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1- Leeds have had as much upheaval as us yet seem to have progressed beyond us- why?

2- Bielsa has his time playing his system from day one- why does Farke apparently need years to achieve that?

3- how depressing is it that we can''t compete with the apparent best in this league?

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The difference is their manager has a simple system defend well and break fast. I don''t know for the life of me what our system is. We do have some good players who should be doing better and some bad players who shouldn''t be playing at all now ie pinto and krul

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1) Well, they have pretty much the same 11 as from last season. Dont they also have much of the same sports science, medical staff etc?

2) Bielsa is better.

3) Leeds were better than us in all areas of the field today and deserved to win but, yet again, after a bright start we conceded thanks to an individual GK error. Until that point, where Leeds gained confidence, we competed well.

I guess the main concern is when it went 2-0 we never looked like scoring despite the fact we were dangerous ish from set pieces.

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@hoegsar

They''re on their third manager since Farke arrived and overhauled their squad last season. Yet they finished above us last season and look highly likely to this season.

We''ve had so many excuses made for Farke and why we''re still a bit shit over a year since he joined, yet other teams seem to manage fine.

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Oh I understand but if you wanna change manager every 5 minutes and you then have the club pull plus the finances to get someone like Bielsa then thats fine.

But equally doing it our way weve been in the prem several times whilst theyve been trying to strike gold. Certainly looks like they have done this time.

One concern where i will agree re Farke is the opening 20 minutes we probably played Farkes brand of football as best as our players are capable of doing so. Yet Leeds run out 3-0 winners.

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Let''s be honest- any of the three Leeds managers have achieved more than Farke so far yet two have binned off. The excuses are running out, a half decent manager doesn''t need 2 seasons to get up and running. He''s a fraud right now.

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Anyone defending today or the decline in our 1st team is either not facing facts or is happy with 2nd best.

If you sell your best 3 players and replace with players not as good its pretty obvious this would be the result. Take no pleasure in this at all but to be successful in this league you have to have investment. With it you are not guaranteed success but without it you are guaranteed not to be able to compete at the level needed.

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"One concern where i will agree re Farke is the opening 20 minutes we probably played Farkes brand of football as best as our players are capable of doing so."

Christ, if that''s the case we really are in incredibly deep poo.

20 minutes of playing Farke''s brand of football to the best of our player''s ability and not one single shot on goal.

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[quote user="Mike "]Anyone defending today or the decline in our 1st team is either not facing facts or is happy with 2nd best.

If you sell your best 3 players and replace with players not as good its pretty obvious this would be the result. Take no pleasure in this at all but to be successful in this league you have to have investment. With it you are not guaranteed success but without it you are guaranteed not to be able to compete at the level needed.[/quote]
oh dear
we had our budget cut by £30m this summer
please explain why so many other clubs who have ran out of parachute money are still out of the PL .... and even out of the Championship in some cases
perhaps you would be good enough to offer an explanation before your next whine

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This is football we had alittle moment in the sun, now it''s our turn to struggle abit. Just like they have.

The big question is not why do they appear to be heading in the right direction, but how quickly and by what means can we turn around our current decline so we don''t have to plummet the depths they did and can start building again to something positive.

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1- Leeds have had as much upheaval as us yet seem to have progressed beyond us- why?

Leeds have a net spend in two seasons of 30 million, and yes they have added to their squad this year, Bamford &Douglas with three quality loans in Barker, Harrison and Blackman.

2- Bielsa has his time playing his system from day one- why does Farke apparently need years to achieve that?

Quality of players and player turnover here has been very restrictive on Farke. We’ve sold 60 million pounds worth of players in the same time Leeds spent net 30 million.

3- how depressing is it that we can''t compete with the apparent best in this league?

Not really, we’ve just undergone a huge transformation from set up, finances and players, we’re not in the same league with quality of player as Leeds.

To be honest, we’ve had a few successful years while Leeds struggled, now it’s their turn, every dog has its day. You want to be Leeds then we need rich owners to pump in 30 million over three seasons.

I enjoyed the game for what it was, we looked good going forward in the first 25 minutes, then went behind to pretty much their first meaningful attack then there was only ever one team to win!

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[quote user="Ben"]
[quote user="Mike "]Anyone defending today or the decline in our 1st team is either not facing facts or is happy with 2nd best.

If you sell your best 3 players and replace with players not as good its pretty obvious this would be the result. Take no pleasure in this at all but to be successful in this league you have to have investment. With it you are not guaranteed success but without it you are guaranteed not to be able to compete at the level needed.[/quote]
oh dear
we had our budget cut by £30m this summer
please explain why so many other clubs who have ran out of parachute money are still out of the PL .... and even out of the Championship in some cases
perhaps you would be good enough to offer an explanation before your next whine
[/quote] the wage bill was drastically cut and £39mil of revenue brought in, with an outgoing of £4mil. The club is so shockingly run, it shouldn’t have come to this. £59mil profit in just over two years on player sales and naff all spent is beyond embarrassing. Delia needs to get lost or this club is in massive sh1t

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[quote user="Ben"]
[quote user="Mike "]Anyone defending today or the decline in our 1st team is either not facing facts or is happy with 2nd best.

