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[nutty nigel 7,509]

We''ll try and understand it like I have to do with your nonsense Kingo.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

The decision to sell obviously wouldn’t be taken personally by Delia but if it happened then obviously it (like nearly all our sales in the last 2 years) could be traced back to the dreadful decisions that have seen us not challenge for promotion and of course our ownership’s lack of resources.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

[quote user="nutty nigel"]If the buck stops at the top over this issue then it does over every issue. If the buck stops at the top this season then it does every season. Our club has pretty much performed to it''s potential over Smith & Jones stewardship. Yes there''s some clubs done better but there''s also some done worse. The criticism of the owners has in the main been about what those critics believe will happen rather than what has happened. Which is why those critics cling so dearly to that one season in League One. When it doesn''t turn out as they expect those critics credit luck or the people the owners employ.

As I said earlier in the thread. Smith & Jones have steered the club safely through the most difficult years the English football league system has ever known.

Now this is my opinion. It''s as valid as anyone else''s. If it generates a response please let it be relevant to my opinion and not about sticks and binners...[/quote]

Absolutely your oppinion is as valid as anyone else’s nutty. I would also admit that yes many of the concerns of the critics are over what may happen over the next few years now the sky money has run out so yes they are fears over what “might happen” rather than what has happened.

However I also think that during their time we have had two or three major opportunities to really kick on and take advantage of our premier league status and on each occasion we have failed to take them due to some dreadful decision making and not only that we have come out of those situations with absolutely nothing to show for it to the extent we’ve had to basically get fans to pay for the training ground improvements (have a look at what Leicester are doing re their training ground btw).

I have never said they are terrible owners but they’ve squandered so many opportunities and I really disagree with their stance over handing the club to Nephew Tom and not considering any alternatives.

[hogesar 9,615]

[quote user="Jim Smith"]The decision to sell obviously wouldn’t be taken personally by Delia but if it happened then obviously it (like nearly all our sales in the last 2 years) could be traced back to the dreadful decisions that have seen us not challenge for promotion and of course our ownership’s lack of resources.[/quote]

Kind of exactly my point. You can harp back to a previous mistake in every single Owner / CEO / Director in every single company / organisation / football club if you like. But what''s the point?

"What''s the point" is especially relevant in our case because we have a small section of support who are determined on here, and on the Facebook groups, to find every opportunity to direct criticism at our board. But none of them can be bothered to do anything to force them out. The fact you can, if you want, trace decisions back and forth to find a problem is no different to tracing decisions back and forth to find a positive. The decision to appoint Bowkett, McNally, Lambert, Alex Neil, Worthington, Hughton even...

[JF 694]

hogesar wrote the following post at 29/06/2018 1:28 PM:

Jim Smith wrote:

The decision to sell obviously wouldn’t be taken personally by Delia but if it happened then obviously it (like nearly all our sales in the last 2 years) could be traced back to the dreadful decisions that have seen us not challenge for promotion and of course our ownership’s lack of resources.

Kind of exactly my point. You can harp back to a previous mistake in every single Owner / CEO / Director in every single company / organisation / football club if you like. But what''s the point?

"What''s the point" is especially relevant in our case because we have a small section of support who are determined on here, and on the Facebook groups, to find every opportunity to direct criticism at our board. But none of them can be bothered to do anything to force them out. The fact you can, if you want, trace decisions back and forth to find a problem is no different to tracing decisions back and forth to find a positive. The decision to appoint Bowkett, McNally, Lambert, Alex Neil, Worthington, Hughton even...

3 pages later and I’m still awaiting your response to where it was said that us not reaching league cup finals is now a ‘stick’ to beat the club with....??

[hogesar 9,615]

[quote user="JF"]hogesar wrote the following post at 29/06/2018 1:28 PM:

Jim Smith wrote:

The decision to sell obviously wouldn’t be taken personally by Delia but if it happened then obviously it (like nearly all our sales in the last 2 years) could be traced back to the dreadful decisions that have seen us not challenge for promotion and of course our ownership’s lack of resources.

