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Eisa, Reed and Henderson please

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Now we have Buendia & Leitner signed, I would want to see us secure Reed and maybe Henderson challenging as number 1 to Matthews but also a proven goal scorer from a lower league. Eisa fits the bill for me. We then need at least another striker.

Thought it was worth trying a positive thread given Maddison may also be announced as leaving in next 2/3 weeks once bidding wars take hold.

Any thoughts on your top 3?

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If Maddison goes I''d really like to see us take some of that money and go for Marriott from Posh.

Second, I''ve always been a big fan of Tomas Kalas who spent last season on loan at Fulham- maybe we could get a similar deal?

I''ve mentioned Oliver McBurnie on another thread so I''ll go with him again- big, strong striker who has shown he knows where the goal is at this level.

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He was linked with Leeds last week so you never know. They might even be open to selling if they don''t fancy him for whatever reason.

Who are your three?

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Kalas is about to sign for Fulham on a permanent deal, they have an option in is loan but are trying to negotiate it down. Ultimately he’ll most likely end up there.

Never seen Marriott play so can’t comment of his quality, but it seems he is off to Bristol City as they are selling Bobby Reid. Marriott’s fee is supposedly in excess of £4.5m, so a big gamble for anyone.

I reckon Swansea will look to keep McBurnie with them next season.

If Ducksch’s transfer to Fortuna is as dead as being reported I’d like to see him at Norwich.

Ultimately the club need some home grown players and I don’t really follow anything below the Championship so not sure who is good or good value. So can’t really make decent suggestions beyond that.

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Crush my dreams why don''t you Bethnal.

Surprised Kalas is moving there permanently as he wasn''t starting week in week out at Championship level but there you go.

Bit gutting that Bristol City seem better equipped to pluck players from League One than us,

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Reed is universally appreciated and wanted back it seems, no contest then.

I am not sure about Henderson in as much as I would like to see Remi promoted to the front line at last.

Admittedly few of us have ever seen him in action, but all the reports are positive and he does little to evoke negativity.

It''s a bit of a risk, not financially though, as promoting our own will usually be but is one that surely needs taking sooner rather than later, imo.

Henderson seems highly rated and sought after but will be expensive. Part of the reasons for young Gunn''s success stemmed from his obvious connections with our club. Henderson will have no such incentive and could become a loan too far.

Will the perceived difference in their relative abilities, gleaned mainly from one being a Man. U. youngster and the other merely from the NCFC youth ranks, justify the financial hit?

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My top three in no particular order:

Eddie Nketiah (loan) - could be a cheap option for what would be a good striker IMO at this level, wanting to prove himself to step up season after next for Arsenal. They wont need him as have Lacazette, Aubamayang and Welbeck.

Jack Marriott - We need strikers. I would get rid of Nelson, Srbeny doesn''t look up to it (hopefully prove me wrong with a full pre season). This blokes bangs them in for fun. All out break the bank for him IMO.

Moritz Leitner - Haven''t signed him yet so would be in my top three. Knows the club, adapted to the league. would do well in the number 10 role to replace Maddison and I dont think would cost more than a mil to sign him up.

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[quote user="BroadstairsR"]Reed is universally appreciated and wanted back it seems, no contest then.

I am not sure about Henderson in as much as I would like to see Remi promoted to the front line at last.

Admittedly few of us have ever seen him in action, but all the reports are positive and he does little to evoke negativity.

It''s a bit of a risk, not financially though, as promoting our own will usually be but is one that surely needs taking sooner rather than later, imo.

Henderson seems highly rated and sought after but will be expensive. Part of the reasons for young Gunn''s success stemmed from his obvious connections with our club. Henderson will have no such incentive and could become a loan too far.

Will the perceived difference in their relative abilities, gleaned mainly from one being a Man. U. youngster and the other merely from the NCFC youth ranks, justify the financial hit?[/quote]

As Bethnal says, big gamble of £4.5m on a player from league one and a Luton supporting mate didn''t rate him at all when he was theirs, and that was in league two.

