Striker rumour (guess where he's from ...)

[BobLoz3 492]

Seems to be more chance of him going to a Bundesliga team now. That''s what I read earlier. Wouldn''t be surprised if he didn''t want to come here. As soon as it was announced, Facebook pages etc. were awash with nonsense such as,"Ohhh naaaooowwww.... How awful... Another German player!!"Among other classics such as,"I have no idea who this lad is but...lower league German player... He''s going to be useless like Dennis"Quite an unfathomable reaction, considering they admitted they had no idea who he was yet still decided to slate him.Guess it shouldn''t surprise me...

[Mike 0]

Its a risk taking a player from another country & in a lower league & asking him to fill a big big problem, where as buying a player with a proven record, I would say is much less of a risk.

Simple logic really...

[Haggerdoo 6]

[quote user="Mike "]Its a risk taking a player from another country & in a lower league & asking him to fill a big big problem, where as buying a player with a proven record, I would say is much less of a risk.

Simple logic really...[/quote]

Trouble is you need money to do the latter and we don''t have much of that

[BobLoz3 492]

[quote user="Mike "]Its a risk taking a player from another country & in a lower league & asking him to fill a big big problem, where as buying a player with a proven record, I would say is much less of a risk.

Simple logic really...[/quote]I agree... Point is that none of us have any idea of our transfers, who we''re looking at and who will come/who will go. It''s just speculation up to this point. Drucksch just happens to be a name that has been mentioned and strongly linked, I am merely commenting upon the reaction to a signing we don''t even know is even happening!One thing is reasonably clear. Buying a ''proven'' striker from the English leagues is probably out of our reach in terms of cost and wages.Ross McCormack anyone?? [:D]

[sonyc 5,492]

Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.

[BobLoz3 492]

[quote user="sonyc"]Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.[/quote]A sensible comment?? My goodness... that''s a turn up for the books on here! [;)]

[Guest]

After the hype, hope and deflation of the RVW signing, I cannot see how anyone can judge whether it will/would be a good signing. If we go by stats then Akinfenwa would be a good signing!

And I don''t want to see more foreign players coming into our league. It isn''t xenophobic or racist. It is a desire to see young players from our own clubs been given a chance.

The money at our level down must not keep going to foreign clubs or else we will see the demise of football clubs just the same as high street shops. Maddison has shown that given faith and trust, gems can be found in the lower leagues.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

[quote user="sonyc"]Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.[/quote]

An improvement on Dennis Srbenny i will give you that but he would be replacing Oliveira, a full Portuguese international so hardly a major improvement on paper.

[BobLoz3 492]

[quote user="keelansgrandad"]After the hype, hope and deflation of the RVW signing, I cannot see how anyone can judge whether it will/would be a good signing. If we go by stats then Akinfenwa would be a good signing!

And I don''t want to see more foreign players coming into our league. It isn''t xenophobic or racist. It is a desire to see young players from our own clubs been given a chance.

The money at our level down must not keep going to foreign clubs or else we will see the demise of football clubs just the same as high street shops. Maddison has shown that given faith and trust, gems can be found in the lower leagues.[/quote]Yes, I understand that we need to develop our own youth in this country but QUITE sure that is happening all over the place. The issue with trying to sign young British players (or British players in general) is that they cost exorbitant amounts of money for the most part. This is usually ''justified'' by the fact that it''s a British based player, they''re young and have potential (like Maddison). He came to us for about 3 million (probably won;t be spending that on an experienced player now, no matter where they''re from), when we could take a bit of a gamble as we were in the Premier League. He still got sent out on loan. Twice. Then we all know what happened. The difference with him is that he was a kid who was hyped and then eventually lived up to it. Many don''t.The contradiction here, as you can see, is people saying "we want young British players" but these young players still, for the most part, don''t get a chance with their parent club for a couple of seasons. Then they say "we need our striker/defender/midfielder problem sorted quickly!" [:^)] Sorry, but most young players aren''t going to do that as they need time to settle, grow, learn etc. Of course, you could argue the other way and say that a foreign based player, performing well in a different league, would need time to acclimatise to British football. Fine. That''s fair enough. However, they aren''t as much of a risk financially and because they are more experienced they tend to get on with it. That''s where we are now.We are trying to develop our own players, as is every other club. But we can''t wave a wand and all of a sudden make them better/get older/bulk up a bit/acclimatise to the rigours of men''s football.Patience is key, I think. But as we all know, footall fans don''t have much of that!

[hogesar 9,618]

[quote user="Jim Smith"][quote user="sonyc"]Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.[/quote]

An improvement on Dennis Srbenny i will give you that but he would be replacing Oliveira, a full Portuguese international so hardly a major improvement on paper.[/quote]

I''m not sure we''re looking for improvements on paper. If we could achieve improvements on the pitch then that would be great and in the striking department that wouldn''t look to be a massively difficult thing to achieve (baring in mind Oliveira has been a stroppy tw*t for the majority of the season with multiple disciplinary issues and on top of that decided he couldn''t be f*cked to run in half the games).