Kind of exactly my point. You can harp back to a previous mistake in every single Owner / CEO / Director in every single company / organisation / football club if you like. But what''s the point?

"What''s the point" is especially relevant in our case because we have a small section of support who are determined on here, and on the Facebook groups, to find every opportunity to direct criticism at our board. But none of them can be bothered to do anything to force them out. The fact you can, if you want, trace decisions back and forth to find a problem is no different to tracing decisions back and forth to find a positive. The decision to appoint Bowkett, McNally, Lambert, Alex Neil, Worthington, Hughton even...

3 pages later and I’m still awaiting your response to where it was said that us not reaching league cup finals is now a ‘stick’ to beat the club with....??[/quote]

What response would you like? A picture? I''ve not even seen your post, sorry.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

@hogesar

What can we do to force them out? Contrary to their public pledge never to allow anyone to acquire a majority share they have a majority share so there is nothing anyone can do. Our fans are currently too docile/brainwashes/nice to turn on Delia in the numbers required although that may change if things go badly in the next few years.

When Tom takes over however it will be a different matter. He will have zero credit in the bank with the fans and I could se fans turning on him very quickly.

[ROBFLECK 132]

That''s my opinion too , Jim ... no one can deny that the opportunities were there! The nephew Tom thing was to be expected ... the question is "are there any alternatives?" ...is there an investor that really wants to buy the club or invest in the club? A discussion we have had in many threads on this forum...

I feel we have missed out on a longer period of Premier League football at CR. Wise investment would have given us a good chance of accomplishing this. I am not saying it would have happened (one has to be carefull).

We should be challenging at the top end of the Championship at the very least , and that''s not going to happen imo. Don''t want to sound too pessimistic, but I feel this is a reality

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Jim Smith"]Our fans are currently too docile/brainwashes/nice to turn on Delia in the numbers required.....[/quote]

That''s because they have no leader Jim. There''s no-one around with the guts to stand up and organise them in the way Roy Blower, Tilly and Co. did with NCISA and the ''Chase out'' campaign.

Snowflakes all of you......

[cornish sam 942]

My twopenneth:

Of all the clubs with rich owners how many of them actually have the best interests of the club at heart? In my opjnion Most of them want their club to be successful to bring success to their brand or investment, there are some notable examples, like Bloom, but the majority don''t really care about the club or locality, they just want a premiership club in their portfolio. Personally I am happy to accept a slightly lower standing to have a club that I feel reflects my values, others obviously aren''t, but are they objecting because they want to be an unsustainable whim or because they would like to bask in the reflected glory of supporting a ''successful'' club?

To bring it back to the OP, 10m? Don''t believe it, but would take it. Yes its good to have young talent but at that level cash in and reinvest, he could have a stinking 12 months. Also it''s nice to ha e this kind of link compared to the lot Down the road who have just lost "the best player the youth coach has ever seen" to man city for 1m. The benefits of a cat 1 academy...

[Midlands Yellow 3,924]

If there was a vote at the first home match of the season on Delia’s strewardship which way do you think it would go ? A simple sell or stay with the result declared at halftime. My guess is a good 60% would would opt for the former as I don’t think the majority of fans agree with a lot of members on here .

Norwich are not a small club but do have a small club mentality that likes to keep it safe. Times have changed and I wish the running of this club would too .

[Highland Canary 76]

The clapping sentiment evident in this board is entirely consistent with that of our crowd. I suspect 90% or more ate entirely content with direction of travel of the football club.

[hogesar 9,615]

[quote user="Highland Canary"]The clapping sentiment evident in this board is entirely consistent with that of our crowd. I suspect 90% or more ate entirely content with direction of travel of the football club.[/quote]

[:)]

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

[quote user="Midlands Yellow"]If there was a vote at the first home match of the season on Delia’s strewardship which way do you think it would go ? A simple sell or stay with the result declared at halftime. My guess is a good 60% would would opt for the former as I don’t think the majority of fans agree with a lot of members on here .