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Aforementioned Eisa is one.

I wouldnt mind Ola Aina from Chelsea as a right back - did well at Hull last season and may be open for a further loan . As adds home grown cover.

Another striker is harder and depends upon available cash - Marriot or Marcus Maddison will cost, while the likes of McNulty of Coventry (& Eisa) are relatively untested for a step up in class - which may mean Ducksch is a good option.

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Why all this fuss about resigning Reed - sure he has a ''great attitude'' and is ''versatile'' but that ought to be a pre-requisite for any professional footballer surely?

The boy is neat and tidy but what else? We have a sack full of these ''neat and tidy'' characters already in midfield with precious little end product. If Farke gets Reed then both Godfrey and Thompson have zero chance of breaking into the first team so that''s another two ''youngsters'' who would be turfed out.

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Because he''s a far better right back than Pinto who we could then let go. Improve the squad, get in a transfer fee and saving on wages.

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How can you assume that Godfrey and Thompson have zero chance just because we might go for Reed.

I would bring Reed back because he proved his versatility by playing both at RB for Pinto and in midfield, but more importantly, he had a full season in the championship; which neither Godfrey or Thompson did.

If neither of them are loaned out then I can see both of them getting a chance next season.

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lincsy88...Leitner would cost much more than a million, id think around 4-5 mill, im sure City are or will try to bring him back, but ultimately think his price tag would be to much in our present climate, unless they can maybe persuade Augsburg to let him go for 2 n half to 3, then City may just just get him.
As for strikers, depends on Farke''s thoughts. There are a few older heads in the Prem like Shane Long, who could come in on loan for a season, but of course would command a moderate sized fee for their services. Farke could and would likely prefer younger models, i think talk of Jordan Rhodes types, even at a lower price than a year ago, will still be outside our budget to actually buy. Its going to be a challenge for Webber and DF, but i  can see a home grown loan of some sort and another Srbeny type from abroad, who thou is anyones guess.

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[quote user="hampton canary"]How can you assume that Godfrey and Thompson have zero chance just because we might go for Reed.

I would bring Reed back because he proved his versatility by playing both at RB for Pinto and in midfield, but more importantly, he had a full season in the championship; which neither Godfrey or Thompson did.

If neither of them are loaned out then I can see both of them getting a chance next season.[/quote]

Because Reed is NOT a ''right back''. Agreed he did a decent enough job when called upon but that was it. If he plays there regularly he will be exposed for lack of height in defensive situations. If he plays as a defensive midfielder that means we have three ''seniors'' on the first team books - Reed, Trybull and Tetty. Godfrey and Thompson would come trailing in third and fourth respectively and Farke would sell / loan out (again!).

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Leitner wouldn’t be that expensive. Augsburg signed him for €2m and they don’t fancy him and are looking to sell. Wages might be an issue as he is on a long contract but the Bundesliga clubs don’t pay massive amounts - might still be a little out of Norwich’s current budget though.

What plays into Webber’s hands though is the fact that not many clubs will be particularly interested in him as he hasn’t featured much for his last few clubs. It is only Farke knowing him from Dortmund that brought him to Norwich. Augsburg might just be happy getting his wages off their books - it really depends on what he is currently getting and their situation.

I think him being at Norwich next season is far more likely than him not.

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[quote user="Hairy Canary"]Because he''s a far better right back than Pinto who we could then let go. Improve the squad, get in a transfer fee and saving on wages.[/quote]

You really think he''s ''far better right back'' do you!!

Beg to disagree on that one. Certainly going forward there is zero contest with Pinto being vastly superior. Defensively similar but Reed is too short to compete adequately in aerial contests. Of course if all ''The Project'' is interested in is saving money then your argument has some validity in that respect..

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I would like Marriott , even at a cost of 4 m... proven goalscorer ... which we need...