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="Jim Smith"][quote user="sonyc"]Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.[/quote]

An improvement on Dennis Srbenny i will give you that but he would be replacing Oliveira, a full Portuguese international so hardly a major improvement on paper.[/quote]

I''m not sure we''re looking for improvements on paper. If we could achieve improvements on the pitch then that would be great and in the striking department that wouldn''t look to be a massively difficult thing to achieve (baring in mind Oliveira has been a stroppy tw*t for the majority of the season with multiple disciplinary issues and on top of that decided he couldn''t be f*cked to run in half the games).

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I think Jim is right. Judging on paper in this case is the valid way to go. And if we are talking about replacing a full Portuguese international striker then there is a full Dutch international striker who I gather is available whose on-paper record is pretty damned good, with just a few entirely understandable exceptions.

[Big Vince 318]

The Suffolk Socialists should sell the club to a sheikh so that we can buy one of the best strikers in the world.

No rocket science in that.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Big Vince"]The Suffolk Socialists should sell the club to a sheikh...[/quote]It''s all that sheikhing that makes you ''BIG'' Vinnie. [:D]

[Bill 1,788]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Big Vince"]The Suffolk Socialists should sell the club to a sheikh...[/quote]It''s all that sheikhing that makes you ''BIG'' Vinnie. [:D]

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I had one of those Shake Rattlen Rolls once

Not as good, but a lot warmer than the Sausage Rolls served in the South Stand

[Mike 0]

[quote user="sonyc"]Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.[/quote]

Possibly xenophobic? Please explain what and who you mean...

[Mike 0]

[quote user="sonyc"]Incredible reading comments which are very ill-informed, possibly xenophobic but then why think that the club is being progressive? This bloke is certainly a major improvement on our existing striker complement. If this interest is any guide to our ambition I will be pleased. Maybe the deal is not yet over but with Bundesliga serious interest then it could be moribund.[/quote]

I would say our experience with RVW shows how you can not be certain that a player who has not played in the league we are in, is going to be good enough. However, someone proven with a track record, is more likely to be successful. The guy we are linked with would, on paper, be a good back up in my opinion.

As for the money, if we get £20m for Maddison would you not hope a chunk of that goes to strengthening the striking options?

Anyone, by the way, that thinks this is xenophobic is a moron.

[king canary 7,580]

@Hoegsar

Thing is, unless SonyC is watching a lot of German second division football, all we can go is ''on paper.'' The idea he is ''certainly an improvement on what we already have'' is probably no less of a guess than if someone said ''he won''t be good enough.''

[sonyc 5,492]

I was responding to BobLoz''s comments Mike (just after his post) and what has been talked about on various social media (FB being main source). And of course I get the point about he RVW experience. I also mentioned in an earlier post that I did have some (corroborating?) information about this lad as my son sees a lot of German league 1 and 2 matches and is very impressed we are linked to him, let alone made an approach.

I am sceptical. Again, if you read some social media folk (and unlike often here...a few posters excluded) there are sources given. It doesn''t appear this is dead yet. Depends I suppose on actual Bundesliga 1 interest materialising.

He is a tall lad, who has an all-round game. Like a few posters here I would love to see anyone with great attitude at our club. Someone like Maddison, or Zimermann for example. I like ''tryers'', people who give their all for the yellow and green. This bloke linked seems to fit that mould from what I''ve heard (first hand). I don''t bother to post on player rumours without some background (the other one was before we signed Snodgrass for example).

[sonyc 5,492]

Oh, and thanks for indicating I''m a moron Mike. Then you may say you didn''t? It''s standard fare on this forum ....people being very personal. And a good reason for me not to post very much. Like others, you just get abuse. It''s a scourge of modern life. People who appear to have a different view are seen as a threat. I find this sad. We all want a similar thing yet cannot accept difference in ideas.

[BroadstairsR 2,138]

As ever we have to trust in the scouting and the manager in these situations even though they sometimes get it wrong and usually because a certain player fails to become a good ''fit'' for whatever reason.

Overall the German input has been fairly successful. We might see an improved Franke next season and Sbreny might transform from an ugly duckling into a swan, but, these two apart, I am happy with the signings and wouldn''t object to us pursuing this avenue further.

Also, we should recoup most of our outlay on those who fall by the wayside.

[Rich T The Biscuit 562]

The thing with buying someone is that you never guaranteed success when you’re fishing in the ponds that we fish in, when you’re a big club and have more money to spend of course you can be more selective but even that doesn’t always end up working, take Morata at Chelsea as an example; and there have been many more examples.

There are so many things to take in to consideration for any transfer, RVW didn’t work for us, when you look at the league he was playing in, was it a similar league to the U.K., as in the football played, I think it’s clear it wasn’t so was he really suited to playing over here

Strangely enough I watch a lot of German football (on BT) but it’s only the Bundesliga so I can’t comment on anything below, however, the style of football would suit the championship, much more physical than the Spanish leagues or Portugal, or Italy or Holland.

