries help? we shall see, cause Putin said that he has received a cry for help and will consider acting upon it.http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7c0_1401048702

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No mention of Russian or Chechen mercenaries causing trouble?

Also, that link to vote rigging is extremely flimsy. 

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Just look at the neatly folded stacks in the bottom corner of these ballot boxes and then tell me that gravity was suspended as they were pushed through the slit above, haha.What of the 300 Academi/ Blackwater mercenaries fighting our cause to what aim?  Ukraine has been undermined since 2004 and history will not stop at those who didn''t know. Maybe you are more used to these reliable unbiased reporters.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576490/Are-Blackwater-active-Ukraine-Videos-spark-talk-U-S-mercenary-outfit-deployed-Donetsk.html

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"Any suggestion that a U.S. mercenary outfit like Academi had begun operating in the country could give Russian president Vladimir Putin the pretext for a military invasion"

 

They may be there, who knows, and it is a stupid and dangerous game for the US to play if they are there, running around for all to see. It could be the Stalinist, Putin, using propaganda for his nefarious ends. Both need to sod off and stop using Ukraine for their proxy war.

Here is some very biased, but also interesting ''evidence'' of some of the dodgy Russians/Russian trainees out there.

http://www.ukrainianwinnipeg.ca/russian-mercenaries-donbas/


 

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P.s. are there any dates or times for the ''vote rigging'' photos?

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[quote user="Herman "]P.s. are there any dates or times for the ''vote rigging'' photos?[/quote]

Sorry for not finding the vote riggers Herman, but nhere are the allies of the western powers we so desperately want to enter in the EU.You might, or might not have heard that Ukreaine''s Government has lost its PM, he was told to walk by the same fascists who are now lobbing grenades and mortars over the Russian border.looking at MCain cuddling up to them they probably had a different agenda alltogether to those who just wanted a new, more democratic Government.http://scenepublique.net/a-la-une/there-are-no-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-and-the-obama-administration-does-not-support-fascists-indeed/3220/2014/02/24.html

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I do not know enough about Ukraine and its history to form an opinion but I do know that the interference from the EU has poured petrol on the situation, the sooner this vile corrupt organisation is put to the sword the better.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04j2pjj/panorama-putins-gamble

Even the BBC are starting to understand what''s going on in Ukraine, at least they have a man on the ground who talkes to people both sides and witnesses events unlike the majority of ''experts'' who just trawl the websites to suite their agenda or ''leanings''

I''m lucky enough to be spending most of my time in Norfolk/Suffolk, however some of my family and friends are right in the middle of the fighting, some displaced some unable to move, all Russian speaking, so believe me I know exactly how it is and why.

Watch the BBC Panorama programme, the reporter makes some very good points, the will was never there for the Russian speaking people to go back to living under Russian rule, this is a fact and the Russians Had to invade, which they did many months ago , to stir it up.

Russian and Ukrainian speakers are no different they Had no problem, we live side by side, drink together and so it goes on..............

Even now people will get over this, its in their DNA to shrug off hardship and war, this has always amazed me how Ukrainian/Russians can fight, be brutal towards each other, then forgive.

There''s still a good to even chance this dangerous conflict can be resolved. Putin has gambled, it seemed the perfect time, what with the distraction of Syria/Iraq, UK split, and also having a lot of the Western countries relying on Russian money and Gas. Also the West looking weak in leaders.

I feel Putin has been building for this moment since 1992, if it goes wrong for him, then he knows he is finished in the eyes of the Russian people, I fear he will make this his last stand.

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Watching the BBC...... listening to the BBC reporter makiong a good point. The BBC has conspired with Obama and others sincve 2004 to undermine the Ukraine, not due to its awfull choices of dictators they voted for in the past, no difference between Timoshenko and Yanukopvich, both were self serving and ruthless, but to get at Russia and destabilise it.Its a lomng term aim to get at Ukraine''s and Russia''s resources, democracy and self determination does not even come into it. Its a self serving class against the rest.Well, the report is out, the plane was shot down, but not by a missile fired by East Ukrainians who voted for Independence from Kiev, but by those fascists who are shaping Ukraine''s future and have petroshenko by his balls. Surprised that Sheva did not post this link, being so concerned for the victims of this crime.http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/fm/untitled%20folder/untitled%20folder/PB_MH17_ENG_DEF_met_opmaak.pdf''High energy projectiles'' are not from a randomly breaking up HE fragmenting warhead, but from the barrel of an air to air combat system, very likely a 20/30 mm gun from an ircraft flying nearby.Is it not time to ask Kiev for the full military and civilian records regarding to this disaster and look for deletions on the day.?