I would like Remi to get a chance in goal , but that doesn''t mean we don''t need cover.

Let''s get Leitner in ...

On the Reed comments ... I don''t think we''ll get him signed up as a RB , although he did well as a replacement . If we can keep him good , but the key signings will be the strikers

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I''m certainly not alone in thinking Reed is a better Right Back than Pinto for all your incredulity. Certainly DF chose him there more often than not towards the end of the season when both were available.

Fair point that Pinto is better going forward but I like my full backs to be able to stop centers coming in on the odd occasion. I genuinely don''t think I''ve seen many defenders stand off his man and let him center the ball in as easily as Pinto does. As for pointing out Reed''s inability to head the ball, well that is a bit ironic considering that is Pinto''s main weakness. At least Reed makes it awkward for the attacker by putting himself in the way!

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You do tend to contradict yourself in saying that he did a decent enough job, but is not a right back. You don''t necessarily have to be tall to be a right back. There are numerous players who end up playing in a different position to where they started. Luke Young at Man Utd was an out and out winger and is now first choice left back. Dublin was a centre forward and then a centre half.

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[quote user="hampton canary"]You do tend to contradict yourself in saying that he did a decent enough job, but is not a right back. You don''t necessarily have to be tall to be a right back. There are numerous players who end up playing in a different position to where they started. Luke Young at Man Utd was an out and out winger and is now first choice left back. Dublin was a centre forward and then a centre half.[/quote]

I''m not contradicting myself at all Hampton. Just because a player did a ''decent enough job'' does not mean that position is the players best role. If Reed was a full back he would have played that position for Saints and we would have played him as such. A relevant example is Robbie Brady. Neil used to like to tinker with him and put him at left back quite often presumably on the basis that he got forward well and had a quality left foot. Defensively he got caught out on more than one occasion when he was completely unaware of his opponent and was ball watching. I do agree, though, that some players can fully adapt to a different position during their career. I don''t think Reed is in that category however.

My worry about all this is that Farke / Webber may well see this as a ''cheap'' option i.e. flog off Pinto, save some wages and draft in someone who as I put it ''can do a job''.

If Reed plays right back long term he will get exposed by teams who launch aerial stuff in his direction.

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But you haven''t addressed the fact that Pinto is poor in the air!

DF wasn''t saving wages when he preferred Reed to Pinto. He simply concluded that he was the better full back. I think he''s right.

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I have to agree with you hairy as I always thought Pinto was a liability at RB and very poor in the air.

I assume you saw a lot of Reed last season yellowrider, but I seem to remember he won quite a few of his aerial duels against taller players by getting his timing right when jumping for the ball.

Based on what I saw last season I would play Reed before Pinto at RB.

The first time I watched Godfrey he was playing RB so he could be another option for Farke.

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Statistically Reed wins more in the air (0.8 aerial duels) than Pinto (0.5).

Reeds passing is also better, and got 3 assists over pintos 1.

Pinto is quicker at full pace but delivery is generally poor. Reed is a better all round player but won''t scare the opposition in the same way pinto can.

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Reed is far superior as a defender, and I''m not sure there''s much in it going forward either.

Running fast and showing "passion" shouldn''t compensate for a poor final ball or getting caught out of position.

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I don''t you can make a fair statistical comparison of the two based on the fact that Reed played a good chunk of his games in a different position.

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[quote user="king canary"]I don''t you can make a fair statistical comparison of the two based on the fact that Reed played a good chunk of his games in a different position.[/quote]
I think you can when you consider Reed''s other position has been a holding midfielder. Thus most aerial battles are against other central midfielders. At right back you''re generally up against an opposition winger. I don''t need stats to tell me that typically wingers aren''t the tallest players on the pitch yet there is quite often a taller central midfielder for the opposition. Either way, the stats do give you a rough idea. It doesn''t require a genius to take the position into account but still draw a fair conclusion from it.

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