Move Klose 303 Posted June 9, 2018 Would we all take another season like this one knowing next summer we will probably have a much better scope to work with with big earners out of contract in the summer of 2019McGovernKloseMartinPintoWildschutJarvisNaismithThat''s probably at least £200k a week there. So nearly £10m in wages. And from that list only 2 of those players are anywhere near a starter for us.Give Webber & Farke a blank canvas like that and they will be better judged from then on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,453 Posted June 9, 2018 AhahahahaHere we go again. Expectations dampened down and its not even pre season yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,515 Posted June 9, 2018 Next season will be different imo. If we sell Josh Murphy and Oliveira, which is likely (Brighton and Fulham showing interest in Josh, allegedly) it will help the wage situation by using money from their sales to help the wage bill, plus we will probably move on at least three of your list and some of the others out on loan, so the wage bill will not be so problematic. Most of the old squad will have gone and new players will be in to make up a squad that Webber and Farke will think is what they need to get us playing how they want us to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BroadstairsR 2,093 Posted June 9, 2018 We''ve just had to be patient throughout a season of change and adjustment which has seen us effectively decline and attain merely a status of being in the lower half of the Championship table. We now have to endure a season of just consolidating this? No thanks. Consolidation suggests standing still in a scenario that is forever changing, with many other clubs in our league getting richer and more and more of them therefore aiming for the top prize, whilst we presumably are not.If we fanny around consolidating we will be left behind.I do not go in for this forever planning for the future, it seems never ending for a start. Realistically or not, I want it now and would hope that Dan the Dude and his players are of like mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,453 Posted June 9, 2018 And I''m sure after those players leave and maybe a couple of others are sold it''ll be ''well we''ve had to sign 6-7 new players, so we need to give them time to bed in, maybe next season....'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted June 9, 2018 I don''t think it is a case of ''consolidation'' as those relented from the PL have shown. The season before does not determine your place on the ''starting grid'' that season. And you can''t simply tread water.Having players on three year PL contracts with only two years of parachute payments was always going to be a problemSo far we seemed to have coped. The squad doesn''t appear to have been patched up with players with barely a sensor two left in them, helping us just to stay afloat.We''ll be busting a gut for promotion Whether the squad will be up to it we will have to see. Likewise we will have to see who pushes on as did Lewis. Who came from nowhere ... Trybull, Vrancic and to a degree Hanley to establish themselves.However your point about the last of the high wage earners being gone by 2019 is very significant. There will also be a few more youngsters able to step up to join whoever the wages are then used on.Looking good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,655 Posted June 9, 2018 Summer 2019 will be 5th transfer window under this '' transition '' and apart from the list provided what will happen to the failures Webber and Farke have brought to the club namely Husband,Franke,Watkins,Steipermann and dare i mention him Srbeny ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,655 Posted June 9, 2018 And the longer his non appearances go on Raggett is also looking an ill fit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,515 Posted June 9, 2018 [quote user="TIL 1010"]Summer 2019 will be 5th transfer window under this '' transition '' and apart from the list provided what will happen to the failures Webber and Farke have brought to the club namely Husband,Franke,Watkins,Steipermann and dare i mention him Srbeny ?[/quote]Stiepermann is not a failure. Fitted in well at left back when needed to, a good physical presence when played further forward, has a good left foot, but was injured for quite a while. Fully fit and on form he is a very useful player. As for Srbeny - give him a chance! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted June 9, 2018 Err, we are in a position of looking to develop players. So to claim that a player is a failure so early on is silly.... even by your standards. As to Watkins I would suggest a deal may well have been agreed before Webber. As Buenos Aires was agreed last Jan.Maybe take your cue from the ......ing Policeman. Cheer up and stop endlessly moaning.We''re ok Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big O 225 Posted June 9, 2018 I understand the OP’s point regarding the financial constraints but I would expect a season of progression this year.There should be less change (accepting there will be some) but the team outline and structure should be settled and I would expect us to be competitive. I want to see a together team, playing higher tempo football and busting a gut. If that takes us to the outskirts of the play-offs this year then I think that’s a reasonable return. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,655 Posted June 9, 2018 My mind is made up on Srbeny thanks Lakey and he has had since January to prove my original judgement wrong so how long should he be given in your eyes as 4 months was obviously not enough ?The OP talks of players leaving at the end of their contracts in May 2019 which as i said extends this '' transition '' period to 5 transfer windows which is a ridiculous amount of time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