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nevermind wrote the following post at 10/09/2014 10:56 AM:

''High energy projectiles'' are not from a randomly breaking up HE fragmenting warhead, but from the barrel of an air to air combat system, very likely a 20/30 mm gun from an aircraft flying nearby.''

It was a ground-to-air missile. You just have to look at the pictures of the damaged plane to see that.

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You have seen the pictures of the damage? Dozens of very different sized puncture marks spread all over the aircraft.

An air-to-air cannon would be lucky to get a couple of hits on target and even then the HE shells would blow up the area hit, rather than the wholescale destructive breaking apart in this case.

Can I ask what you did in the Luftwaffe?

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The abrupt end of data recording surely points to one single, violent explosion rather than a prolonged attack from an aircraft gun. And some of the photos do correspond to the actions of a BUK missile.

"The Buk missile system that Kiev suspects downed the Malaysia Airlines

airliner over rebel-held territory with 298 people on board in July is a

powerful and precise Russian weapon operated by countries such as North

Korea and Syria.

The 700-kilogramme (1,500-pound) surface-to-air missile -- referred to

as the SA-11 Gadfly by NATO -- requires highly trained specialists to

operate that the West believes were smuggled into eastern Ukraine from

Russia.

It works by exploding directly outside the target and hitting it with a massive amount of high-velocity shrapnel."

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To answer your question JG, I used to shoot down planes and no the cockpit was piited with same size impact holes. Thanks for that old hat Herman, it works on the principle that the doppler fails to return to the missile from the plane, cause its next to it, a proximity fuse, used since the 1960''s. There is no proof a Gadfly was used.I leave it up to the Dutch relatives to question the piss poor investigation on site, the delays to send out enough investigators, as Kim Sengupta of the Independent claims, and he was one of the first journo''s on site.

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nevermind wrote the following post at 12/09/2014 7:31 PM:

"There is no proof a Gadfly was used."

But a lot more evidence that one was used over your cannon-fire conspiracy.

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You have seen the pictures just like I have.

I tend to agree with the experts who say that it looks like damage caused by dozens of differently sized and shaped pieces of shrapnel puncturing the aircraft.

It does not look like it was hit by a handful of high explosive shells.

I can see the difference and am not stupid enough to blindly believe whatever crackpot conspiracy theories you subscribe to. You are consistently wrong again and again and you are wrong again on this one.

Just give it a rest why don''t you?

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''The Malaysian aircraft was shot down by Russian soldiers'', most say by mistake but I have yet to hear any stories within Ukraine that it was shot down by Ukrainian aircraft Or even Ukrainian people.....................

We have been told by family and friends within the war zone that thousands of Russian soldiers have been killed Inside of Ukraine, now news agencies are beginning to report this.

The mothers of dead Russian soldiers first brought this news into the open in Russia. Their boys Did not know they were going into Ukraine to fight in many instances and their deaths have been covered up as ''heart'' attacks whilst on training exercises etc.

The figure alone for Russian soldiers who invaded Ukraine and died in fighting, is above 3,500 with many more seriously injured.

Russian government still says No Russian soldiers are fighting in Ukraine, a few went there on holiday!

Afew hundred Ukrainians in the Donbass, are fighting for money and trying to restore a state where the ruling mafia''s scammed the region on a massive scale, non more so the former President and his son + mates. Putin and his Government is working very hard to stir up trouble and keep this war going, without Russian interference , this conflict would have died out a long while ago. people in the Donbass just want their lives back, their homes back and their kids safe, they have no fight with Western Ukraine or where ever, they never took to the streets as in Kiev, they always had to be paid or threatened with losing their jobs,to do so.

Be careful of so called ''Facts'' from weirdo websites, better stick to Reuters ,BBC and Sky unless you know people on the ground there and can trust them.

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Be indeed careful of the facts on the ground and how they are reported by fascists supporters and the BBC. We have seen on the example of the Crimean and Scottish Independence vote how much we can trust these infiltrated news organisations, all purporting to have the interest of the people in mind, when the opposite is true.They are acting on behalf of big money and vested interests who want Russia to cow tow to western interests, if that means Ukrainians killing Ukrainians then that does not matter to them.Their next angle will be to get up Putin''s nose via an attack on Syria and Assad whilst ''looking for Isis''.But its so nice when one has the chance to get away from it all to leafy Suffolk.

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whilst the western media is being told to demonise Putin as a warmonger in a reflection of their own mirror image, nobody dares to give his words the same reflections we attach to the words of puppets such as Cameron.

Just a few paragraphs here from Vlad the Bad’s recent Valdia speech, he says it as it is. This is coming on the background of our systems disintegrating, when our leaders are trying to desperately keep their own interests alive, and that of the 100 billionaires, visa-vis food banks and widespread child poverty.

