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The media do not help and scare people

Europe needs a good deal just as much as we need one its not all one sided

our military for one the best in the world also our intelligence service best in the world that leaves with us,

also talk about harder to travel that''s rubbish better close all those hotels in spain then !

flower / lettuce growers in holland are in trouble

cheese / wine makers in france will go broke without the uk market

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Ok then NNG, show us some authoritative facts/research to back up any of the statements you’ve made. I won’t go any further on this though since this argument should be on the EU thread.

However, would those saying Delia should be in Nottingham like to tell us how many club owners attend a higher proportion of matches than Delia and Michael? Not those “stinking rich Chinese” owners that some want for sure.

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I''m proud of her. Someone who believes passionately in something and prepared to stand by it and as a ''celebrity'' for people to take a pop at her. As she states herself she cannot trust politicians to negotiate Brexit. How can the UK negotiate with the EU when this government cannot even negotiate with itself. It''s the worst crisis since Trump and the biggest decision since WW2. She is right saying that missing a Norwich game rather than missing such a protest is not an option. So, I may have other ideas about ownership from time to time but overall I want her continued involvement. On matters of her stated personal politics, concern for others etc. I''m completely supportive.

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"In a democratic country we allow free speech. Unfortunately, this woman is speaking to overthrow democracy. She has over-stepped the line."

I doubt it''s for the reasons you intended, this might just be the greatest thing posted on the PinkUn. Thank you RTB, thank you so much.

I was suspicious from several of your EU thread posts that you were a parody. Now you''ve confirmed it. Really well played all these months. After thinking you were a little bit of a dick, I quite like you now.

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I voted to stay in and was gutted that we left but now the last thing we need is another referendum. That would, in my opinion, give rise to even more extreme right wing groups & people like Farage & this backers.

We need a general election and a new set on MPs to deliver an acceptable solution for us & the EU.

As for Delia, fair play, she has every right to demonstrate, I just won''t be joining her.

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Delia went up another notch in my estimation.

A passionate owner of our club who campaigns to bring some sense to this Brexit mess by asking for another vote.

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She spoke out with Balls before the referendum against leaving the EU, and may have swung some due to her celebrity.  It made no difference to the outcome and we leave on March 29th.
This meeting will make no difference to the outcome as she lost the argument, just as Balls and all remainers did.  People who don''t accept the result of a democratic vote are anarchists and will unfortunately reap what they sow.

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The anarchists are not the Remainers but the Brexiteer liars who mislead the public with lies about the NHS getting millions more a week etc, all being backed up by the predominately right wing press.

Delia is speaking up for democracy and as said in a previous post there are sometimes things there are more important things in life than going to a football match..

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People who don''t accept the result of a democratic vote are anarchists and will unfortunately reap what they sow.

Like what?

If it really is a done deal then why are you bothering to reply to posts from remainers?

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That ''anarchists'' comment is certainly among the more odd that I''ve seen on here: is it not the general idea that there''s an Opposition to oppose and offer an alternative view/opinion? If you just have to bow your head and agree with whatever, we might as well not have elections at all.

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[quote user="Mike "]I voted to stay in and was gutted that we left but now the last thing we need is another referendum. That would, in my opinion, give rise to even more extreme right wing groups & people like Farage & this backers.

We need a general election and a new set on MPs to deliver an acceptable solution for us & the EU.

As for Delia, fair play, she has every right to demonstrate, I just won''t be joining her.[/quote]
when was that. i must have missed it
I shall be there (currently in Tunbridge Wells) blowing my trumpet* as we march around Jericho
Do I want a second referendum ?
If it serves the final act of a stake driven through the rotten heart of brexit, then yes
As a delusion that the lawful democratic process can be bypassed then definitely not
So why march ?
Well to add my voice to those who recognise what a total lunacy the idea of leaving the EU is, never mind putting it into practice - and to join in common purpose with positive folk who don''t, it would seem, judge others by their skin colour, race, creed or whatever facets of their being are supposed to define them.
And to oppose the hatred and bigotry that stunk out those same streets a week ago, as I''ll decide who I get on with, not some billionaire newspaper owner, nor some old Etonian whose has achieved far call other than to pop out of the right womb.
From Tolpuddle to freeborn John, Peterloo to the Poll Tax protests and marching against the CJB to the Chartists marches this country has seen folk prepared to fight for their rights and fight to keep them once won. None of which were gained by doffing your cap to your so called betters.
Look up your own local history and read up about those who strove to improve the lot of Norfolk farmworkers
"In many of our villages, a man who joins a trade union is worthy of the

Victoria Cross that''s won on a battlefield. In many villages he dare

not be known to be a member of the union. But to be a branch secretary!