Norwich are not a small club but do have a small club mentality that likes to keep it safe. Times have changed and I wish the running of this club would too .[/quote]

I suspect 99 per cent would say Stay until you told them who was buying and what their offer was. But I think your 60 per cent is quite delusional. Generally speaking it is the angry brigade, no matter what the issue, that dominates the internet, giving an unrepresentative impression of the views of the public overall. I doubt that is any different with the views of fans on Smith and Jones.

You should ask yourself why, unlike with Chase, there has never been an anti-Smith and Jones campaign/movement. It cannot be because Norwich City fans are too accepting, since they certainly were not with Chase. And unlike then the internet makes it very simple to contact fans all over the world if need be and get organised.

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="Midlands Yellow"]If there was a vote at the first home match of the season on Delia’s strewardship which way do you think it would go ? A simple sell or stay with the result declared at halftime. My guess is a good 60% would would opt for the former as I don’t think the majority of fans agree with a lot of members on here .

Norwich are not a small club but do have a small club mentality that likes to keep it safe. Times have changed and I wish the running of this club would too .[/quote]

I would say the opposite. It''s quite clear what the vast majority of shareholders think. Or are they all docile too. How would you be casting your vote?

[JF 694]

The pink un vote came out in favour of change. But as that doesn’t suit the argument we will sweep that under the carpet and disregard it...

[nutty nigel 7,509]

Well of course if you really believe that vote is representative JF then your case is flimsy to say the least.

[JF 694]

Why? It was a poll asked on the most popular Norwich city forum used by fans and the majority voted for change. Like I said it doesn’t sit well by some so it will be disregarded

[nutty nigel 7,509]

Because anyone can vote any number of times. The picture I posted is representative of fans. As is reactions in the stadium. As is Shareholders AGMs. Surely you''d agree all three are actually the views of Norwich city fans. You are doing a disservice to the fans who want change by giving more credence to a ridiculous poll. But then if it''s all you''ve got....

[JF 694]

I believe there were quite load Delia out chants last season? Like I said it doesn’t suit so is disregarded

[nutty nigel 7,509]

I didn''t hear any Delia out chants last season. I did hear a few sack the board chants and the like. What percentage of the fans did you hear chanting?

I heard much more anti-Delia stuff in 2009. But then, strangely, it stopped for 8 years.

Look at the picture JF. That''s what it''s like when the majority want change. But even then there were a sizeable minority didn''t.

[Big Vince 318]

If you don''t want the Suffolk Socialists out by now then you must by definition be an enemy of the club because it is a sure thing they put themselves well before the club.

[JF 694]

Different times, internet polls are where it’s at now👍🏻

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="Big Vince"]If you don''t want the Suffolk Socialists out by now then you must by definition be an enemy of the club because it is a sure thing they put themselves well before the club.[/quote]

Define enemy of the club Vinny boy?

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[quote user="JF"]Different times, internet polls are where it’s at now👍🏻[/quote]

How convenient. No need to support the club, buy tickets or go to games. As long as you can use social media you can have your say. Will it catch on?

[nutty nigel 7,509]

[Big Vince 318]

"Enemy of the club"

Definition: "person who supports a deliberate strategy of making the club uncompetitive on and off the field of play".

[Jim Smith 2,314]

For whatever reason Delia and MWJ have always had a pretty easy ride, especially from the shareholders who are a fairly conservative bunch not prone to protest or violent uprising!

I agree that if you ask whether people wanted them out at any costs/regardless of who the new owner was then you would be unlikely to find a significant body of fans.

If, however, you asked people whether they should look to find new owners and sell if someone reasonably trustworthy looking emerges willing to buy the club with greater wealth, rather than hand the club to Nephew Tom, then i think you would get a very different result.

[nutty nigel 7,509]

keyboard warrior

noun

informal

1. a person who makes abusive or aggressive posts on the Internet, typically one who conceals their true identity.

[JF 694]

nutty nigel wrote the following post at 29/06/2018 4:24 PM:

JF wrote:

Different times, internet polls are where it’s at now👍🏻

How convenient. No need to support the club, buy tickets or go to games. As long as you can use social media you can have your say. Will it catch on?

Don’t like it myself but you can’t stand in the way of progress and change 👍🏻