If you sell your best 3 players and replace with players not as good its pretty obvious this would be the result. Take no pleasure in this at all but to be successful in this league you have to have investment. With it you are not guaranteed success but without it you are guaranteed not to be able to compete at the level needed.[/quote]
oh dear
we had our budget cut by £30m this summer
please explain why so many other clubs who have ran out of parachute money are still out of the PL .... and even out of the Championship in some cases
perhaps you would be good enough to offer an explanation before your next whine
[/quote]

And who is responsible for the £30m budget cuts? The fans? Villa... we are a mess.. anyone but the most blind can see that.

4 wins in 21 ... oh dear indeed

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[quote user="Mike "][quote user="Ben"]
[quote user="Mike "]Anyone defending today or the decline in our 1st team is either not facing facts or is happy with 2nd best.

If you sell your best 3 players and replace with players not as good its pretty obvious this would be the result. Take no pleasure in this at all but to be successful in this league you have to have investment. With it you are not guaranteed success but without it you are guaranteed not to be able to compete at the level needed.[/quote]
oh dear
we had our budget cut by £30m this summer
please explain why so many other clubs who have ran out of parachute money are still out of the PL .... and even out of the Championship in some cases
perhaps you would be good enough to offer an explanation before your next whine
[/quote]

And who is responsible for the £30m budget cuts? The fans? Villa... we are a mess.. anyone but the most blind can see that.

4 wins in 21 ... oh dear indeed[/quote]

Ben,

What do you think we need to do and are you happy with the current performance of the team? How do you think we stop this decline?

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Indy wrote the following post at 26/08/2018 5:19 AM:

''I enjoyed the game for what it was, we looked good going forward in the first 25 minutes, then went behind to pretty much their first meaningful attack then there was only ever one team to win!''

And this is exactly what is wrong with some sections of our supporters. How could any Norwich City Football Club supporter enjoy any part of a game where we lose 3-0 at home to Leeds???

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As I’ve said for the past few seasons and my main reason for ditching my season I haven’t been enjoying the match day and fallen out of love with watching football at Carrow Road.

I’d love to see a change of ownership after 22 seasons of our saint, just to freshen things up and give the club a new lease of life. It’s quite embarrassing to still hear leads fans sing “lets be avin you” it’s not Norwich City anymore it’s Delia’s Norwich.

But since ditching the season ticket the matches I go to I’ve enjoyed, yesterday was no exception, it’s never good to lose but we’re not in the same class as leads as pointed out by the calibration of squads and the levels of investment.

If you can accept what’s going on with our club, as there’s absolutely nothing which can be done for the time being regarding ownership, simply changing managers hasn’t worked, AN was shite, Farke might not be any better, but we aren’t going to get any decent manager and those wanting Lambert back need to look at his record since leaving us!

As I said I went hoping for a win, we played some decent football going forward, we can’t defend very well and our midfield pairing of Leitner & Trybull aren’t as good as a lot of people think, we have a decent mid table squad, so align your expectations to this and you might enjoy the game but not the result. You can’t win them all with this team and set up.

This is Norwich City at the moment, not sure a simple change of manager can turn us into a promotion chasing side, maybe 39 million in the next three seasons might help?

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[quote user="canarydan23"]20 minutes of playing Farke''s brand of football to the best of our player''s ability and not one single shot on goal.[/quote]That''s not true though even if it''s not fully reflected in the pure stats, we had at least 2-3 shots in that first 20 mins which looked absolutely goalbound, only for a Leeds defender to throw themselves in the way with a desperate last ditch lunge and do enough to get the block, but obviously these are not counted as shots on target in the details.
That first 20 minutes, we absolutely pi$$ed all over Leeds, they didn''t know if they were coming or going, we were carving through them at pace and with relative ease and really should have been at least 1-0 up before their inevitable goal from their first meangingful attempt of the game changed everything.

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The statistics are the point in this instance though Indy. Normally, I’d agree that the stats only tell part of the story. But when you’re seeemingly playing as well as you probably can, and you still can’t actually force the keeper to make a save it’s very concerning.

There is an argument that it’s the players not the tactic, which could be true if we’re dominating but not capitalising.

However, the collapse after the first was a bit embarrassing at home and the woeful lack of organisation at the back is the manager/coaches’ fault.

If we can’t score goals, we need to change the tactic so we don’t let them in.

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There''s a reason blocked shots aren''t counted as on target.

At the end of the day, what some are calling our best phase of play under Farke did not result in a single clear cut chance of the opposing keeper needing to make a single save.

That, to me at least, is a deeply troubling fact.

Goals, not possession or fancy passes, are the only currency that matters. You need to shots on target to get goals. Farke still appears to be struggling with that concept. It''s worrying how little he appears to be learning and adapting to this league.

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I totally appreciate that factor CD23, but the difference between the keeper being able to make a save or not wasn''t tested as they managed to get those last ditch blocks in to prevent it happening, but that doesn''t mean we didn''t create chances, but that we''re just not converting enough of what we do make too often.
It''s definitely troubling at the minute, and I was annoyed at how isolated Rhodes seemed yesterday for most of the game, especially our lack of width on the right compared to Onel on the left.

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