That is to risk one''s livelihood every day in the week"
Your own history, not the guff many spout out on here.
Maybe then some of the brexiteers might get off their knees and stop doffing their cap. Master doesn''t know best, but he knows there''s still enough back sliders and gutless folk to do his dirty work for him. That''s why he lives in the big house and why despite all your snivellin'' and crawling you never will.
*yes it will be my own, what else

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[quote user="Bill"]

[quote user="Mike "]I voted to stay in and was gutted that we left but now the last thing we need is another referendum. That would, in my opinion, give rise to even more extreme right wing groups & people like Farage & this backers.

We need a general election and a new set on MPs to deliver an acceptable solution for us & the EU.

As for Delia, fair play, she has every right to demonstrate, I just won''t be joining her.[/quote]
when was that. i must have missed it
I shall be there (currently in Tunbridge Wells) blowing my trumpet* as we march around Jericho
Do I want a second referendum ?
If it serves the final act of a stake driven through the rotten heart of brexit, then yes
As a delusion that the lawful democratic process can be bypassed then definitely not
So why march ?
Well to add my voice to those who recognise what a total lunacy the idea of leaving the EU is, never mind putting it into practice - and to join in common purpose with positive folk who don''t, it would seem, judge others by their skin colour, race, creed or whatever facets of their being are supposed to define them.
And to oppose the hatred and bigotry that stunk out those same streets a week ago, as I''ll decide who I get on with, not some billionaire newspaper owner, nor some old Etonian whose has achieved far call other than to pop out of the right womb.
From Tolpuddle to freeborn John, Peterloo to the Poll Tax protests and marching against the CJB to the Chartists marches this country has seen folk prepared to fight for their rights and fight to keep them once won. None of which were gained by doffing your cap to your so called betters.
Look up your own local history and read up about those who strove to improve the lot of Norfolk farmworkers
"In many of our villages, a man who joins a trade union is worthy of the

Victoria Cross that''s won on a battlefield. In many villages he dare

not be known to be a member of the union. But to be a branch secretary!

That is to risk one''s livelihood every day in the week"
Your own history, not the guff many spout out on here.
Maybe then some of the brexiteers might get off their knees and stop doffing their cap. Master doesn''t know best, but he knows there''s still enough back sliders and gutless folk to do his dirty work for him. That''s why he lives in the big house and why despite all your snivellin'' and crawling you never will.
*yes it will be my own, what else
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Many on the left including Dennis Skinner voted leave... The vast majority are not racist or bigots. A minority yes... Gutted we voted to leave but you knew that is what I meant.

Another referendum would heighten the already massive split in our society. General election is the way we can get real change.

I know my history very well thanks as my educational achievements prove.

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It''s also for disaffected Leave voters Mike.If you voted Leave and can''t see any of the promises you were made being upheld then come along and show you are not happy with the way the government has handled this. Will a vote on the deal solve anything? Do we have time? Who knows?! But the time for sitting back and letting this shambles carry on without saying anything is over. Have a good day to anyone that is going to London and bring back 3 points for anyone going to cheer on City[Y]
Anyway here''s a handy guide to today''s proceedings from the, er, Daily Mail.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6294691/Brexit-Peoples-Vote-UK-march-route-start-point-time-more.html[/url]

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[quote user="paul moy"]
She spoke out with Balls before the referendum against leaving the EU, and may have swung some due to her celebrity.  It made no difference to the outcome and we leave on March 29th.
This meeting will make no difference to the outcome as she lost the argument, just as Balls and all remainers did.  People who don''t accept the result of a democratic vote are anarchists and will unfortunately reap what they sow.
[/quote]

Do you think of another generation who will vote us back into the EU in 25 years time as anarchists?