“Colleagues, given the global situation, it is time to start

agreeing on fundamental things. This is incredibly important and

necessary; this is much better than going back to our own corners. The

more we all face common problems, the more we find ourselves in the same

boat, so to speak. And the logical way out is in cooperation between

nations, societies, in finding collective answers to increasing

challenges, and in joint risk management…

…I will add that international relations must be based on

international law, which itself should rest on moral principles such as

justice, equality and truth. Perhaps most important is respect for one’s

partners and their interests. This is an obvious formula, but simply

following it could radically change the global situation…

…I would like to remind you of the last year’s events. We have told

our American and European partners that hasty backstage decisions, for

example, on Ukraine’s association with the EU, are fraught with serious

risks to the economy. We didn’t even say anything about politics; we

spoke only about the economy, saying that such steps, made without any

prior arrangements, touch on the interests of many other nations,

including Russia as Ukraine’s main trade partner, and that a wide

discussion of the issues is necessary. Incidentally, in this regard, I

will remind you that, for example, the talks on Russia’s accession to

the WTO lasted 19 years. This was very difficult work, and a certain

consensus was reached…

…Why am I bringing this up? Because in implementing Ukraine’s

association project, our partners would come to us with their goods and

services through the back gate, so to speak, and we did not agree to

this, nobody asked us about this. We had discussions on all topics

related to Ukraine’s association with the EU, persistent discussions,

but I want to stress that this was done in an entirely civilised manner,

indicating possible problems, showing the obvious reasoning and

arguments. Nobody wanted to listen to us and nobody wanted to talk. They

simply told us: this is none of your business, point, end of

discussion. Instead of a comprehensive but – I stress – civilised

dialogue, it all came down to a government overthrow; they plunged the

country into chaos, into economic and social collapse, into a civil war

with enormous casualties…

…Why? When I ask my colleagues why, they no longer have an answer;

nobody says anything. That’s it. Everyone’s at a loss, saying it just

turned out that way. Those actions should not have been encouraged – it

wouldn’t have worked. After all (I already spoke about this), former

Ukrainian President Yanukovych signed everything, agreed with

everything. Why do it? What was the point? What is this, a civilised way

of solving problems? Apparently, those who constantly throw together

new ‘colour revolutions’ consider themselves ‘brilliant artists’ and

simply cannot stop…

…I will add that we would also have welcomed the start of a concrete

dialogue between the Eurasian and European Union. Incidentally, they

have almost completely refused us this as well, and it is also unclear

why – what is so scary about it?

…And, of course, with such joint work, we would think that we need to

engage in dialogue (I spoke about this many times and heard agreement

from many of our western partners, at least in Europe) on the need to

create a common space for economic and humanitarian cooperation

stretching all the way from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean…”

…Colleagues, Russia made its choice. Our priorities are further

improving our democratic and open economy institutions, accelerated

internal development, taking into account all the positive modern trends

in the world, and consolidating society based on traditional values and

patriotism…

…We have an integration-oriented, positive, peaceful agenda; we are

working actively with our colleagues in the Eurasian Economic Union, the

Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, BRICS and other partners. This

agenda is aimed at developing ties between governments, not

dissociating. We are not planning to cobble together any blocs or get

involved in an exchange of blows…

…The allegations and statements that Russia is trying to establish

some sort of empire, encroaching on the sovereignty of its neighbours,

are groundless. Russia does not need any kind of special, exclusive

place in the world – I want to emphasise this. While respecting the

interests of others, we simply want for our own interests to be taken

into account and for our position to be respected…

…We are well aware that the world has entered an era of changes and

global transformations, when we all need a particular degree of caution,

the ability to avoid thoughtless steps. In the years after the Cold

War, participants in global politics lost these qualities somewhat. Now,

we need to remember them. Otherwise, hopes for a peaceful, stable

development will be a dangerous illusion, while today’s turmoil will

simply serve as a prelude to the collapse of world order…

…Yes, of course, I have already said that building a more

stable world order is a difficult task. We are talking about long and

hard work. We were able to develop rules for interaction after World War

II, and we were able to reach an agreement in Helsinki in the 1970s.

Our common duty is to resolve this fundamental challenge at this new

stage of development.

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Academi mercenaries are busy propping up Kievs forces bombing the Dombass and Donetzk region. Massgraves of civilians have been found, victims of Kievs right wing sector Svoboda and those who still think that a proxy war by US mercenaries can have success.There are many people in the world agreeing with Putin, they are not in his pocket either and the real story behind the MH17 downing is now coming out, i.e. that a military plane has shot it out of the sky.http://www.newsweek.com/mh17-prosecutor-open-theory-another-plane-shot-down-airliner-der-spiegel-280073

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The best thing that could happen to the region would be for the west to stop interfering but above all stop the EU from poking its nose in.

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