River End Canary 18 Posted June 9, 2018 The consolidation is over we have been promised a promotion push they better deliver Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big O 225 Posted June 9, 2018 I think ridiculous is a bit too strong.Ultimately it depends on the size of the transition. We have effectively had to cut our wage bill from c£55m to what I assume will be around £15-20m max (at best), significantly lower the average age of the squad, revamp our scouting structure and make the whole model sustainable.That is a big ask to do in 2 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted June 9, 2018 Kingo, before they get dampened down, what are your expectations for the coming season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted June 9, 2018 [quote user="nutty nigel"]Kingo, before they get dampened down, what are your expectations for the coming season?[/quote] I don''t know about king''s expectations nutty, but this thread has already dampened mine for the coming season as far as the forum is concerned [:''(] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 628 Posted June 9, 2018 Unfortunately I think the OP has is about right. We need a major improvement to seriously challenge this season. Until the costs of those he mentions are gone then we are limited in what we can do to effect that improvement.Will be another year of mid table from where I''m sitting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,500 Posted June 9, 2018 @westcoastHaha, tell me about it.I think it''s fair to say we''re still going to have work to do on the wage budget unless we perform way, way above expectation and get Naismith etc out with very little outlay from ourselves.I''d expect to see us perform more consistently than last season but if peoples expectations are promotion then it''s a little unrealistic. It would be great to challenge for the play-offs, but that would potentially be ahead of schedule as far as Webber is concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,500 Posted June 9, 2018 [quote user="TIL 1010"]Summer 2019 will be 5th transfer window under this '' transition '' and apart from the list provided what will happen to the failures Webber and Farke have brought to the club namely Husband,Franke,Watkins,Steipermann and dare i mention him Srbeny ?[/quote]Also @tilEven by your standards that''s poor. Husband was only brought in as cover, Lewis was our first choice in pre-season. He''s had to play more than we would have thought and he''s not been great but he''s played at this level consistently before, isn''t old and wasn''t expensive.Watkins we appear to have turned down a £3m offer and they''re likely to come back in this summer - on a player we got on a free. Yep, terrible business. Stiepermann has shown his ability to be a utility player and cover multiple positions. I don''t see him in our starting 11 most weeks but believe it or not you don''t just sign starting 11 players when you''re making such big changes to a squad.Srbeny offered us no less than Oliveira did last season and at a fraction of the price. Again, no issue with him being cover; maybe he''ll end up as more than that. Again, we''re talking minute figures in comparison.So to conclude; better luck next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,070 Posted June 9, 2018 i think progress is a must this season two seasons is long enough for any Manager / Head Coach to show we are moving in the right direction if it is not working then we might as well go back to a Manager who stays 2 /3 seasons all this Webber buying players for a style of play so we just have to change the Head coach if needed and it will all stay the same is rubbish if the results are not there and the style of play does not work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted June 9, 2018 But of that list, only Klose is likely to be in the first team, and maybe Pinto, and as for the others they won''t be around, even if the half the Maddison money is taken up playing them with the U-23s.I don''t think the fans will accept a second season of consolidation, Webber''s going to be expected to deliver some quality attacking talent in this window. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,453 Posted June 9, 2018 @nuttySomecform of progress. Ie a reason to believe that the club is progressing in the right direction, in terms of looking better going forward on the pitch and looking more competitive in the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted June 9, 2018 @hogesarWires crossed I think hoggy. What I was meant was that, however much or little progress there may or may not be on the pitch, the opinions of some posters on this forum remain set in stone [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted June 9, 2018 [quote user="king canary"]@nuttySomecform of progress. Ie a reason to believe that the club is progressing in the right direction, in terms of looking better going forward on the pitch and looking more competitive in the league.[/quote]I can''t see anyone wanting to dampen down those expectations Kingo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,453 Posted June 9, 2018 Well I''ve already seen one claiming last season we were a success as we didn''t her relegated so you never know... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,453 Posted June 9, 2018 *get relegated.Too drunk to be on here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted June 9, 2018 To be fair Kingo there was progress in terms of looking better going forwards at Carrow Road in the second half of last season. Let''s hope that''s at least the starting point next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted June 10, 2018 [quote user="nutty nigel"]To be fair Kingo there was progress in terms of looking better going forwards at Carrow Road in the second half of last season. Let''s hope that''s at least the starting point next season.[/quote]But as Webber pointed out, it took real guts for Farke to establish Lewis as his first choice left back (he was hardly the safe option). Birmingham was a must win game, and he played Lewis. As for Maddison, he''s gone from nothing to £20 million player in a season, and in every interview he''s done, has been been quick to credit Farke as helping his development. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,351 Posted June 10, 2018 It was a shame Lewis was injured at the start of the season.The first half of the season the games at Carrow road were rubbish, our football was dull and uninspiring. But there was massive improvement in the second half. A lot of people didn''t seem to recognise it though. And as we saw in the later games just one negative pass in a game where we were on the front foot would result in a chorus of boos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
westcoastcanary 173 Posted June 10, 2018 [quote user="nutty nigel"]It was a shame Lewis was injured at the start of the season.The first half of the season the games at Carrow road were rubbish, our football was dull and uninspiring. But there was massive improvement in the second half. A lot of people didn''t seem to recognise it though. And as we saw in the later games just one negative pass in a game where we were on the front foot would result in a chorus of boos.[/quote]Brings to mind Parma''s warning that it would be easier to get the new style accepted by the players than by the fans! It isn''t just the club that needs "to get with the times" (the phrase Iceland''s Arnasson used in connection with British football more generally: ""It''s just the way football is played; they need to get with the times," he said. "They need to pass more and try to keep the ball.") Share this post Link to post Share on other sites