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[quote user="Herman"]
It''s also for disaffected Leave voters Mike.If you voted Leave and can''t see any of the promises you were made being upheld then come along and show you are not happy with the way the government has handled this. Will a vote on the deal solve anything? Do we have time? Who knows?! But the time for sitting back and letting this shambles carry on without saying anything is over. Have a good day to anyone that is going to London and bring back 3 points for anyone going to cheer on City[Y]
Anyway here''s a handy guide to today''s proceedings from the, er, Daily Mail.
[url]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6294691/Brexit-Peoples-Vote-UK-march-route-start-point-time-more.html[/url]
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Promises are not being kept because we are being lead by pessimistic remainers with no positive Brexit vision, intent on undermining the democratic will of the people to leave the EU in its entirety, many because they have vested interests in the EU gravy train such as massive unjustifiable pensions and farm subsidies.
Only a remainer would agree to pay over 39 Billion to the EU that we have no legal duty to pay
Only a remainer would take over a year to trigger Article 50
Only a remainer would leave preparations for a No Deal Brexit until the very last minute
Only a remainer would allow negotiations to go on for so long without issuing an ultimatum to the EU
Only a remainer would accept constant humiliation by the arrogant EU
Only a remainer would even consider extending the implementation period into a new EU accounting period that will cost us billions more that is better spent on UK services.
Only remainers would constantly promote ridiculous negative propaganda to scare British people into accepting a bad deal.
Only a remainer would try to remain in any way attached and under control in any way by the dictatorial EU.
Only a remainer would constantly promote a bad deal such as chequers against all advice to drop it.
Only a remainer would be scared to leave the EU.
Only a remainer would ignore the free trade deal offered by Tusk that would free us to do other trade deals.
Only a remainer would constantly back the EU in their aim to use the Irish border issue to block Brexit and shuts down anybody that promotes a viable solution. 

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Rather than attempting to subvert a clear democratic mandate that some of the more self-righteous posters on here seem to want to do, I will be cheering-on the lads at Forest.

As for the current Brexit negotiations, thanks to an utterly ineffectual PM they are an utter shambles. Far better to leave with no deal, accept a period of turbulence, and then negotiate a trade deal with the EU from the outside and from a position of strength rather than currently where they seem to have us over a barrel.

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Far better to leave with no deal, accept a period of turbulence,

That is just more leave speculation.

How long will this period be? You can''t say in reality. And how much turbulence? You can''t say in reality.

You may be totally wrong and it goes completely smoothly. But we can''t say in reality.

In other words, we took a vote not knowing the outcome of a leave verdict.

And before anyone produces speeches, graphs, Trumps tweets and WRM''s pontifications, I refuse to accept that you or anyone else knows and can prove what life will be like from 29 March 2019.

It is just opinion and wishes.

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[quote user="keelansgrandad"]Far better to leave with no deal, accept a period of turbulence,

That is just more leave speculation.

How long will this period be? You can''t say in reality. And how much turbulence? You can''t say in reality.

You may be totally wrong and it goes completely smoothly. But we can''t say in reality.

In other words, we took a vote not knowing the outcome of a leave verdict.

And before anyone produces speeches, graphs, Trumps tweets and WRM''s pontifications, I refuse to accept that you or anyone else knows and can prove what life will be like from 29 March 2019.

It is just opinion and wishes.[/quote]
It won''t go smoothly because the EU will do all that they can to make us regret leaving, as they want to discourage others from leaving the gravy train, but that is all the more reason to leave. We should have faith in ourselves to thrive in the big wide world, being the fifth largest economy, and not succumb to EU coercion, blackmail and threats.
Under WTO regulations no member is allowed to act in a way that discriminates against another member regarding trade so there are limited ways in which the EU can try to hurt us.
They could ground flights, slow down border checks etc, as remoaners have suggested in their scaremongering, but we must be prepared to act similarly in retaliation if necessary.
That is why we need a new leader and not the remoaner that May is, in order to get nasty if we need to, as that is clearly all that the EU will respect and understand. Being nice will not get us a good deal as May has proved.
Short-term pain, long-term gain  !!

