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Bournemouth & Watford ' Allegedly ' Sniffing Around Jamal Lewis.

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So in order to be good custodians of our club the owners have to repeat the very best that a very few other clubs have done. That is one heck of a one-eyed view.

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Also the fact weve not been in a league cup final in recent years is the new stick, shows how desperate some are going to try and villify the current board. Or the past board. Or just Delia? God knows, i lose track.

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Ah yes i had totally forgot thread this thread was about a rumour concerning Jamal Lewis,Bournemouth and Watford what with posters claiming it was a stick ( totally lost track of the number of times i have read the word stick ) to beat the club with. It is almost as if some posters have an agenda with people who do not sing from their hymn sheet and sit there waiting to jump in.

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hogesar wrote the following post at 28/06/2018 10:19 PM:

Also the fact weve not been in a league cup final in recent years is the new stick, shows how desperate some are going to try and villify the current board. Or the past board. Or just Delia? God knows, i lose track.

Where has this been said? Now you’re just making shit up. All that has been said is facts about what those clubs have achieved in the last two decades in response to the comment that those clubs would “kill” for the last two decades we’ve had

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I think the sticks came later.
If we sell Jamal it could be a stick
If we keep him and have a player from our academy worth 10m rather than be a stick surely it would be a great credit to all involved.

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And you can stick your fucking stick up you’re arse. You’re not the fucking forum police

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Lol. And your not you’re! Bloody phones again!

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[quote user="JF"]hogesar wrote the following post at 28/06/2018 10:19 PM:

Also the fact weve not been in a league cup final in recent years is the new stick, shows how desperate some are going to try and villify the current board. Or the past board. Or just Delia? God knows, i lose track.

Where has this been said? Now you’re just making shit up. All that has been said is facts about what those clubs have achieved in the last two decades in response to the comment that those clubs would “kill” for the last two decades we’ve had[/quote]
This with bells on JF. [Y]

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Being unhappy about the prospect of us selling one of our young up and comers is only a stick to beat the club with if you''re one of those who can''t seperate ''club'' and ''owners.''

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Great credit to the owners though if they hold on to him. And well done to those owners for identifying him, getting him in and progressing him to be an international footballer.

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The argument that any failure is due to our owners and any success is in spite of them makes no sense to me Kingo.

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[quote user="Making Plans"]
It might be a rumour, it might just be paper talk, there might not be nothing in it, everybody hopes that it won''t happen but everybody knows that it would be foolish to rule it out.
After all, it''s what we do, isn''t it?
[/quote]

No it’s what every club does until you finish at the final stop of Barca, Real or maybe PSG. It is a chain that goes from the top to the bottom ie Mahrez goes Man City 75m replaced by Maddison 24m who some on here will say is as good.

There will be many left backs at top team academies who only sell for 1m but will be as good as Jamal but are never given the chance to play at their home club. You must appreciate young player brought through - young player is good - young player offered millions - young player is not going to say I am staying here.

10m is 5 years worth of academy cost so if our academy is now that good think how many Jamal Lewis’s we will develop over 5 years. When this was Southampton everyone was saying our academy is s*** and Southampton amazing - have those people changed their minds now ?

Selling Jamal Lewis for £10m is surely success by the club and not failure as in investing in the Academy is proving to be a success not a failure.

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Success in football is only measured on the pitch. There will be no open bus parades to celebrate to selling of a talented player for profit, will there? In twenty years time no one will reminisce about that time we sold over £50 million worth of talent. The only thing that matters is the club playing it’s football at the highest standard possible. Selling star players and buying cheaper replacements will likely lead to mediocrity

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@Nutty

But that isn''t the argument is it? By your logic that they deserve credit for identifying and developing Lewis, they also deserve stick for Franke and Watkins not playing well. Both would be ridiculous as they aren''t responsible for scouting or developing players.

What they are responsible for is the overall business strategy and the financial situation of the club and it is this that has created the environment that has seen all of our best young players sold. So saying that being disappointed in these sales or potential sales is ''a stick to beat the club with'' is incorrect unless you''re a fan of Delia Smith and Michael Wynn-Jones over being a fan of Norwich City.

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king canary wrote the following post at 29/06/2018 8:02 AM:

@Nutty

But that isn''t the argument is it? By your logic that they deserve credit for identifying and developing Lewis, they also deserve stick for Franke and Watkins not playing well. Both would be ridiculous as they aren''t responsible for scouting or developing players.

What they are responsible for is the overall business strategy and the financial situation of the club and it is this that has created the environment that has seen all of our best young players sold. So saying that being disappointed in these sales or potential sales is ''a stick to beat the club with'' is incorrect unless you''re a fan of Delia Smith and Michael Wynn-Jones over being a fan of Norwich City.