The other aspect to consider is the style that the current manager wants to play, Salah didn’t excel at Chelsea, yet at Liverpool he’s world class.

[king canary 7,580]

There generally seems to be a feeling that at Championship level players from Eastern Europe or Scandanavia will flourish more due to being more used to the physicality. Of course there are always exceptions.

One of the reasons I felt Fer struggled with us was the fact he was used to playing the Dutch way- you''d see him receive the ball in tight spaces and immediately look to lay it off and his team mates were not ready for it or wanting to receive it so swiftly.

[Rich T The Biscuit 562]

Agree, probably the same with Vadis OO, he’s shown what he can do since he’s left and is probably now playing in a league more suited to the way he’s comfortable playing.

[Woodman 92]

Going back to Mike''s comment about spending the £20m received for Maddison (I''d be hoping for £25m+), we have a big loss of income to cover this summer. I said on the ''Next season'' post that the Maddison money will keep us ticking over, but any other sales would be what would be used to fund transfers in. Selling Klose, Oliveira, Murphy, Pinto, Watkins, Wildshut might raise us £12-15m to spend. The other costs to be incurred might be to mutually cancel Naismith, Martin, McGovern and Jarvis'' contracts.

[king canary 7,580]

@Woodman

The issue is we don''t know how big any shortfall is this season as we don''t know where the wage budget is. So if our turnover is £30m and our wage budget is £35m then we might be able to use a decent chunk of the £25m fee on new players. However if the budget is much higher then I don''t think we''ll see much go in.

I get the feeling Farke doesn''t want another squad overhaul so I''m assuming sales will be Maddison, the players out on loan we want to get rid of and maybe one or two more. I don''t see us selling 5 or 6 players who''ve been regulars this season if we can avoid it.

[Rich T The Biscuit 562]

Agree, there will be some obvious ones that the club want rid of, Naismith, Martin being 2, there will be squad players not needed like Wildschut, after that it will be Maddison money to add to the coffers for either loses of parachute payments or to reinvest.

I won’t be surprised to be Olive leave for a fee which will be reinvested in a replacement but I can’t see us adding anymore to the squad unless someone leaves.

Let’s not forget we have Morris and Godfrey returning from loan and will be around the first team squad, plus Jarvis returning (hopefully) and Thompson who will add to the squad.

There is also some ‘talent’ in the u23’s that could make a breakthrough.

[Mike 0]

[quote user="sonyc"]I was responding to BobLoz''s comments Mike (just after his post) and what has been talked about on various social media (FB being main source). And of course I get the point about he RVW experience. I also mentioned in an earlier post that I did have some (corroborating?) information about this lad as my son sees a lot of German league 1 and 2 matches and is very impressed we are linked to him, let alone made an approach.

I am sceptical. Again, if you read some social media folk (and unlike often here...a few posters excluded) there are sources given. It doesn''t appear this is dead yet. Depends I suppose on actual Bundesliga 1 interest materialising.

He is a tall lad, who has an all-round game. Like a few posters here I would love to see anyone with great attitude at our club. Someone like Maddison, or Zimermann for example. I like ''tryers'', people who give their all for the yellow and green. This bloke linked seems to fit that mould from what I''ve heard (first hand). I don''t bother to post on player rumours without some background (the other one was before we signed Snodgrass for example).[/quote]

Fair enough... I really hope he is a great player & we get him, just years of going have made me very "level headed" about these things, in that I only get excited if they actually do it on the pitch.

[Mike 0]

[quote user="Woodman"]Going back to Mike''s comment about spending the £20m received for Maddison (I''d be hoping for £25m+), we have a big loss of income to cover this summer. I said on the ''Next season'' post that the Maddison money will keep us ticking over, but any other sales would be what would be used to fund transfers in. Selling Klose, Oliveira, Murphy, Pinto, Watkins, Wildshut might raise us £12-15m to spend. The other costs to be incurred might be to mutually cancel Naismith, Martin, McGovern and Jarvis'' contracts.[/quote]

So can I ask what our great leaders plans would have been if Maddison had not had the season he has had? What about the year after?

Doesn''t seem that much of a great plan or transition

[Rich T The Biscuit 562]

The business plan is a logical business plan for running a business but not a great plan for fans, that’s working within the means of the company. At the end of the day the football club is a company and like all companies you don’t want to be trading with massive loses.

Therefore any money from Maddison will go towards that plan and it’s a valid question, what would they have done had Maddison not been the star of the show, I guess the answer to that won’t he known but would certainly have been centred around offloading anything you can get money for; which would have been limited.

[BobLoz3 492]

Let''s all also try to remember that we have heard VERY little about the Maddison transfer yet. Yes we expect him to go, but there are no concrete bids as far as I''m aware. I''m sure there''s plenty of interest, but that''s all it is at this stage.I do think it''s quite ridiculous that we''re pinning all of our transfer hopes on his sale. Quite a sad indictment of where we are now hey? But it seems as though it has to be done and it''s been discussed until the cows come home! Right now, as I have said elsewhere, none of us really know what''s going to happen.