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[quote user="sonyc"]I''m proud of her. Someone who believes passionately in something and prepared to stand by it and as a ''celebrity'' for people to take a pop at her.
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Fortunately for us, beliveing passionately in something is not justification for following a particular course of action, otherwise we would just end up trying to show who is more passionate than the next person. Even some of the most monstrous persons feel passionate about the evil thay they do. Fortunately again, we tend to listen to the arguments put forward, put forward our own arguements (even if that means you seem to be having a pop at someone). In fact, if passion for a subject is so important to you then it''s only possible to ''have a pop'' at someone because they are not basing an argument on fact or logic but on passion along. It''s a good thing that emotions get popped in an argument, then you can get down to the facts.
[quote user="sonyc"]
As she states herself she cannot trust politicians to negotiate Brexit. How can the UK negotiate with the EU when this government cannot even negotiate with itself.
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We have a process in this country for dealing with politicians that we can''t trust. That''s why I mentioned the importance of democracy. Now if this protest in London were to protest about the Government and asking the Government to resign and hold a General Election, then that would be a very valid and a very democratic form of protest, and one with which I would agree. But it isn''t. The protest is designed to overturn a process that resulted from the referendum. A process to leave the eu that everyone accepted at the time the referendum was announced, and that the Government at that time said they would execute. Before June 2016, nobody said we shouldn''t uphold the decision of the referendum. It was only after the result of the referendum became know did a large section of the country decide they wouldn''t accept the result. That my friend, is anarchy. And our foolish owner of the club has bought into that anarchy. She has over-stepped the line.
[quote user="sonyc"]
It''s the worst crisis since Trump and the biggest decision since WW2.
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Hyperbole much? Actually, the US is doing extremely well in economic terms since Trump became President. The mid-term elections will probably return a Republican majority, foreign policy successes in places like North Korea and no blind rushing into further wars, unlike his predecessor Obama, means that the US is getting back on the right track. But this is not a discussion about Trump even you somehow wanted to throw that out there for some reason.
[quote user="sonyc"]
She is right saying that missing a Norwich game rather than missing such a protest is not an option. So, I may have other ideas about ownership from time to time but overall I want her continued involvement. On matters of her stated personal politics, concern for others etc. I''m completely supportive.[/quote]
She''s quite entitled to miss a game or two when it doesn''t have an effect on the running of the club. And though I don''t agree with her politics I think we are extremely lucky to have Delia and Michael as owners, since keeping NCFC as a community club is far more important than seeing us as a struggling minnow in the Premier League.
Although I''ve never had a political discussion with Delia, I suspect like most Champagne Socialists they are guided by guilt of the privilege that their wealth brings them and by the feeling that they must be superior in thought to the average person on the street since their wealth gives them access to better education and to a wider range of experiences.
But don''t be fooled by ideas that they are guided by concern and compassion for others. If, as socialists, they really cared about others, they would be creating charitable organisations to channel their wealth to the needy. Taking part in a protest to overthrow the democratic vote of over 17 million people isn''t demonstrating concern for others, it demonstrates complete arrogance that their vote is somehow more important than your vote.

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Short-term pain, long-term gain !!

EU awkwardness to us is overstated. They will want to continue to trade with us hassle free. Nobody wants anything held up anymore.

Crikey I ordered a new all singing all dancing TV from AO at 5.20pm and it was delivered 17 hours to Cornwall.

Commerce doesn''t work that way anymore. And all EU countries will want what we sell them asap.

And that is from a remainer. Leaver bull about the EU and intransigence doesn''t hold any water.

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This is no different to any other "rally" when things aren''t going your way.

We had a vote. Lots of people didn''t know the issues and both sides lied. Same as any General Election - we don''t try to overturn those do we? But the opposition hold rallies and try to rubbish whatever the Govt is doing. It''s just politics.

In true historical terms, our period of 40 odd years in an economic union with some other European countries will barely warrant a mention; it will be a mere footnote when future generations consider the 20th century.

Freedom of movement is the over-riding story of the century and the start of the 21st, and that will not stop whatever club we are or are not members of. Anyone who thinks coming out of the EU will have any long term impact on the movement of people around the globe is delusional.

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If you see it on the news look out for a man with very large feet, a red nose and a trumpet.

He will we standing on his own.

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3 hrs from Hyde Park to Trafalgar Square. Still Whitehall to go. Hundreds of thousands of people here. Well done.

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