There are many on this site that can’t differentiate between the Club and the owners. According to them being critical of the owners is being critical of the club and apparently makes you a ‘binner’

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The side that got double promotions from League 1 to the Prem (and then stayed there) wasn''t full of ''star'' players who''d cost big money, it was full of ''cheap'' players that Lambert instilled the right attitude and teamwork into that made them a success, in fact you could argue that it was when we starting spending big money again that it all went wrong.
Nobody had even thought of Lewis starting until Farke came in, saw something he liked and gave him the chance, if we''d still had Alex Neil, Lewis would have been nowhere near the first team and could have ended up being sold on for peanuts (or even released) instead.
I''ll say it again, outside of the top sides, ALL clubs will sell their best players if the money is right and will almost always replace then with a cheaper alternative, it''s how football works. Nobody is sat there cheering that we''ve sold our best player from last season, as well as a good youngster in Murphy (although we did shift on Watkins), but it wouldn''t have been any different if we were in the lower half of the prem and the likes of Man City, Chelsea or Spurs came calling for the same players, they''d have still been sold IF the money was right (and because player power is crazy these days).
Is anyone clamouring for Lewis to be sold - no, but those of use with pragmatic view and who see the system for how it is realise that the suggested amount represents an extremely high value on a player with so little playing time and who was undoubtedly good - but not great last season, and it would give us the option to replace for a player of similar current ability for a lower price whilst providing additional funds towards either other new signings, or to pump into things like the academy to develop the next round of Lewis, Murphy, Maddison etc.

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I guess that logic though must explain Sunderland’s poor attendances. All those Newcastle fans that want Ashley out must be Sunderland fans...

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but it wouldn''t have been any different if we were in the lower half of the prem and the likes of Man City, Chelsea or Spurs came calling for the same players, they''d have still been sold IF the money was right (and because player power is crazy these days).

It would be VERY different because we would be a PL team still playing at the highest level possible. Selling star players at this level and replacing with lesser players makes that goal far, far harder to achieve. Selling at PL level for large sums makes it easier to replace with the next big talent because you have the finances and stature of PL football to attract them to the club. An emerging young talent will never sign for a championship club over PL interest

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@indy

But at some point there has to be a line drawn doesn''t there? We''ve sold about £50m worth of players since January, would an extra £10m actually help? Or would giving Lewis another season to develop actually increase the chance of getting more money for him next summer? Does needing to add another left back really help with our chances on the pitch?

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Success or failure this forthcoming season?......Either way, come next May (or maybe possibly earlier) some fanfolk will be smugly stating......"See we told you so, ''O ye, of little faith''".....

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[quote user="king canary"]@indy

But at some point there has to be a line drawn doesn''t there?
We''ve sold about £50m worth of players since January, would an extra £10m actually help? Or would giving Lewis another season to develop actually increase the chance of getting more money for him next summer?
Does needing to add another left back really help with our chances on the pitch?[/quote]Actually, I don''t think there is a line for clubs at our level and below King (as much as I hate to say it), as the only clubs that won''t sell a player under these sort of circumstances are clubs that are already so cash rich that it matters very little and they can afford to keep 20-30mil players sat on the bench or even in the reserves if they so choose. The other clubs can''t afford to turn down such high offers and potentially risk a players head being turned at the same time and them never really putting 100% in again until the move happens.
Thinking about your question of whether or not another 10mil would actually help depends entirely on who it may or may not potentially enable us to bring in to benefit the side as a whole. I think most of us would agree that at the minute, our main need as a team is a quality striker, and we also all know that these players carry the highest premium and the biggest wage demands, so if the extra 10mil enabled us to bring in a decent LB AND a better striker, rather than if we kept the player and used what we had already for a decent striker then I''d say absolutely it''s worth it looking at the overall balance of what we need as a team, if it''s not going to enable us to make that jump from decent/good to high quality, then it becomes far more debateable and instead turns into a business choice rather than a team choice.
It''s also a huge guessing game with young players, some show early promise and fail to live up to it, some develop at a much slower rate than expected, some burst onto the scene and stay at a high level, and some show all the ability and promise in the world but suffer a bad injury and are never the same again, so it''s absolutely possible that Lewis could stay and become a 15-20mil player, or he could fail to improve and we''d be lucky to get close to the 10mil that''s being suggested, or he could even flop or get injured badly next year and we get nothing or next to nothing for him, it''s all a gamble in one way or another.
To clarify, I''m really not hoping that we sell Lewis, I think he has got great potential and would rather see him stay here, but at the same time, if that sort of offer came in, I''d fully expect and support the club''s decision to sell (if they indeed chose to) as long as the money was being put back into the playing side rather than as some sort of buffer for finances over the next year or so.

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It''s been a very long time since the fans have been so divided and the blame for this has to lie at the feet of Webber and the evil stowmarket 2

Delia out stinking rich Arab owner in

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